Originally posted by Bardock42yes, but I know from experience that you have said the pretty much the same thing to me when I asked a similar question in different threads. forget it.
Okay, disagree then. I don't ignore and disregard posts directed at me.Okay, the answer is "Yes".
so...what are we to do when a fire breaks out? what about controlling crime? are we supposed to sit back and let mayhem ensue?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah. Just explain it to me like I was a 5 year old.Btw, jobs like police officer and firefighter are not necessary. They make our lives safer and more comfortable, but so do most jobs. So, that's not really the argument. The truth is, people think that police officers should be respected because they risk their lives, not because they do a job that's makes our lives more comfortable.
Really, society would be the same without policeman and fireman?
If you can't see the difference between a waiter doing his job and a fireman doing his job, then you need to pull your head out of your ass too, along with anything else you have stashed in there.
They do a dangerous job, for which we live a safe(r) life under, that's the point. Like I said, being skydiving instructor is far more dangerous than being a cop (some areas aside), but a skydiving instructor isn't a necessary job for a society to function (as is) and people aren't benefiting from the safety that job provides. See the difference?
Originally posted by Robtardthey dont get it, Rob. OR...they DO get it and have nothing better to do than what they are doing.
Really, society would be the same without policeman and fireman?If you can't see the difference between a waiter doing his job and a fireman doing his job, then you need to pull your head out of your ass too, along with anything else you have stashed in there.
They do a dangerous job, for which we live a safe(r) life under, that's the point. Like I said, being skydiving instructor is far more dangerous than being a cop (some areas aside), but a skydiving instructor isn't a necessary job for a society to function (as is) and people aren't benefiting from the safety that job provides. See the difference?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, but I know from experience that you have said the pretty much the same thing to me when I asked a similar question in different threads. forget it.so...what are we to do when a fire breaks out? what about controlling crime? are we supposed to sit back and let mayhem ensue?
Nonsense.
We could do that, or we could form voluntary firefighting squads, militias, neighborhood watches, etc. They just aren't necessary. They make us more comfortable and maybe safe, but they are not necessary.
Originally posted by Bardock42sure, lets go with that.
Nonsense.We could do that, or we could form voluntary firefighting squads, militias, neighborhood watches, etc. They just aren't necessary. They make us more comfortable and maybe safe, but they are not necessary.
militia? neighborhood watches? 😆 OH MAN....that is good. tell me another one.
Originally posted by Robtard
Really, society would be the same without policeman and fireman?
No, but society wouldn't be the same without waiters either.
Originally posted by Robtard
If you can't see the difference between a waiter doing his job and a fireman doing his job, then you need to pull your head out of your ass too, along with anything else you have stashed in there.
There are differences, sure, just none that make it necessary that one of them has to be respected.
Originally posted by Robtard
They do a dangerous job, for which we live a safe(r) life under, that's the point. Like I said, being skydiving instructor is far more dangerous than being a cop (some areas aside), but a skydiving instructor isn't a necessary job for a society to function (as is) and people aren't benefiting from the safety that job provides. See the difference?
No. I think it is a difference people have been brainwashed to accept. People respect firefighters because people respect firefighters. A firefighter can be a dick and horrible at his job and I won't respect him/her because their job is dangerous. It might contribute, but still, blind respect is not something I subscribe to.
Originally posted by Bardock42you saying policemen and firefighters are not necessary is like listening to a drunken fourteen year old with ADD on acid babbling about how puberty sucks.
No. Talk like a grown up or stop talking. This is for debates, not your inane posts.
thats not an insult, BTW, its just a very accurate analogy.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, but society wouldn't be the same without waiters either.There are differences, sure, just none that make it necessary that one of them has to be respected.
No. I think it is a difference people have been brainwashed to accept. People respect firefighters because people respect firefighters. A firefighter can be a dick and horrible at his job and I won't respect him/her because their job is dangerous. It might contribute, but still, blind respect is not something I subscribe to.
You live a safer life because of them, you keep missing that fact.
Obviously the ones who are inept at their job or abuse their power (like the cop in the video) are exceptions. It's not "blind" respect, it's acknowledging that they're doing a job, a necessary job, which you live a safe(r) life under, simple as that.
Originally posted by RobtardI live a safer life because architects design stable and safe houses. I live a safer life cause road workers produce strong, intact roads. I live a more comfortable life because waiters take my orders and serve me politely. I live a safer, more comfortable life because managers steer their corporations in a way that creats economic strength, employment, etc.
You live a safer life because of them, you keep missing that fact.Obviously the ones who are inept at their job or abuse their power (like the cop in the video) are exceptions. It's not "blind" respect, it's acknowledging that they're doing a job, a necessary job, which you live a safe(r) life under, simple as that.
Every job has values and merits...it is very direct with firefighters and police officers, yes, but it is not worthy of respect automatically.
Originally posted by Rogue JediNo, it is not. I gave reasons. You did say nothing but trying to be funny and sarcastic. You can't reply to a well thought out post with multiple arguments with "HAHA, that's what you think", it's not valid. It makes you look childish. If you want to counter any of my points go ahead, but they are accurate. Firefighters and Policemen are not necessary, we can live without them.
you saying policemen and firefighters are not necessary is like listening to a drunken fourteen year old with ADD on acid babbling about how puberty sucks.thats not an insult, BTW, its just a very accurate analogy.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you saying policemen and firefighters are not necessary is like listening to a drunken fourteen year old with ADD on acid babbling about how puberty sucks.thats not an insult, BTW, its just a very accurate analogy.
No, it's not particularly good at all.
Don't accredit your own material, it's unbecoming.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I live a safer life because architects design stable and safe houses. I live a safer life cause road workers produce strong, intact roads. I live a more comfortable life because waiters take my orders and serve me politely. I live a safer, more comfortable life because managers steer their corporations in a way that creats economic strength, employment, etc.Every job has values and merits...it is very direct with firefighters and police officers, yes, but it is not worthy of respect automatically.
Fireman and policemen are not the only two professions which deserve a merit of respect (imo), I never implied that.
Yes, yes and yes we do and they are or could be necessary to society (as is)... you're still missing the point about those jobs being particularly dangerous.
Sure a waiter could slip and kill himself while bringing me my order; it's far less likely than a fireman dying while trying to rescue me from my burning house.
The point is, they applied for those jobs, if they can't do that job without losing control, then they shouldn't be doing it at all. There are plenty of people out there who could step into their shoes and do the job without losing it, we shouldn't just put up with injustice because the people who are committing it are under stress.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fireman and policemen are not the only two professions which deserve a merit of respect (imo), I never implied that.Yes, yes and yes we do and they are or could be necessary to society (as is)... you're still missing the point about those jobs being particularly dangerous.
Sure a waiter could slip and kill himself while bringing me my order; it's far less likely than a fireman dying while trying to rescue me from my burning house.
Yeah, but going by your assumptions all jobs deserve respect. In my opinion they do not. The people get money to do a job. They don't reserve respect for choosing any particular job from me. You can respect them for that, you choose what is worthy of respect for you. I am just saying there's no reason to blindly respect Police Officers for the cop they chose.
Because there are other jobs that are dangerous. To you choosing a job that is very dangerous and makes our live relatively safe and comfortable is worthy of respect, to me not. If you don't have any reasons why it should be worthy of respect always....well...then you are just wrong.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
The point is, they applied for those jobs, if they can't do that job without losing control, then they shouldn't be doing it at all. There are plenty of people out there who could step into their shoes and do the job without losing it, we shouldn't just put up with injustice because the people who are committing it are under stress.
Not sure if that was directed at me, but that isn't my point, giving 'carte blanche' to cops, simply because they're cops.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but going by your assumptions all jobs deserve respect. In my opinion they do not. The people get money to do a job. They don't reserve respect for choosing any particular job from me. You can respect them for that, you choose what is worthy of respect for you. I am just saying there's no reason to blindly respect Police Officers for the cop they chose.Because there are other jobs that are dangerous. To you choosing a job that is very dangerous and makes our live relatively safe and comfortable is worthy of respect, to me not. If you don't have any reasons why it should be worthy of respect always....well...then you are just wrong.
FFS... no, that isn't what I am saying.
Yes, I respect them (unless given reason not to, as the cop in this video) because they chose to do a job that is: A) Necessary b) Dangerous and C) Which I personally benefit from. Those are the reasons; which I have given repeatedly.