Originally posted by OzoneThat all depends on what Doomsday.
Garlic jr would win this as long as he's in his muscular form.
Originally posted by Violent2DopeHe was weaker than Gohan during Dead Zone so he must have gotten a lot powerful in there somehow and I don't remember Black Water Mist...at least not him being stronger than Piccolo. Didn't Gohan beat him again? I can't remember...
LOL WHAT!? He was stronger than Piccolo, but slower, who is more powerful than 2nd form Freeza.
In BWM the Makyo Star(his power source) was somehow coming closer to earth, which is what allowed him to break free of the Dead Zone. He easily pwned any and all, except Piccolo, who used GJ's comparatively slow speed against him, but eventually he was not enough. Then, he opened the Dead Zone, but then Gohan destroyed the Makyo Star, which made GJ powerless, so he was sucked in the DZ.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He easily pwned any and all, except Piccolo, who used GJ's comparatively slow speed against him
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
but eventually he was not enough.
In any case, I don't get what any of this has to do with GJ vs Doomsday. 😬
As for the match between them, I reckon if Garlic Jr were to open the Dead Zone in an attempt to suck Doomsday in, Doomsday (before getting sucked in) could easily just punch Garlic Jr. into the void, but then Garlic could just use the power of the Makyo Star to escape, and thus, the fight continues...
On the other hand, if Garlic Jr. were to attempt to infect Doomsday with the Black Water Mist (Doomsday would probably just breathe it in carelessly), he would become his pawn, and thus, Garlic would win.
At least that's how I see it. Of course, I'm not entirely sure myself if the Black Water Mist would actually work on DD.
Either way, if anyone disagrees, feel free to prove me wrong, I guess.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeWouldn't Doomsday need like a brain or organs or something for it to work instead of just bones and solid muscle.
At least that's how I see it. Of course, I'm not entirely sure myself if the Black Water Mist would actually work on DD.
Either way, if anyone disagrees, feel free to prove me wrong, I guess.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If Martian Manhunter's TP didn't work, what makes you think that crap would?It didn't work on Picollo because his physiology was too different. Doomsday's is far more different.
hell even if it did work, he'd be his pawn for what all of five min? he'd jus evolve so it didnt effect him
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He of course had to use strength, but by Pic's own admission GJ was stronger than him, just slower. I forgot about the Kami thing tho.
Originally posted by Kento
Wouldn't Doomsday need like a brain or organs or something for it to work instead of just bones and solid muscle.
But from what we do know, the BWM was not only able to infect humans, but even animals as well (which tried to kill Gohan the moment they got infected).
And solid or not, muscles were organic last I checked 😛 (in response to that last part of your post).
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If Martian Manhunter's TP didn't work, what makes you think that crap would?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It didn't work on Picollo because his physiology was too different. Doomsday's is far more different.
I was trying to think of some other way (that wasn't mentioned before) to end this particular VS topic, so that's why I happened to have thought of the BWM. I'm not exactly a big fan of Garlic Jr. or anything (then again, who here is?).
Originally posted by King Kandy
How is the Black Water Mist going to effect DD if DD doesn't breathe?
But... I'm just going to stop there with the whole thing about Doomsday and the Black Water Mist, as Endless Mike pretty much showed why it wouldn't work on him.
Too much speculation isn't good anyway.
but TP and black water mist are different.
black water mist are mystical in origin.
science does not apply in fictional accounts such as this.
the black water mist can make anyone it's minion. a fact cant be countered, the anime states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.
the only thing doomsday can counter is the bite of garlic jr. if he can also stop his blood flows like piccolo did.
the effect didn't work on piccolo because the venom didn't flow inside his systems. you see, piccolo press his neck and the venom squirts.
wait, did anyone post the scans where doomsday took a planet busting.
because the astro force you were talking about can also produce smaller blasts. how sure you are it is a planet busting that doomsday took?
can doomsday erase atoms or smoke?
DD was able to evolve to be able to kill an energy being by creating an anti-energy from his body and canceling him out. Given time, DD can beat pretty much anyone under a certain power level. BFR is pretty much the best and sometimes only thing that works.
And that mist was crap. It's not gonna do shit to Doomsday. 🙄 Even if it did affect him, Doomsday has one of the best healing factors around in addition to his other powers. He'd purge that shit right out.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeWell there would have to be something the mist affected to turn them? And animals and humans all have everything Doomsday doesn't like brains and lungs and hearts and all the other organs.
Yeah. I figured. 😛And how do you/we know what's required for one to be infected by the Black Water Mist? I don't think that was ever specified, though if it was, enlighten me.
But from what we do know, the BWM was not only able to infect humans, but even animals as well (which tried to kill Gohan the moment they got infected).
And solid or not, muscles were organic last I checked 😛 (in response to that last part of your post).
Well, it depends on which version of Doomsday. If the Doomsday we've been talking about in this thread (VS Garlic Jr.) is the one that was immune to Jonn's TP, then of course the BWM wouldn't work.
In that case, back to the drawing board for this thread it is then...
I was trying to think of some other way (that wasn't mentioned before) to end this particular VS topic, so that's why I happened to have thought of the BWM. I'm not exactly a big fan of Garlic Jr. or anything (then again, who here is?).
In that case (if he doesn't breathe), if the BWM were able to work on DD by some chance (if), then getting him bitten by someone who has already gotten infected would also cause DD to get effected by it.
But... I'm just going to stop there with the whole thing about Doomsday and the Black Water Mist, as Endless Mike pretty much showed why it wouldn't work on him.
Too much speculation isn't good anyway.
😆 Yea muscles are organic sure but he doesn't have any internal organs or anything.
Was the version of Doomsday ever actually specified? And TP and BWM are completely different so being immune to TP doesn't mean BWM won't work even if it is from J'onn. Not that I think BWM will work.
Originally posted by nij-ayiasWhat does it matter if Doomsday took planet destroy blasts or not? Garlic Jr. wasn't ever shown to have that kind of energy to do so. And H/P Doomsday who is like third or second strongest depending on how you view Gog Wars and Doomsday Wars since there really was no need for Doomsday Wars Doomsday to actually be any stronger or anything took a blasts that turned a large chunk of a planet that was rocky flat like it was nothing which is more than what Garlic could do. DOS Doomsday did some pretty impressive things also but I can't really remember any blasts.
but TP and black water mist are different.black water mist are mystical in origin.
it didn't work on piccolo because the venom didn't flow, you see piccolo press his neck and the venom squirts.
wait, did anyone post the scans where doomsday took a planet busting.
because the astro force you were talking about can also produce smaller blasts. how sure you are it is a planet busting that doomsday took?
can doomsday erase atoms or smoke?
Originally posted by King KandyJust because he doesn't breathe doesn't mean it won't go into him as he opens his mouth and growls...though how he can talk is beyond me.
How is the Black Water Mist going to effect DD if DD doesn't breathe?
Originally posted by OzoneThere are many versions of him.
What about him?
Originally posted by Kento
Well there would have to be something the mist affected to turn them? And animals and humans all have everything Doomsday doesn't like brains and lungs and hearts and all the other organs.😆 Yea muscles are organic sure but he doesn't have any internal organs or anything.
Was the version of Doomsday ever actually specified? And TP and BWM are completely different so being immune to TP doesn't mean BWM won't work even if it is from J'onn. Not that I think BWM will work..
black mist water can infect anyone that's how the anime stated it and it's mystical in origin. a fact can’t be countered, the anime states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.
science does not apply in fictional accounts such as this so you can't argue about muscles etc. besides BWM is mystical in origin.
Originally posted by Kento
What does it matter if Doomsday took planet destroy blasts or not? Garlic Jr. wasn't ever shown to have that kind of energy to do so. And H/P Doomsday who is like third or second strongest depending on how you view Gog Wars and Doomsday Wars since there really was no need for Doomsday Wars Doomsday to actually be any stronger or anything took a blasts that turned a large chunk of a planet that was rocky flat like it was nothing which is more than what Garlic could do. DOS Doomsday did some pretty impressive things also but I can't really remember any blasts.
Just because he doesn't breathe doesn't mean it won't go into him as he opens his mouth and growls...though how he can talk is beyond me. There are many versions of him.
prove it
it's not the same blasts that doomsday took.
don't debate if you can't remember and as far as i know your the person who doesn't know if GJ can regenerate, so what's your point in debating if you dont know the character.
Originally posted by nij-ayiasEven if it can effect DOS Doomsday any other Doomsday would evolve fast enough so it won't be any problem at all. And just because it's mystical doesn't mean it'll effect something that technically isn't living.
black mist water can infect anyone that's how the anime stated it and it's mystical in origin. a fact can’t be countered, the anime states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.science does not apply in fictional accounts such as this so you can't argue about muscles etc. besides BWM is mystical in origin.
prove it
it's not the same blasts that doomsday took.
don't debate if you can't remember and as far as i know your the person who doesn't know if GJ can regenerate, so what's your point in debating if you dont know the character.
It's easy to prove H/P Doomsday took more easily than Garlic could do. Garlic blast have done nothing that comes close to what Doomsday took without even getting hurt. And I said I don't remember any blasts that DOS Doomsday took because I only read Death Of Superman when Superman fought Doomsday and was killed nothing before it. And I said I didn't know Garlic could regrow an arm or leg not that he couldn't regen not that I don't know who Garlic is. It's just been a long time since I seen Black Water Mist arc and I remember Dead Zone movie better.
Originally posted by Kento
Even if it can effect DOS Doomsday any other Doomsday would evolve fast enough so it won't be any problem at all. And just because it's mystical doesn't mean it'll effect something that technically isn't living.
BWM is not an attack or disease but it makes anyone GJ's pawn so why would doomsday evolve to BWM if it cannott cause any damage.
a fact can’t be countered, the anime states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.
stop assuming plz...............
Originally posted by Kento
It's easy to prove H/P Doomsday took more easily than Garlic could do. Garlic blast have done nothing that comes close to what Doomsday took without even getting hurt. And I said I don't remember any blasts that DOS Doomsday took because I only read Death Of Superman when Superman fought Doomsday and was killed nothing before it. And I said I didn't know Garlic could regrow an arm or leg not that he couldn't regen not that I don't know who Garlic is. It's just been a long time since I seen Black Water Mist arc and I remember Dead Zone movie better.
i didn't say that GJ blast can destroy a planet, im only referring to other dbz villains. sorry for the off topic. still doomsday didnt took a planet busting attack, its not the same planet busting attack that he took.
doomsday is above GJ without eternal life, BWM and makyo planet.
stop assuming if it a long time plz....
Originally posted by nij-ayiasIt effects the person in general and if it effects him he'll evolve so it doesn't.
BWM is not an attack or disease but it makes anyone GJ's pawn so why would doomsday evolve to BWM if it cannott cause any damage.a fact can’t be countered, the anime states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.
stop assuming plz...............
i didn't say that GJ blast can destroy a planet, im only referring to other dbz villains. sorry for the off topic. still doomsday didnt took a planet busting attack, its not the same planet busting attack that he took.
doomsday is above GJ without eternal life, BWM and makyo planet.
stop assuming if it a long time plz....
When did BWM ever do anything to something not living? Doomsday isn't technically living even if he is moving. There is no reason for you to assume it would work on Doomsday either.
Garlic Jr isn't every other character..and not every other DBZ character can destroy a planet so what does it matter? Nothing Garlic has done or anybody before that arc has done outdid what Doomsday took like it was nothing.
Doomsday has eternal life, superior strength, has unlimited stamina, and superior speed. Just because somebody is immortal doesn't mean they can't be koed. You can't prove BWM can effect Doomsday and what does Makyo Star have to do with anything? It's power didn't give him anything over Doomsday at all and Garlic Jr opening the Dead Zone would just backfire on him again.
Originally posted by Kento
and what does Makyo Star have to do with anything? It's power didn't give him anything over Doomsday at all and Garlic Jr opening the Dead Zone would just backfire on him again.
Meh. In any case, I see now that me bringing up the BWM really was a bad idea for this thread to begin with 😘 (though I guess it was worth a try), since now it's only leading to redundant speculation on both sides, which isn't getting us anywhere...
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeHow long would it take for Garlic to get out though?
True, but Garlic Jr. could still use the power of the Makyo Star to escape the Dead Zone if it backfired on him again (like if Doomsday threw or knocked him into the void).Meh. In any case, I see now that me bringing up the BWM really was a bad idea for this thread to begin with 😘 (though I guess it was worth a try), since now it's only leading to redundant speculation on both sides, which isn't getting us anywhere...
Eh somebody else would have brought up BWM since it's something Garlic has so it's no big deal.