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I will venture this:

respecting someone who carries a gun, and either through personality characteristics or situational cues, may (I use may to describe the choice of the officer, not the justification of their action) use it on you is not a matter of necessity (re: you shouldn't just respect a cop because they are a cop) but of pragmatism (re: we all know cops abuse power when people lip off at them).

This whole debate seems to be waged between 2 sides who have a conception of how a perfect world would work. Police in a perfect world never would abuse their authority. Citizens will cooperate in a perfect world. In the world we live in, neither of those things happen all the time.

And I'll throw in with Bardock. My life is made immeasurably better by the existence of police (if not by the existence of some laws) but that benefit is not proof of its necessity. Were we to qualify it and say "police are necessary for..." there are many things I would have to say do rely on police, but they are not just abstractly necessary.

Originally posted by inimalist
I will venture this:

respecting someone who carries a gun, and either through personality characteristics or situational cues, may (I use may to describe the choice of the officer, not the justification of their action) use it on you is not a matter of necessity (re: you shouldn't just respect a cop because they are a cop) but of pragmatism (re: we all know cops abuse power when people lip off at them).

This whole debate seems to be waged between 2 sides who have a conception of how a perfect world would work. Police in a perfect world never would abuse their authority. Citizens will cooperate in a perfect world. In the world we live in, neither of those things happen all the time.

And I'll throw in with Bardock. My life is made immeasurably better by the existence of police (if not by the existence of some laws) but that benefit is not proof of its necessity. Were we to qualify it and say "police are necessary [b]for..." there are many things I would have to say do rely on police, but they are not just abstractly necessary. [/B]

Take some African countries as an example of what happens when lawlessness runs rampant and a lack of civil servants is abound. Now tell me they're not necessary to live as we live?

Granted, I can't prove it would happen the same in the U.S., Canada, Germany, U.K. etc., but reasonably thinking, we would be worse off than we are now.

Originally posted by Robtard
FFS... no, that isn't what I am saying.

Yes, I respect them (unless given reason not to, as the cop in this video) because they chose to do a job that is: A) Necessary b) Dangerous and C) Which I personally benefit from. Those are the reasons; which I have given repeatedly.

And I told you that most other jobs are necessary and we personally benefit from them too. And some are more dangerous. I do not base my respect on the job people choose, otherwise I'd respect hookers twenty times as much as police officers.

Highlight of the thread is RJ, with an enormous sense of relief, siding with Robtard. Because we all know he's just gonna stand behind him and say "YEA-UR! That's what I mean!".

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, you're ignoring that they are necessary jobs, true they are voluntary, but 'necessary' is the key ingredient.

Plumbers are necessary.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, you don't have to respect, but you should respect someone who does a dangerous and necessary job, of which you live a more comfortable life under, unless of course you feel your life would be as safe (or safer) if fireman, police etc. didn't exist.

I've never been in a fire, but that's besides the point.

Like I said, I appreciate what they do and how that allows me to live, I just do not respect them for it. It doesn't mean I think they're all deserving of getting murdered. You also have to respect that with a measure of common sense you can avoid needing the police. You cannot assume that going out and coming home without being harmed is because the police exist. There are as many criminals as their ever were.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you can't see the difference between a fireman etc. and a waiter or plumber as they function and affect society, than maybe you should leave? I never implied you meant "harm" to them, why go there.

Why on Earth should I leave? If you cannot understad the reason why I'm saying I don't respect them, if you cannot separate appreciation for respect, then maybe you should leave.

-AC

Originally posted by Robtard
Now tell me they're not necessary

unqualified statement

as a response to an unqualified statement, they are not necessary

Originally posted by Robtard
Now tell me they're not necessary to live as we live?

"to live as we live" is a qualifier, if ambiguous

yes, many facets of modern western democracies require an organized and government run force that would enforce law.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Highlight of the thread is RJ, with an enormous sense of relief, siding with Robtard. Because we all know he's just gonna stand behind him and say "YEA-UR! That's what I mean!".

Plumbers are necessary.

I've never been in a fire, but that's besides the point.

Like I said, I appreciate what they do and how that allows me to live, I just do not respect them for it. It doesn't mean I think they're all deserving of getting murdered.

Why on Earth should I leave? If you cannot understad the reason why I'm saying I don't respect them, if you cannot separate appreciation for respect, then maybe you should leave.

-AC

Bastard, you used me as a springboard.

Yes, they are; you're ignoring the other points.

Me neither.

Appreciation can be form "consideration". I never said or implied you thought they should be murdered, why do you keep bringingthat up.

It was rhetorical; I was returning the gesture, as I see it to be asinine to imply someone should leave.

Originally posted by inimalist
unqualified statement

as a response to an unqualified statement, they are not necessary

"to live as we live" is a qualifier, if ambiguous

yes, many facets of modern western democracies require an organized and government run force that would enforce law.

Oh, **** me... leave your pseudo-psycho-babble at the door. Just answer the question, or ignore it.

That would imply "necessity", to function as is.

Originally posted by Robtard
Bastard, you used me as a springboard.

Yes, they are; you're ignoring the other points.

Me neither.

Appreciation can be form "consideration". I never said or implied you thought they should be murdered, why do you keep bringingthat up.

It was rhetorical; I was returning the gesture, as I see it to be asinine to imply someone should leave.

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh, **** me... leave your pseudo-psycho-babble at the door. Just answer the question, or ignore it.

lol

excuse me for liking to be clear when I make a point

It avoids 5 pages of people arguing over a misinterpretation of the use of language.

and that would be pseudo-linguo-babble

Originally posted by Bardock42
Look, Rob, the problem you have here now is this, I am sure you have a decently sensible point, I disagree with it, but whatever, but you basically took over from RJs epitome of idiocy, so you are tainted by the shit he says, thinks or implies...and to him, everyone that doesn't respect cops a) should be tortured and killed and b) certainly wants all cops to be tortured and killed. It has to do with the inability to see grey...a tragic handicap.

See, now you're just beign an ass, implying that I'm blindly rallying behind RJ's point of view, when I didn't, my argument was far different than his.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

excuse me for liking to be clear when I make a point

It avoids 5 pages of people arguing over a misinterpretation of the use of language.

and that would be pseudo-linguo-babble

*farts*

Originally posted by Robtard
Bastard, you used me as a springboard.

Yes, they are; you're ignoring the other points.

Me neither.

Appreciation can be form "consideration". I never said or implied you thought they should be murdered, why do you keep bringingthat up.

It was rhetorical; I was returning the gesture, as I see it to be asinine to imply someone should leave.

Boing.

I'm not ignoring them, you're just not seeing mind. Because of the fact that it is voluntary, I don't respect them any more than I respect a plumber, simply because they could be in danger. I just don't see why I should. I appreciate that if I needed their help, they would help (Hahaha, arguably), but that's their job. I don't need to respect them for it.

The reason I keep bringing it up is because I want to make it clear that I have no ill feeling toward the police, I just don't respect them.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, it is not. I gave reasons. You did say nothing but trying to be funny and sarcastic. You can't reply to a well thought out post with multiple arguments with "HAHA, that's what you think", it's not valid. It makes you look childish. If you want to counter any of my points go ahead, but they are accurate. Firefighters and Policemen are not necessary, we can live without them.

If Policemen and firefighters arent necessary, and waiters arent necessary, what profession is?

It's that whole thing of respect has to be earned as far as I'm concerned. They do not earn my respect by filling out an application form, if they get the job, then willingly put themselves in danger, for money they still haven't earned my respect.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
It was mainly directed at RJ, and his blind belief of following authority for the sake of authority. sorry I should have quoted.

Originally posted by Robtard
See, now you're just beign an ass, implying that I'm blindly rallying behind RJ's point of view, when I didn't, my argument was far different than his.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
questioning authority is all well and good. trying to assume authority over an authoritive figure, thats a different story.

Who is doing that, though?

Your points all point to submitting unquestionably to a cop simply because he's a cop.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, lets try this another way: are plumbers necessary? what about heart surgeons? proctologists? bus drivers? taxi drivers?

If Policemen and firefighters arent necessary, and waiters arent necessary, what profession is?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
It's that whole thing of respect has to be earned as far as I'm concerned. They do not earn my respect by filling out an application form, if they get the job, then willingly put themselves in danger, for money they still haven't earned my respect.

what if it is YOU that a firefighter pulls from a burning? what if it is YOU whose life a cop saves?

do they earn your respect then?

and if not, what does someone have to do to earn your respect?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who is doing that, though?

Your points all point to submitting unquestionably to a cop simply because he's a cop.

-AC