Kurse vs. Superboy-Prime: Armwrestle

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, you have your info wrong. Terrax didn't punch one Planet. he swung his ax on a very small planet. The Ax is made by galactus. You can see energy when the ax hits the planet. Not a strength feat.

Two Thanos is by far more than Two times stronger than Thor. Or he wouldn't be able to hand out pimp smacks to the Hulk or hang with WM Thor.

And You show me anyone being 4 times stronger than Thor being able to handle all of earth. Hell despero is prolly 4 times or more stronger than Superman. And he sure as hell ain't stronger than SBP.

Your first point would be valid, if the writer didn't clearly make a point of Terrax cutting off the power to his axe.

Terrax cuts off energy. Terrax swings axe. Planet is destroyed.

Thanos is more durable than he is strong.

He's likely two times Thor.
But his insane durability and stamina is his real edge.

Despero is stronger than average Superman sure.

But he's never been presented as four times Superman.

Vice and Virtue, is the only showing that comes close.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Your first point would be valid, if the writer didn't clearly make a point of Terrax cutting off the power to his axe.

Terrax cuts off energy. Terrax swings axe. Planet is destroyed.

Thanos is more durable than he is strong.

He's likely two times Thor.
But his insane durability and stamina is his real edge.

Despero is stronger than average Superman sure.

But he's never been presented as four times Superman.

Vice and Virtue, is the only showing that comes close.

You realize that Despero gains strength via what body and the soul of the person he takes over. Not clear how it works, but that explains the strength and durablilty fluxes. And Terrax can cut off his energy, but there is still energy sparks when he hits the planet, and he doesn't punch the planet, he swings his ax. And ax made by Galactus. not a strength feat alone. And the planet was clearly small.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Somewhat stronger.

Not 2x.

Strong enough to catch a full on hammer strike with one hand. Also, jurgens, the writer of both has stated that superman is many times stronger than thor. So, he may well be two times stronger than thor.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
There has never been SBP vs. Superman in an arm-wrestle or slugging match with both at their best.

Is he stronger than Supes? Yes. But the degree is a complete unknown and can only be gussed at.

At the speed and ease at which he moves planets, and the way that he fights a city full of top-tiers while weakened, and takes on three kryptonians at one time, I'd say that he is many many times stronger than superman, way over four times.

[/B][/QUOTE] Do you mean Cap Marvel?[/B][/QUOTE]

No, but I could. Considering the fact that ca and ba are on par with each other anyway, but ba is more brutal.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
A. The GLs weren't even using lethal force to begin with until he was already ripping them to bits.
B.I don't put this feat out of regular Supes' capability.

Neither do I but the way that he busted through a forty mile thick wall of gl energy without a scratch, and partially slowed down... supes could not do that.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Who did he take out that were Thor level in strength?

He didnt' even KO Supes or Supergirl.

He brushed off ba like a child.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. battle feats really don't mean shit without other feats. Surfer Jobbers to everyone but when he has to save a planet or some far out shit, he shines. So we know that he can pretty much own anyone. We dont' see him getting all molecule bending in battles, but we know he can. So you can take that battle feats crap and shove it. And SBP is now in a killing mode. He broke MM Neck. Something that has never happened. Destroyed atlantis with heat vision THRU the sea. and threw a crystal so hard that he killed zod with one throw. So why does he need to knock a top tier out when he's so good at killing them?

The reason why MM never was killed by a broken neck, is because it's stupid, seeing as how he's a perfect shapeshifter.

If someone printed Superman breaking Plasticmans neck.....it'd be as stupid as this was.

Still, a nice feat..........if it made any sense.

Destroyed Atlantis with hv.......nice feat, nothing Superman couldn't do however.

Zod, was the best battle feat he had.

Good for him.

He finally killed some people worth noting.......too bad they were alternate realities.

Meaning, we don't know how they stack up to their prime selves.

But he did kill characters purported to be top tiers.

And Surfer beats most characters, because he's got battle feats that deem it so.

All i'm saying, is that SBP never showed he was four times stronger than the top tier.

Stronger by a decent margin?

Sure.

Four times the elite top tier?

Not on panel.

Strong enough to catch a full on hammer strike with one hand. Also, jurgens, the writer of both has stated that superman is many times stronger than thor. So, he may well be two times stronger than thor.

1. JLA/Avengers is not canon for Marvel.
2. Writers say a lot of things and portray characters differently.
That same writer says Doomsday > Darkseid.

At the speed and ease at which he moves planets, and the way that he fights a city full of top-tiers while weakened, and takes on three kryptonians at one time, I'd say that he is many many times stronger than superman, way over four times.

Durability.

He brushed off ba like a child.

He didn't KO Adam and it doesn't take 4x Thor's strength to do this.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You realize that Despero gains strength via what body and the soul of the person he takes over. Not clear how it works, but that explains the strength and durablilty fluxes. And Terrax can cut off his energy, but there is still energy sparks when he hits the planet, and he doesn't punch the planet, he swings his ax. And ax made by Galactus. not a strength feat alone. And the planet was clearly small.

It's not a strength feat alone......because you say so?

Cuz everything else points to strength.

Cuts off power to his axe?

Affirmative.

Swings said axe after power has been cut off?

Affirmative.

Planet is cratered, and the energy spikes you see is likely the artist showing how it affected said planet?

Affirmative.

Planet then goes boom?

Affirmative.

Nvr says planet is clearly small.......though there's no way to say whether it's small or large?

Does not compute.

Virus detected.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
1. JLA/Avengers is not canon for Marvel.
2. Writers say a lot of things and portray characters differently.
That same writer says Doomsday > Darkseid.]

It is cannon for marvel. The cosmic egg was mentioned in the handbook and in some of the comics mentioned the actual crossover. There was someone a few years back that said the same thing that you said and someone pulled up a scan to say otherwise. I don't have the can. But I bet that someone that does will see your post and post the scan.
Also, h/p doomsday is > the physical ds. Because no one hasbeat him. He evolves to everything. It took the entropy of the big bang to halt him. He still came back. Also, it just so happens that this writer writes for superman and thor, and he says that out of the two superman is many times stronger, and it just so happens that superman caught thors full hammer strike with one hand and koed thor. There are way too many variables for that to be a coincidence. I have more evidence to support my argument than you do.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
[B]Durability.

Please tell me how pushing planets, punching through dimensions, fighting a city of toptiers while weakened, and fighting three kryptonians at one time is only a durability feat and not a strength feat?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
He didn't KO Adam and it doesn't take 4x Thor's strength to do this.

So you think that thor could just pimp smack adam away?

Originally posted by Sirius77
It is cannon for marvel. The cosmic egg was mentioned in the handbook and in some of the comics mentioned the actual crossover. There was someone a few years back that said the same thing that you said and someone pulled up a scan to say otherwise. I don't have the can. But I bet that someone that does will see your post and post the scan.
Also, h/p doomsday is > the physical ds. Because no one hasbeat him. He evolves to everything. It took the entropy of the big bang to halt him. He still came back. Also, it just so happens that this writer writes for superman and thor, and he says that out of the two superman is many times stronger, and it just so happens that superman caught thors full hammer strike with one hand and koed thor. There are way too many variables for that to be a coincidence. I have more evidence to support my argument than you do.

Please tell me how pushing planets, punching through dimensions, fighting a city of toptiers while weakened, and fighting three kryptonians at one time is only a durability feat and not a strength feat?

So you think that thor could just pimp smack adam away?

I must agree. your gonna have to be far stronger than 4 times stronger than Thor to pimp smack Black Adam that far away.

Is it possible that all angles of this thread are dumb?

Please tell me how pushing planets, punching through dimensions, fighting a city of toptiers while weakened, and fighting three kryptonians at one time is only a durability feat and not a strength feat?

I was speaking about the top tier part and no, it wasn't a city full of top tiers. And he didn't KO any of them.

So you think that thor could just pimp smack adam away?

No.

Could someone about 3x stronger than Superman and 4x stronger than Thor do it? Yes.

I must agree. your gonna have to be far stronger than 4 times stronger than Thor to pimp smack Black Adam that far away.

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope this is sarcasm or you've reached a new low.

So you think that someone as strong as superman could pimp smack ba away? Seriously?

I never said that.

I disagreed with the statement you have to be far beyond 4x as strong as Thor to do it.

Which is the most idiotic statement I've heard in a while.

...I'm saying that a lot lately.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The reason why MM never was killed by a broken neck, is because it's stupid, seeing as how he's a perfect shapeshifter.

If someone printed Superman breaking Plasticmans neck.....it'd be as stupid as this was.

Still, a nice feat..........if it made any sense.

Destroyed Atlantis with hv.......nice feat, nothing Superman couldn't do however.

Zod, was the best battle feat he had.

Good for him.

He finally killed some people worth noting.......too bad they were alternate realities.

Meaning, we don't know how they stack up to their prime selves.

But he did kill characters purported to be top tiers.

And Surfer beats most characters, because he's got battle feats that deem it so.

All i'm saying, is that SBP never showed he was four times stronger than the top tier.

Stronger by a decent margin?

Sure.

Four times the elite top tier?

Not on panel.

That's PC Superboy.

Who grew up to be PC Superman of Earth-1.

Ie. NOT in any way related to Superboy of Earth-Prime who we are discussing.

And SBP isn't as powerful as PC Supes as far as hhas been shown.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I never said that.

I disagreed with the statement you have to be far beyond 4x as strong as Thor to do it.

Which is the most idiotic statement I've heard in a while.

...I'm saying that a lot lately.

So then what ARE you saying? You say that you don't have to be four times as strong, then, then despite the fact that superman was stated to be several times stronger than thor, and caught his hammer with one hand to prove it, you say thats wrong. So enlighten me... how strong do you have to be?

Are you actually saying Superman is twice as strong as Thor? Or moreso?

But what I'm saying is that you don't have to be 4x as strong as Thor to swat BA aside.

It's something Thanos could do and Thanos, as Uni said, is not 4x stronger than Thor.

The blow didn't even KO Adam and the distance it threw him has been matched or surpassed by characters such as The Rhino who has knocked people into orbit.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Are you actually saying Superman is twice as strong as Thor? Or moreso?

But what [b]I'm saying is that you don't have to be 4x as strong as Thor to swat BA aside.

It's something Thanos could do and Thanos, as Uni said, is not 4x stronger than Thor.

The blow didn't even KO Adam and the distance it threw him has been matched or surpassed by characters such as The Rhino who has knocked people into orbit. [/B]

So then are you saying that sbp isn't four times as strong as superman... despite the fact that it took three kryptonians to keep a weakened sbp at bay? So you think that kurse wins this?

He didn't physically overpower any of those Kryptonians so it means jack shit in terms of strength.

And yes I do.

If SBP was 4x as strong as Superman, he'd KO any person he has ever hit.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
He didn't physically overpower any of those Kryptonians so it means jack shit in terms of strength.

And yes I do.

If SBP was 4x as strong as Superman, he'd KO any person he has ever hit.

Theres a hole in your logic. If that were true and he wasn't four times as strong as superman, then how can he take on three kryptonians and a city of top-tiers while weakened?

And strength doesn't always mean a ko.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
That's PC Superboy.

Who grew up to be PC Superman of Earth-1.

Ie. NOT in any way related to Superboy of Earth-Prime who we are discussing.

And SBP isn't as powerful as PC Supes as far as hhas been shown.