Originally posted by Se7in
1. The movies are the number one canon source, next to George Lucas.2. The title says [B]TPM
Maul, not random comic book Maul. [/B]
Than there is no taunting what soever. Maul's fighting style does not involvetalking at all. The only reason he lost to kenobi was because kenobi was hanging on to a pipe and Maul was overconfident. Maul did no taunting/provoking. That is how come Luke was able to overcome vader was because Vader provoked Luke by saying he could turn Leia and Luke was close to falling to the darkside and Luke would not have that type of rage or fury against Maul.
Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
Yes, it's not in Maul to taunt his opponents. Just because he did so against Kenobi doesn't mean he did against everybody else or most of the time.
What did he even do to taunt Maul? Pacing while Obiwan was hanging? I would consider that overconfidence and even if it were taunting it is not the type that would enrage Luke enough to overcome Maul.
Originally posted by kamhal
Ok, let me use your logic: Obi-Wan wins against anakin, soresu>djem so; anakin wins against dooku, djem so>soresu; dooku win against obi-wan, makashi>soresu. Let's continue? Windu beats Sidious, juyo>ataru, maul beats vader, juyo>djem so. Dooku beats anakin, makashi>ataru, yoda beats dooku, ataru>makashi. Do you see how STUPID is this logic? Besides djem so isn't the most offensive style of the attack, djem so is on ONE of the most offensive styles, and it's based on strenght. But there are also ataru, based on acrobatics, or juyo, based on agressivity and speed. Ah, and maul did beat obi1, and he was injured when he beat both jedis.
your whole logic chain and the subsequent point are mute beacause in anakin v obiwan anakin was using ataro and not djem so. (pay close attention to his movements). all that spinning and leaping! and by the way, mace windu was using vaapad and not juyo.
1) Anakin was using djem so. It was stated so your point is invalid. Also, it's not uncommon for duelists to use some manouvers from other styles, even though they are using other lightsaber style.
2) Vaadpad is an "upgrade" from juyo, a version from it, but it belongs to the juyo style none the less.
Originally posted by kamhal
1) Anakin was using djem so. It was stated so your point is invalid. Also, it's not uncommon for duelists to use some manouvers from other styles, even though they are using other lightsaber style.2) Vaadpad is an "upgrade" from juyo, a version from it, but it belongs to the juyo style none the less.
1)show me a source where it says anakin was using djem so and not ataro and while youre at it, find me a source to prove that duelists commonly sample move from other styles while fighting.
2) and upgrade is not the same as the original, one could say that a chicken is an upgrade from an egg , but that doesnt mean a chicken is an egg.
1) "When he turned to the Dark Side and being rechristened Darth Vader, he maintained his Form V mastery, but utilized it in a much more brutal fashion, becoming a frightening opponent. However, his aggression became his fatal flaw, he would become so controlled by it that it would give way to Force Rage. Though younger, more athletic, and a greater swordsman, and gifted with more raw Force power than any Force user, he still lacked the experience, calmness, and focus that his former master possessed. Though Vader could and would call on the dark side to overpower his opponents, his mounting emotions also distracted him from executing his style as well as Obi-Wan executed his."
"On the Invisible Hand, he [Anakin] deceived Dooku with a Shien opening stance and Ataru acrobatics, but partially through the duel, he returned to his powerful Djem So strokes."
Quotes from wookipedia.
2) Stupiest analogy i had ever seen. Vaadpad is an a derivation from juyo, a bit diferent perhaps, but a juyo style in his essential points.
Originally posted by kamhal
1) "When he turned to the Dark Side and being rechristened Darth Vader, he maintained his Form V mastery, but utilized it in a much more brutal fashion, becoming a frightening opponent. However, his aggression became his fatal flaw, he would become so controlled by it that it would give way to Force Rage. Though younger, more athletic, and a greater swordsman, and gifted with more raw Force power than any Force user, he still lacked the experience, calmness, and focus that his former master possessed. Though Vader could and would call on the dark side to overpower his opponents, his mounting emotions also distracted him from executing his style as well as Obi-Wan executed his.""On the Invisible Hand, he [Anakin] deceived Dooku with a Shien opening stance and Ataru acrobatics, but partially through the duel, he returned to his powerful Djem So strokes."
Quotes from wookipedia.
2) Stupiest analogy i had ever seen. Vaadpad is an a derivation from juyo, a bit diferent perhaps, but a juyo style in his essential points.
1) this doesnt prove that he wasnt using ataro against obi wan.
2) if they were the same there would be no need to have 2 diffrent names. the point is it was vaapad and not juyo. chicken and not egg.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Luke fought Maul ( in non-cannon comic) and won.
And the battle was a few years after the ROTJ and that Maul was a solid state hologram which had a big advantage and a big weakness at the same time. It can strike but can't be struck back, but if the computer that holds his brain and produces the hologram is turned off then Maul dies. So that battle if an a tough one for me to rate and Im glad it is noncannon.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
And the battle was a few years after the ROTJ and that Maul was a solid state hologram which had a big advantage and a big weakness at the same time. It can strike but can't be struck back, but if the computer that holds his brain and produces the hologram is turned off then Maul dies. So that battle if an a tough one for me to rate and Im glad it is noncannon.
Exactly, and the most important thing about this is that it is NOT CANON. That is actually all that really matters.
Originally posted by Man of Christ
Luke wins on 3 grounds1) More adept in the force than maul
Evidence: in ROTJ he forced choked those 2 gammoreans outside of jabab's den with almost no effort, when maul had'nt done anything nearly as impressive with the force, if so he would have been able to intercept obiwans force jump in tpm when obi killed him.2) more physical strength.
Evidence: in ROTJ luke went toe to toe with vader, both using djem so and he actually made vader back up. that speaks to his physical strength, whereas maul barely beat an old man.3) saber style
djem so beats juyo. and as we see when padawan obi broke his lighstaff in half his saber style was like a deer caught in the headlights when forced to use one blade. so if a padawan obi could cut his blade in half then a jedi knight luke could definitely do it, then its all in lukes favor from there.
1) "djem so beats juyo"......
prove it.
2) Luke diddnt force choke the guards, choke is only a darkside power (unless ur talkin about mace windu who uses chock and crush alot). Luke used force stun. Also, using the force does not take much effort for a well trained jedi/sith.
3) Maul has more strength than luke. In the duel with obi-wan and qui gon, he always wins every saber lock they have, and luke cant even beat vader in a saber lock.
Originally posted by Darth_noodleYes he did you fu(king idiot. If its only a dark side power then why the hell is mace using it seeing that he is a lightsider?2) Luke diddnt force choke the guards, choke is only a darkside power (unless ur talkin about mace windu who uses chock and crush alot). Luke used force stun. Also, using the force does not take much effort for a well trained jedi/sith.
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Hell even wookiepedia said choke was used by force luke. The movies ITSELF showed luke choking the guards. My god your such a retard, Get the fu(k of these forums n00b
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Yes he did you fu(king idiot. If its only a dark side power then why the hell is mace using it seeing that he is a lightsider?Hell even wookiepedia said choke was used by force luke. The movies ITSELF showed luke choking the guards. My god your such a retard, Get the fu(k of these forums n00b
Reported. Iv had it with you cursing, and insulting me on every single thread. May you get a life, and grow a brain, whoops nevermind, im stating the impossible.