Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I asked someone this question before, and I am sure your answer will be the same, but lets see....what if it is YOU that a firefighter pulls from a burning? what if it is YOU whose life a cop saves?
do they earn your respect then?
and if not, what does someone have to do to earn your respect?
That's their job, they earn nothing from me apart from tax money.
Genuine kindness and willingness to help, that's not based on rewards earns my respect. Not someone doing what they're paid to do.
Originally posted by chillmeistergenwillingness to help kinda goes hand in hand with being a firefighter. if they sign on to do a job where their life is on the line to protect others, it's pretty obvious that they want to help others.
That's their job, they earn nothing from me apart from tax money.Genuine kindness and willingness to help, that's not based on rewards earns my respect. Not someone doing what they're paid to do.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
hmm....so if you are in need of a prostate exam, who is to examine you? what about telephone repairmen? who is to repair phone lines when they go down?you gonna trust a "volunteer" proctologist to do your rectal rooting?
No, I would probably die if there weren't any. But that's a very good point, are, in your opinion, doctors more necessary than police officers?
Originally posted by Robtardyes, a cop cannot just walk up to you and arrest you. but the driver had broken the law and was busily making an ass of himself to the cop.
It's your constitutional right to refuse an unlawful arrest...
of course if a cop just walks up and says "hey John, you are under arrest", I am gonna demand to know why.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's no different than waiters who come home, pissed off and say "Get your own food, then.", on their blogs.Granted, no excuse for bad manners, but their job is to serve, and they knew that going in. They also knew that people would inevitably make it hard at some point, or they are naive.
Do not defend cops as if they are being hard done by. It's their job, to stop hostility, unless you believe every criminal is gonna go quietly.
Cops do not have the right to abuse their power. If you get into a fight and say "He provoked me.", they are not at liberty to REALLY cut you any slack for excessive forceful retaliation, they are not entitled to do the same.
You seem to have a soft spot for anyone who does any job that means they might get harmed, then used the defense of "They chose to do this, respect them.", no. They chose to do it, that's precisely why I do not feel sorry for them.
Maybe someone should post vids of people joining the police force and being briefed on what it requires, what could happen etc, seeing as you are posting vids of them dying. They didn't sign up to die, sure, but they signed up to unquestionably be in dangerous circumstances where death may occur.
-AC
Spot on!
I personally think that in this one case the Cop was having a bad day and for some reason took a disliking to this fella and game him some volts.
The Cop was wrong for these reasons:-
A: No reason to arrest him, refusing to sign a ticket isn´t against the law or a mega bad crime (speeding either).
B: He didn´t read the man his rights
C: He was under no physical threat whatsoever and therefore had NO grounds for excessive force. The driver wasn´t a bank robber or had a warrant out on him.
The Man was wrong for:-
A: annoying the cop??
Is that a crime?
Originally posted by Bardock42Doctors and Police officers are both in the business of saving lives, as are firefighters. they are all necessary in equal proportions.
No, I would probably die if there weren't any. But that's a very good point, are, in your opinion, doctors more necessary than police officers?
Originally posted by Bardock42no, not less necessary, they are all of equal importance.
What about road workers? Architects? Security guards? Security workers? What jobs do you see as less necessary?
they receive little or no critical acclaim for these jobs, but that doesnt make them less important or any less of a necessity.
Originally posted by Rogue JediHe said he wouldn't sign something. I figure he has the right to do that. Then he got asked out of the car, did go out of the car like the officer said, got a tazer pointed at him and screamed at to turn around, turned around asked what the hell is wrong with the officer, got screamed at again to turn around (yeah, that would be a 360) and got tasered with his back to the officer no sign he would run or attack.
yes, a cop cannot just walk up to you and arrest you. but the driver had broken the law and was busily making an ass of himself to the cop.of course if a cop just walks up and says "hey John, you are under arrest", I am gonna demand to know why.
Originally posted by Bardock42I have acknowledged several times this cop was out of line.
He said he wouldn't sign something. I figure he has the right to do that. Then he got asked out of the car, did go out of the car like the officer said, got a tazer pointed at him and screamed at to turn around, turned around asked what the hell is wrong with the officer, got screamed at again to turn around (yeah, that would be a 360) and got tasered with his back to the officer no sign he would run or attack.
I also pointed that if the driver hadn't decided to assume authority over the cop, he wouldnt have gotten tased.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, a cop cannot just walk up to you and arrest you. but the driver had broken the law and was busily making an ass of himself to the cop.of course if a cop just walks up and says "hey John, you are under arrest", I am gonna demand to know why.
I'm having d'eja vu' from the other "taser" thread... repeat, "being an ass" is not grounds for a cop to taser you. If so, then a cop could taser you because you called him/her a "fatty", would you agree with that as being justification?
Originally posted by Bardock42Necessary to provide us with the quality of life we curently enjoy. they maintain roads we travel, they design buildings we live in, they take out our trash. They protect us while we sleep and provide 24 hour surveillance on their assigned post.
What does that less necessary mean to you. Necessary for what?
Originally posted by Robtardhow many times do I have to say that this particular cop was out of line?
I'm having d'eja vu' from the other "taser" thread... repeat, "being an ass" is not grounds for a cop to taser you. If so, then a cop could taser you because you called him/her a "fatty", would you agree with that as being justification?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Necessary to provide us with the quality of life we curently enjoy. they maintain roads we travel, they design buildings we live in, they take out our trash. They protect us while we sleep and provide 24 hour surveillance on their assigned post.
Sounds like you're describing the Witness Protection Program.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I also pointed that if the driver hadn't decided to assume authority over the cop, he wouldnt have gotten tased.
Just my opinion...
I do not think the driver was trying to assume control over the cop at all, I think the driver was getting angry because the cop would not answer the questions he was asking.
Originally posted by Rogue JediIf the cop hadn't chosen to stop him he wouldn't have gotten tased. If the guy had decided to beat the cop hard on the head when he turned his back on him he wouldn't have tased. If a million things had happened he wouldn't have gotten tased. But the action that lastly made it happen, was this **** of a cop pointing the taser at him and shooting it.
I have acknowledged several times this cop was out of line.I also pointed that if the driver hadn't decided to assume authority over the cop, he wouldnt have gotten tased.