King Hyperion vs Exiles Surfer

Originally posted by Val
You do realize you've yet to prove Hyperion is on Superman or Surfer's level, yes?

Hyperion is equal to Gladiator in strength, speed, durability, and heat vision output. That was clearly shown in their fight, as well as in Hyperion's fights with guys like Thor, Wonder Man, and the Hulk, he usually looks superior, or at the very least equal to them. That stuff alone puts Hyperion on Superman's level, and King Hyperion was beating the hell out of 2 of these Hyperions. In other words, King Hyperion showed to be 2x the level of guys like Surfer and Superman, considering Hyperion, Thor, etc are on Superman and Surfer's level.

Proven.

Now, Superman cant beat King Hyperion considering 2 regular Hyperions, each of who are roughly on Superman's level alone, couldnt. King Hyperion is just a far more powerful, more ruthless, bald version of Superman. Superman cant win this. The only thing he might have over King Hyperion is fighting skills, but even then, it's not by much, and doesnt even come close to making up for everything else King Hyperion is superior in.

The only way i could see Surfer winning is by exploiting Hyperion's weakness to Argonite radiation, but considering King Hyperion wasnt of the same physiology as regular Hyperions as he was a full fledged alien whereas regular Hyperion was an eternal, well, that might not work because it was never shown that King Hype has that weakness. And after that, the only thing Surfer could do is keep his distance and blast him down, but that's not gonna happen. Eventually Hyperion would be put down, but long before that, Hyperion would catch up to Surfer and beat the shit out of him, or Surfer would just be stupid and try to fight Hyperion up close, where he gets slaughtered.

Not proven.

Superman's showing against the JLA trumps that shit.

When he fought Thor, it was hardly a fight. It consisted of a cheapshot. A hammer throw, and eye blasts. Then Thor punked Hype.
Hardly enough to Hype was superiour to Thor.
And he got pretty punked by Hulk. 🙂

Originally posted by Val
Not proven.

Superman's showing against the JLA trumps that shit.

But Superman's showing against the JLA was one of Superman's highest showings. His high showings are not all that count. His average is what counts. And when you factor in all of his showings, he aint beating King Hyperion. King Hyperion only has one semi-bad showing, and no horrible showings, in a mix of TONS of amazing showings. King Hyperion wins this, whether all the Superman fanboys want to admit it or not.

Originally posted by Photon009
Hyperion is equal to Gladiator in strength, speed, durability, and heat vision output. That was clearly shown in their fight, as well as in Hyperion's fights with guys like Thor, Wonder Man, and the Hulk, he usually looks superior, or at the very least equal to them. That stuff alone puts Hyperion on Superman's level, and King Hyperion was beating the hell out of 2 of these Hyperions. In other words, King Hyperion showed to be 2x the level of guys like Surfer and Superman, considering Hyperion, Thor, etc are on Superman and Surfer's level.

Proven.

Now, Superman cant beat King Hyperion considering 2 regular Hyperions, each of who are roughly on Superman's level alone, couldnt. King Hyperion is just a far more powerful, more ruthless, bald version of Superman. Superman cant win this. The only thing he might have over King Hyperion is fighting skills, but even then, it's not by much, and doesnt even come close to making up for everything else King Hyperion is superior in.

The only way i could see Surfer winning is by exploiting Hyperion's weakness to Argonite radiation, but considering King Hyperion wasnt of the same physiology as regular Hyperions as he was a full fledged alien whereas regular Hyperion was an eternal, well, that might not work because it was never shown that King Hype has that weakness. And after that, the only thing Surfer could do is keep his distance and blast him down, but that's not gonna happen. Eventually Hyperion would be put down, but long before that, Hyperion would catch up to Surfer and beat the shit out of him, or Surfer would just be stupid and try to fight Hyperion up close, where he gets slaughtered.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
When he fought Thor, it was hardly a fight. It consisted of a cheapshot. A hammer throw, and eye blasts. Then Thor punked Hype.
Hardly enough to Hype was superiour to Thor.
And he got pretty punked by Hulk. 🙂

Hyperion's fought Thor and the Hulk on multiple occasions. And neither time he got punked. In his first fight against Thor, he was clearly shown superior to Thor, until Thor pulled a matter manipulation trick and shrunk Hyperion. In the second fight, Hyperion blitzed Thor, Thor threw his hammer, Spectrum got rid of the hammer so it was h2h with no long range attacks, and Hyperion was beating the hell out of Thor again until Wonder Man stepped in and saved Thor's ass. The first time he fought Hulk, they were looking pretty equal, stalemating, and it was interrupted, and then the second time, it was going back and forth, though when Hulk was hitting Hyperion, it wasnt really having any effect. Hulk only won using a Thunderclap which messed Hyperion up bad because of his great hearing. And against Wonder Man, Hyperion sent him flying 20 miles with a 1-2 punch combo, and in that he broke Wondy's arm and shattered most of his ribs. Then he tore Wondy right through the planet, destroying it, and plowed him into the sun.

Originally posted by Photon009
King Hyperion
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd165/KingHyperion/Fight/fight%207/1.jpg

vs

Exiles Surfer
http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/135/68271_20061028051139_large.jpg

Who wins?

And who was the bigger threat to the Exiles?

I'd go with Hyperion.

Surfer ftw.

Originally posted by B.A
hysterical

Please tell me what's so funny you idiot. Go ahead, show me what i said that's untrue at all, and refute it. Otherwise get the **** outa here cause people like you are useless. You dont debate you just go through threads acting like an idiot and pissing everyone off who doesnt agree with your massively DC-biased views.

Originally posted by Photon009
But Superman's showing against the JLA was one of Superman's highest showings. His high showings are not all that count. His average is what counts. And when you factor in all of his showings, he aint beating King Hyperion. King Hyperion only has one semi-bad showing, and no horrible showings, in a mix of TONS of amazing showings. King Hyperion wins this, whether all the Superman fanboys want to admit it or not.

Also, Surfer manipulates energy. Solar energy drain ftw.

Originally posted by Val
Hyperion's showings against the 2 other Hyperion were HIS highest showings. Why is it ok to you use Hyperion at his absolute best and Superman at his average?

I'm not using Hyperion at his absolute best. Yea, against the 2 Hyperions was his highest showing, but he was still always shown that powerful, making that his average. There's a difference. See, Superman's highest showings, he's not always shown that powerful. That's why we have to go by averages. But with King Hyperion, he was always been shown that powerful, oneshotting top tiers like Magneto, Namora, Vision, etc, easily killing Colossus, the Fantastic Five, the Avengers, Thor, Holocaust, among others. He was always shown that powerful. As i said, he doesnt even have one bad showing, he just has one decent/semi-bad one, getting his neck snapped by Namora, but it wasnt really bad because 1 he was caught by suprise and 2 he snapped it right back 2 panels later, and had no lasting damage whatsoever. Plus he probably couldve snapped it back earlier than he did if he wanted to, because it's shown that he was listening to Namora the whole time, so he was fine.

Originally posted by Photon009
Hyperion's fought Thor and the Hulk on multiple occasions. And neither time he got punked. In his first fight against Thor, he was clearly shown superior to Thor, until Thor pulled a matter manipulation trick and shrunk Hyperion. In the second fight, Hyperion blitzed Thor, Thor threw his hammer, Spectrum got rid of the hammer so it was h2h with no long range attacks, and Hyperion was beating the hell out of Thor again until Wonder Man stepped in and saved Thor's ass. The first time he fought Hulk, they were looking pretty equal, stalemating, and it was interrupted, and then the second time, it was going back and forth, though when Hulk was hitting Hyperion, it wasnt really having any effect. Hulk only won using a Thunderclap which messed Hyperion up bad because of his great hearing. And against Wonder Man, Hyperion sent him flying 20 miles with a 1-2 punch combo, and in that he broke Wondy's arm and shattered most of his ribs. Then he tore Wondy right through the planet, destroying it, and plowed him into the sun.

I'm going to use your own scans...
But, are you talking about this fight?
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor3.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor4.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor5.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor6.jpg
If so, I giggled quite a bit...

And Hyperion ended up getting beat, did he not? Same with his first fight against Thor.

I don't care about Wonderman. He can lick a nut right now for all I care.

You gave me King Hyperion's best feat ever as proof he's more powerful than Superman, yes? If you're going to use that than I can use Superman one shotting Despero or a weakened Superman and Khyber making the planet shake while fighting in the atmosphere.

You can't have it both ways. Either use the best for both or use the average for both.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
In the first fight... he showed that he wasn't superior to Thor at all... I can't figure out where you get this from. It was a short fight, and Thor wasn't going all out as well.

I'm going to use your own scans...
But, are you talking about this fight?
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor3.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor4.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor5.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor6.jpg
If so, I giggled quite a bit...

And Hyperion ended up getting beat, did he not? Same with his first fight against Thor.

I don't care about Wonderman. He can lick a nut right now for all I care.

That wasnt a 1-on-1 fight so i dont consider that here. It wasnt shown 1 on 1 so it's pretty much useless. Im talking about the other fight in Busieks Avengers series, an issue later, where Hyperion and Thor fight one-on-one, and since Thor doesnt have Mjolnir (thanks to Spectrum) they fight on going fists against fists, and Hyperion's shown superior. And in their very first fight around Avengers #80 or so, Hyperion was also shown clearly superior until Thor used matter manipulation to shrink Hyperion.

Originally posted by Val
You gave me King Hyperion's best feat ever as proof he's more powerful than Superman, yes? If you're going to use that than I can use Superman one shotting Despero or a weakened Superman and Khyber making the planet shake while fighting in the atmosphere.

You can't have it both ways. Either use the best for both or use the average for both.

This is what you dont understand. Against the 2 Hyperion's was his highest feat, yes, but HE WAS ALWAYS SHOWN THAT POWERFUL, THEREFORE THAT IS HIS AVERAGE. Superman on the other hand is usually shown more powerful than regularly is when doing his high end feats, and thats why his average isnt as high as his high end feats. But King Hyperion was ALWAYS shown that powerful. That was just the one time he had to actually try to defeat someone, cause everyone else he flatout RECKED with ease. But once again, he was ALWAYS SHOWN THAT POWERFUL, THEREFORE THAT IS HIS AVERAGE.

Originally posted by Photon009
This is what you dont understand. Against the 2 Hyperion's was his highest feat, yes, but HE WAS ALWAYS SHOWN THAT POWERFUL, THEREFORE THAT IS HIS AVERAGE. Superman on the other hand is usually shown more powerful than regularly is when doing his high end feats, and thats why his average isnt as high as his high end feats. But King Hyperion was ALWAYS shown that powerful. That was just the one time he had to actually try to defeat someone, cause everyone else he flatout RECKED with ease. But once again, he was ALWAYS SHOWN THAT POWERFUL, THEREFORE THAT IS HIS AVERAGE.

You're telling me that stalemating 2 Hyperion's and beating alternate universe F4 members are analogous feats which is flat out crazy.

If a new villain burst onto the scene and beat the 616 F4, we wouldn't even deem them herald level much less some other Earth chumps.

You're also telling me that to believe King Hyperion is more powerful than Superman, I would have to ignore all of Superman's feats that put him over a certain level of which there are many.

Originally posted by Val
No, I get it but it doesn't make sense.

You're telling me that stalemating 2 Hyperion's and beating alternate universe F4 members are analogous feats which is flat out crazy.

If a new villain burst onto the scene and beat the 616 F4, we wouldn't even deem them herald level much less some other Earth chumps.

You're also telling me that to believe King Hyperion is more powerful than Superman, I would have to ignore all of Superman's feats that put him over a certain level of which there are many.

No, you dont have to ignore Supes' high end feats. But you have to average all his feats out, from his bad ones to his good ones.

And in this specific instance, yes, they are analagous feats. Sure, beating the Fantastic Five isnt as impressive as getting the better of 2 Hyperions, but the way he did it, how easily and everything, you could tell he was on the same level when he beat the F5 as he was when he fought the Hyperions. Take into consideration how easily he did it, that he obviously was holding back, and that he literally reduced the Thing to a forearm and gravel. The fact of how easily he did it, and everything else fo that matter, compared to how getting the better of 2 Hyperions was pretty tough for him, etc it's pretty obvious that he was always on the same level.

Originally posted by Photon009
That wasnt a 1-on-1 fight so i dont consider that here. It wasnt shown 1 on 1 so it's pretty much useless. Im talking about the other fight in Busieks Avengers series, an issue later, where Hyperion and Thor fight one-on-one, and since Thor doesnt have Mjolnir (thanks to Spectrum) they fight on going fists against fists, and Hyperion's shown superior. And in their very first fight around Avengers #80 or so, Hyperion was also shown clearly superior until Thor used matter manipulation to shrink Hyperion.

I like how you judge Thor based off of him not having his hammer though... quite funny. 🙂

No he wasn't. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ah, so you're talking about this fight?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Avengersv306-14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Avengersv306-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Avengersv306-19.jpg
😐
'Nuff said.

I like how you judge Thor based off of him not having his hammer though... quite funny. 🙂

No he wasn't. 🙂

Photon is a dumbass.uhuh

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ah, so you're talking about this fight?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Avengersv306-14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Avengersv306-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Avengersv306-19.jpg
😐
'Nuff said.

I like how you judge Thor based off of him not having his hammer though... quite funny. 🙂

No he wasn't. 🙂

It was shown what would happen in a h2h fight, without Thor using Mjolnir for those long range attacks. So yes it is valid in showing that Hyperion is physically superior (as in strength, speed, durability, etc) to Thor. Thor having Mjolnir has nothing to do with being physically superior, it would just help him win thanks to versatility and long range attacks, but to determine whose physically superior, yes thats the best way is to have them fight h2h, which is what they did, where Hyperion was shown superior.

And no he wasnt what?