No, it's not.
There's nothing that suggests that Nihilus is even a truly legitimate Sith Lord.
Gideon, the prime supporter for these "official" quotes, has been completely unable to argue these quotes effectively, and neither has his boyfriend Publius. In fact, he's slowly changing his stance from "these quotes are absolutely conclusive" to "it's clearly the underlying message."
As for showings of power, Nihilus has him beat by miles, so logic would quite clearly indicate that Nihilus was far more powerful than Sidious.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
No, it's not.There's nothing that suggests that Nihilus is even a truly legitimate Sith Lord.
Gideon, the prime supporter for these "official" quotes, has been completely unable to argue these quotes effectively, and neither has his boyfriend Publius. In fact, he's slowly changing his stance from "these quotes are absolutely conclusive" to "it's clearly the underlying message."
As for showings of power, Nihilus has him beat by miles, so logic would quite clearly indicate that Nihilus was far more powerful than Sidious.
Wrong, Sidious' feats put him way above Nihilus in power. The fact that you don't use logic indicates that your logic is NOT actually logic, but logic according to Noobaris, otherwise known as utter stupidity.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
No i don'tOh but i do. Do you? And nobody has agreed with you yet, seeing that you never even asked me to get a life.
Wow your a pathetic loser.
Lol 80%. I see 70% arguements and 20% insults. Even a retarted kid could see that.
Oh how do i control my mouth when its not even OPEN! Take that C0CK out of your mouth.
If you could actually read, i said mouth/FINGERS.
your just a stupid fat loser that sits by the computer all day long LMAO. and "retarded kid"? LOL stop describing yourself please. Your so pitifull its sad lmao.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
First of all, N00baris, noone here is agreeing with you, because;1. Your pathetic excuse of an argument goes against canon.
2. You're a stupid dumbass.
And you makes fun of GahLakTus saying 'he has too much time on his hands', and you don't? Considering you've made over 20+ socks here, each one of them banned, I'd say it's [b]you
who has way too much time on his hands.Now go back to sucking on Bane and Sion's dicks, retard. [/B]
Who are you? GahLakTus's lover? lmao
also, please go back to school and learn how to spell. Oh, and by the way, I dont suck dicks, unlike you and your dad.
Thanks.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Wrong, Sidious' feats put him way above Nihilus in power. The fact that you don't use logic indicates that your logic is NOT actually logic, but logic according to Noobaris, otherwise known as utter stupidity.
No, they don't.
Nihilus is at a level of power where he doesn't perceive the universe like most beings do, and only Planets and Stars truly catch his attention. He's the closest thing to a true cosmic being in the SW Mythos.
His mere presence kills and bends beings to his will.
His destructive power is shown to be greater than that of any other, given he was able to quickly, with little effort, use a technique (which may not even have a defence aside of Sion's damage resistance) to wipe out the life of an entire planet (including a number of Jedi, the entire Miralakula Race minus 1, and even the vegetation of the planet). The same technique that was considered the greatest single Sith teaching, and the same one that he fully mastered the use of.
Before you go on about how he only possesses one technique, his TK is also at an extremely high level given he was able to lift an entire fleet of ships including the Ravager out of a Gravity Well. The same ship that he holds together, and moves through Hyperspace on the constant.
He keeps his crew alive, constantly.
In cut content, his mastery of the force is shown to be extremely considerable, given he's able to attack Sion with lightning, telekinesis, and his force connection sever ability all at once, and overpower the fuvk out of him.
He's shown to be able to effortlessly send Traya, a force titan on many levels to be sure, crashing down onto the floor with a mere gesture.
As for when he was actually defeated, looking at the circumstance behind the defeat still indicate an extreme level of power.
For one, he was, at the time, weak from not having feasted on any big source of energy to sustain his hunger. Secondly, he was, at the time, holding his ship together and keeping his crew alive.
Now, even when focusing on all of that, and severely weakened, he was able to stun the Jed Exile, Visas Marr, and Mandalore all at once, effortlessly.
He then went on to feed on the Exile, a wound in the force, and was further, weakened. Yet, he continued fighting the trio, and was doing so well that Visas still thought that he was too strong for them.
The circumstances indicate an extremely high level of power; he's SW's very own version of Galactus.
He might even be impossible to truly kill (aside from "starving"😉, given that when his physical body originally died, he transferred his consciousness into his armour, which might have even been what made him what he is. And as that (force wound), he can't even be sensed with the force, meaning that he might even be able to sneak up on someone like Sidious without them knowing.
And lastly, for the morons who'll claim that his knowledge of Sith Magic was limited to what he displays, he possessed an entire Holocron full of Sith knowledge.
Aside from the living planets out there, he's pretty much untouchable.
Originally posted by Darth_noodleI don't type with my mouth open biatch.
If you could actually read, i said mouth/FINGERS.your just a stupid fat loser that sits by the computer all day long LMAO. and "retarded kid"? LOL stop describing yourself please. Your so pitifull its sad lmao.
And how do you know i sit at the computer all day long you mother fu9ker? Unless your stalking me of course which is unlikely given our vast distances.
And how do you know im fat? When i have a mascular build?
And no, im not describing myself if you can actually comprehend what i typed, i was referring to you, a dumbass who registered on a forum just to attack people
Originally posted by Darth_noodleUh idiot, if you actually knew how to read he was referring to ultra omega AKA nebaris.
Who are you? GahLakTus's lover? lmao
also, please go back to school and learn how to spell. Oh, and by the way, I dont suck dicks, unlike you and your dad.Thanks.
Wow your way more stupid than i thought
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Uh idiot, if you actually knew how to read he was referring to ultra omega AKA nebaris.Wow your way more stupid than i thought
Ok, seriouslly, its not even worth it talking to you LOL.
It gets me so sad just knowing that their is a person in the world that is as immature, and idiotic as you.
Originally posted by Darth_noodleNope, though we all can safely assume you're Sion's and Bane's ***** lover, since the majority of your shitty excuse of posts back in this account and your other banned ones, consist of you sucking them off and giving your stupid ass to them. And BTW, you're supposed to capitalize the beginning of a sentence, dumbass. Looks like you're the one who needs to go back to school- oh wait, you're still in it, and riding the short bus.
Who are you? GahLakTus's lover? lmao
also, please go back to school and learn how to spell. Oh, and by the way, I dont suck dicks, unlike you and your dad.Thanks.
Now shut the hell up already, you retard. BTW, reported. Have a nice ban, N00baris jackass.
Originally posted by Darth_noodle
Ok, seriouslly, its not even worth it talking to you LOL.It gets me so sad just knowing that their is a person in the world that is as immature, and idiotic as you.
LOL how do you you talk to somebody on the internet? You don't, you type, what a tool.
Oh and im immature? Last i recall buddy, is that when i asked battlehammer or kamhal to shut up, you ATTACKED me first for no reason and under the LAW i have the right to retaliate.
So if it was anybody being a brat and immature, it was YOU. If you quit typing in the first place, HELL i wouldn't have even insulted you in the first place.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
No, they don't.Nihilus is at a level of power where he doesn't perceive the universe like most beings do, and only Planets and Stars truly catch his attention. He's the closest thing to a true cosmic being in the SW Mythos.
Oh. He is? You did of course notice that this is Kreia's personal oppinion about the way Nihilus might perceive the universe, right? That's as if I tell somebody else that you might like vanilla ice cream.
His destructive power is shown to be greater than that of any other, given he was able to quickly, with little effort, use a technique (which may not even have a defence aside of Sion's damage resistance) to wipe out the life of an entire planet (including a number of Jedi, the entire Miralakula Race minus 1, and even the vegetation of the planet). The same technique that was considered the greatest single Sith teaching, and the same one that he fully mastered the use of.
Welcome to "Noobs who don't know what they talking about - Part X²". Sidious was also capable of draining worlds completely. He did fed upon the life energy of the inhabitants of Byss in the Dark Empire Series. Ragnos sceptre was capable of draining force energy from certain places. The Sith that Thon faced on Ambria did turn the entire planet into a lifeless desert with a single pulse of dark side energy. Sidious force storms destroyed the surface of planets completely. And if you want to get technical, people in the SW mythos have used the force to blow entire sun-systems apart (Aleema Keto in "The Sith War"😉 even though they were using force aided technology.
And he mastered use of it? He had no control about this technique any longer. His hunger was driving him mad. You call that "mastery"? Sidious performed better on the same scale since Nihilus was pretty much mastered by this technique - not vice versa.
Before you go on about how he only possesses one technique, his TK is also at an extremely high level given he was able to lift an entire fleet of ships including the Ravager out of a Gravity Well. The same ship that he holds together, and moves through Hyperspace on the constant.
Sidious was capable of tearing entire fleets apart with his force storms. Yoda was capable of lifting all remains of the Jedi Temple on Ilum up (mind you - the thing had the size of a mountain) and that's the same Yoda who is basically equal to the RotS version of Sidious (who is quite a bit less powerful in comparison to his DE version).
He keeps his crew alive, constantly.
LMAO. This is a great feat. Because the only thing that threatens their life is he himself.
In cut content, his mastery of the force is shown to be extremely considerable, given he's able to attack Sion with lightning, telekinesis, and his force connection sever ability all at once, and overpower the fuvk out of him.
Obviously you managed to forget the "cut" in front of the "content" when you posted this sentence. In short: It doesn't matter what happens in some cut content as this is cut. Removed from continuity. Not existing in it. And aside of that little fact: The lightning that his shown appears to be some visible hint that Nihilus' attack is different from a regular force drain. Because it obviously doesn't affect anything specially (the lightning even extends to all sides - the officers standing right behind Sion don't seem to care). And using TK and a second force technique also isn't that impressive. Dooku for example was capable of lifting Obi-Wan (TK) while delivering a force aided kick in the direction of Anakin (which certainly required the use of precognition as well as some force-boost in the strength department). So what?
He's shown to be able to effortlessly send Traya, a force titan on many levels to be sure, crashing down onto the floor with a mere gesture.
Right. Using a technique that Kreia had no defence against. This is like praising somebody for being capable of shooting a stationary target (like a freaking skyscraper) from a distance of two metres. Kreia's force mastery didn't play any role here.
As for when he was actually defeated, looking at the circumstance behind the defeat still indicate an extreme level of power.
Yeah. Now what? It took two grandchildren of the force combining their powers to overcome DE Sidious. I think the Exile and Visas don't compare to Leia and Luke.
For one, he was, at the time, weak from not having feasted on any big source of energy to sustain his hunger. Secondly, he was, at the time, holding his ship together and keeping his crew alive.
Third. Nobody cares about excuses. He also was holding his ship together and didn't feat on any big source of energy before he did destroy the Miraluka's homeworld. He can do that but under the same circumstances isn't able to defeat his own apprentice, a non-force-user (Mandalore !) and some person who did just regain her force abilities some weaks before the confrontation? Visas and Mandalore - at the very least - shouldn't have survived this confrontation if Nihilus was as powerful as you think he was.
Now, even when focusing on all of that, and severely weakened, he was able to stun the Jed Exile, Visas Marr, and Mandalore all at once, effortlessly.
For about 2 seconds. Malak managed to stun Bastilla, Revan and Carth without much effort. Must be a force god. Wait. Exar Kun managed to stun several thousand beings without any effort. Shocking.
He then went on to feed on the Exile, a wound in the force, and was further, weakened. Yet, he continued fighting the trio, and was doing so well that Visas still thought that he was too strong for them.
*Yawn* DE Sidious would have killed the trio before the fight would even have started. At least Visas and Mandalore would have met an unpleasant end in the first seconds of the fight.
The circumstances indicate an extremely high level of power; he's SW's very own version of Galactus.
And you are this forum's very own version of a pathetic idiot.
He might even be impossible to truly kill (aside from "starving"😉, given that when his physical body originally died, he transferred his consciousness into his armour, which might have even been what made him what he is. And as that (force wound), he can't even be sensed with the force, meaning that he might even be able to sneak up on someone like Sidious without them knowing.
Oh my. Sidious had his body varporized in the reactor of his second Death Star and still managed to survived - in form of a spirit. Quite more impressive then keeping your spirit in your armor. And wounds in the force can be sensed. Quite well even, if I may at that. The wound in the force caused by the destruction of the second Death Star almost knocked Leia out when she did visit Endor for the next time.
And lastly, for the morons who'll claim that his knowledge of Sith Magic was limited to what he displays, he possessed an entire Holocron full of Sith knowledge.
This totally compares to all that Sidious had. Let me see: All holocrons that were stored in the Jedi Temple (he got access past RotS), several holocrons he gathered before and after (e.g. that of Vodo). The knowledge created by Bane's Order in thousand years (again originating partitially from Bane's holocron). At the force knowledge of different sects of force using cultists (e.g. the Falanassi). Really...but Nihilus had an entire holocron? Wow.
Aside from the living planets out there, he's pretty much untouchable.
Luke would kick his sorry ass across the place and so would DE Sidious. And he's so untouchable that his own apprentice, a non-force-user and the Exile did not only touch but kill him. Indeed Godlike.
Laughable.
You know borbarad nihilus never lifted any "fleets", that pile of crap came from tobin whom was not at malachor at the time when the ship alone was pulled out. Even the loading screen says n00baris is wrong.
Hell look at the other sith warships in the battle of telos and they don't show any exterior damage because if they really cam from the gravity well, they would have shown obvious damage to the hull. Im very sure its the ships who survived the jedi civil war, just as how the star destroyers survived after empire's end.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
You know borbarad nihilus never lifted any "fleets", that pile of crap came from tobin whom was not at malachor at the time when the ship alone was pulled out. Even the loading screen says n00baris is wrong.
Oh wow. What news.
Hell look at the other sith warships in the battle of telos and they don't show any exterior damage because if they really cam from the gravity well, they would have shown obvious damage to the hull. Im very sure its the ships who survived the jedi civil war, just as how the star destroyers survived after empire's end. [/B]
Well. The comment about "lifting" something does only apply to the Ravager and nothing else. He might have lifted the ship from Malachor V (Star Destroyers can take up to 20 Million G without suffering hull damage - just for your information). Still...who cares? Vader's apprentice was capable of tearing an ISD apart completely with TK - keeping it together should be an easier task. Especially considering that there wasn't so much to hold together at all...but well.
Still that doesn't even remotely compare to Sidious actions in that department. "Ravage space-time itself", anybody?
Originally posted by BorbaradWas that sarcasm really? Because i actually meant it for nebaris sorry.
Oh wow. What news.
Originally posted by BorbaradTrue, sidious outclasses nihilus in just about every aspect of the force, i don't see how nihilus is going to break the force bond of a superior force user.
Well. The comment about "lifting" something does only apply to the Ravager and nothing else. He might have lifted the ship from Malachor V (Star Destroyers can take up to 20 Million G without suffering hull damage - just for your information). Still...who cares? Vader's apprentice was capable of tearing an ISD apart completely with TK - keeping it together should be an easier task. Especially considering that there wasn't so much to hold together at all...but well.Still that doesn't even remotely compare to Sidious actions in that department. "Ravage space-time itself", anybody?
But if i may ask, that trailer where vaders apprentice yanked a star destroyer out of orbit, its canon right? And if so does that mean vader could do something familiar since he taught him?
Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh. He is? You did of course notice that this is Kreia's personal oppinion about the way Nihilus might perceive the universe, right?
Yes, he is. You did of course notice that this is the Game Developers' means with which to set up his level of power, right?
That's as if I tell somebody else that you might like vanilla ice cream.
And the award for weirdest comparison ever made goes to... Borbarad!
Welcome to "Noobs who don't know what they talking about - Part X²".
Is this actually supposed to be witty? Here's a suggestion; you want to insult someone on your level, go find Galactus. I'd say you were both on par as far as wit and intellect is concerned, so you might be able to relate to him.
Sidious was also capable of draining worlds completely.
Not completely, no. He drained an unknown amount of energy from Byss over extended periods of time, to sustain his old age. He was never able to completely drain it. The only thing that can be proven from what Sidious did, is that he possesses the ability to drain energy from planets. The amount of energy is completely unknown, meaning the feat proves nothing. Lovely for you to bring it up, though.
Not to mention, your comparison isn't even parallel to mine. Nihilus drained the life on a planet, not the planet itself. And, as you pointed out, he was holding his ship together at the same time, as well as keeping his crew alive. Not to mention that he had been moving it through Hyperspace just before, and was obviously not even at his full level of power, given the fact that he even went to drain the life force of the planet (he wouldn't have sought the energy out if he didn't hunger for the energy in the first place). Yet, he's able to wipe out all of the life in what is described as, "with a word," indicating no real effort needed on his part, as well as no real time necessary to do so.
So, to recap: Nihilus, when not even at his full level of power, after having used the force to quite a large degree, and whilst still using the force to an incredible degree, was able to effortlessly wipe out the life on an entire Planet (which contained the entire Miralakula race!) in what is clearly not much time at all.
That sheer level of power is unrivalled.
He did fed upon the life energy of the inhabitants of Byss in the Dark Empire Series.
Refer to the above. The degree to which he did so is completely unknown, and he wasn't severely weakened, nor using the force in excess on other tasks at the same time. Nor was he able to do so effortlessly in little time.
The feats don't compare in the slightest; as far as displays of power go, Nihilus is beyond Sidious by miles.
Ragnos sceptre was capable of draining force energy from certain places.
Wow, able to drain energy from certain places! I'm truly blown away by how much that argument proves. Draining force energy from certain places >>>>>>>>>>>> draining the force energy from an entire race, I guess, in a world where 1+1=-2382347893878478932843278.3279324.
Also, even if the argument you had just provided actually meant anything, I think you'll find I'd be the last person to not recognise the full merits of the Ancient Sith's technology.
The Sith that Thon faced on Ambria did turn the entire planet into a lifeless desert with a single pulse of dark side energy.
Yes, I know this, I've brought it up at least twice on this forum.
Still, doesn't even come close when examining the circumstances around what Nihilus was able to do, which I doubt you're even capable of doing.
Thon faced the spirit of that Ancient Sith, btw, not the Sith in her physical body.
Sidious force storms destroyed the surface of planets completely.
Still not comparing, and it doesn't prove anything when taking two facts into consideration:
1. Force Storms are useless in one-on-one battles, which is essentially what this forum deals with.
and
2. The force storms themselves are ritualistic in nature. The user simply focuses force energies into a certain part of their body, and the Force Storm is summoned. It's not even indicative of personal power given the ability is stated in canon to grant its user control over the storm.
Your point, like all of your others, proves nothing.
And if you want to get technical, people in the SW mythos have used the force to blow entire sun-systems apart (Aleema Keto in "The Sith War"😉 even though they were using force aided technology.
Exactly... They were using force aided technology, which essentially undermines their level of power big time. Again, I'm not one to not fully recognise the extent of power that the Ancient Sith's equipment could wield, but I really don't see what point you think you're supposed to be making here.
And he mastered use of it?
Yes, Traya states as much when talking about the ability. Her exact words, I remember not, but she mentions that Sion and the Sith assassins had only become slightly proficient with the ability, whereas Nihilus had mastered everything there was to it.
He had no control about this technique any longer. His hunger was driving him mad. You call that "mastery"?
His hunger =/= his ability. His hunger, was essentially a product of his mysterious nature. The technique was simply his answer to that. He used the technique to feed off of energy to sustain his hunger, which as I just said, was a product of him being a wound in the force. His nature and the ability that he mastered have no relation to each other.
Sidious performed better on the same scale since Nihilus was pretty much mastered by this technique - not vice versa.
Again, Nihilus' hunger =/= his technique, and Sidious performed a force drain to nowhere near the degree that Nihilus did.
Sidious was capable of tearing entire fleets apart with his force storms.
Still not comparing, and it doesn't prove anything when taking two facts into consideration:
1. Force Storms are useless in one-on-one battles, which is essentially what this forum deals with.
and
2. The force storms themselves are ritualistic in nature. The user simply focuses force energies into a certain part of their body, and the Force Storm is summoned. It's not even indicative of personal power given the ability is stated in canon to grant its user control over the storm.
Your point, like all of your others, proves nothing.
Yoda was capable of lifting all remains of the Jedi Temple on Ilum up (mind you - the thing had the size of a mountain) and that's the same Yoda who is basically equal to the RotS version of Sidious (who is quite a bit less powerful in comparison to his DE version).
And this compares to lifting an entire fleet from an area with a high level of gravity... how?