The Latest sad "Tazering"

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't think anyone is saying that the cop acted according to how we, in a perfect world, would want him to.

Yet, I would contend that deliberately disobeying a police officer, whether they are in the right or wrong, should count as "trying to assert control".

I would like to know where you guys are from, because it seems there that a cop yelling "Get on the ground and put your hands behind your back" where you're from is more of a "please and thank you" thing...

I'm from California.

And it has nothing to do with a perfect world. It has to do with was there good reason for this guy to be tasered -- As in, is asking "Why was I pulled over" and "How fast was I going" and trying to prove that there was no sign, and recoiling when someone seemingly randomly and without warning pulls a harmful device on you, is valid means to tase someone according to normal police protocol.

It's nothing to do with a please and thank you thing. The guy wanted to know exactly what he did wrong before being arrested, it is the officers DUTY to inform him. It's also his duty to give warning before using a taser, and also his duty not to lie to another officer when speaking of what happened.

You said "duty" (doody) 3 times in that post. Fecal freak!

I'm horny.

Originally posted by BackFire
More importantly, it could have been avoided had the cop does his job properly, and told the man how fast he was going, and more importantly, warned the man that he was going to use a taser, as is common procedure. The guy was just standing there trying to talk to the cop and understand what was going on. That's not against the law.

The guy wasn't trying to assert control, he was asking completely fair questions. Yes, he began stepping back a bit when the cop pulled the taser because it's freaking human reaction to recoil when there's something that can cause pain pointed at you, especially if it's without warning, like this one was.

as said earlier, a cops job is to stay in control. once dude tried to supercedes the cops authority, HE made the situation worse.

I'll say again that the cop was wrong, and I'll also say again that the incident was brought about because of the drivers insistence at being an *******.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It's not just one bad apple, with cops though. With them, damn-near half the barrel is spoiled.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Looks like the US cops like shocking people, won´t be going there on holiday.😱

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8RmXu6FaeY
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/video-driver-tased-for-asking-why-he-was-stopped/1815/

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand everyone ignores the vids I posted of cops being killed in the line of duty. talk about tunnel vision.

Because they don't have anything to do with the thread.

And he didn't try to do anything except explain himself, and try and understand why the cop was giving him a ticket.

Originally posted by BackFire
Because they don't have anything to do with the thread.

And he didn't try to do anything except explain himself, and try and understand why the cop was giving him a ticket.

to not acknowledge them as relevant is to rule out all possibilities.

They're not relevant because that's no excuse to abuse their powers.

Just because there's a lot of assholes out there doesn't mean that cops have the right to treat GOOD people like assholes or criminals.

To not acknowledge them as relevant is perfectly logical, since they don't actually have anything to do with the case being discusses in this thread.

Originally posted by BackFire
They're not relevant because that's no excuse to abuse their powers.

Just because there's a lot of assholes out there doesn't mean that cops have the right to treat GOOD people like assholes or criminals.

To not acknowledge them as relevant is perfectly logical, since they don't actually have anything to do with the case being discusses in this thread.

Nothing.

It's completely within his right to challenge the ticket and refuse to sign for it if he doesn't agree with it. It's NOT within the cops right to taser a guy without warning for trying to explain himself.

Not saying the guy handled it in the best possible way, just that there was no reasonable grounds to taser him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
when people start bashing all cops because of the actions of a few, the vids are entirely relevant, it shows what cops have to put upmwith and why they are on razors edge every second of their work day.

to not acknowledge them as relevant is to rule out all possibilities.

It's no different than waiters who come home, pissed off and say "Get your own food, then.", on their blogs.

Granted, no excuse for bad manners, but their job is to serve, and they knew that going in. They also knew that people would inevitably make it hard at some point, or they are naive.

Do not defend cops as if they are being hard done by. It's their job, to stop hostility, unless you believe every criminal is gonna go quietly.

Cops do not have the right to abuse their power. If you get into a fight and say "He provoked me.", they are not at liberty to REALLY cut you any slack for excessive forceful retaliation, they are not entitled to do the same.

You seem to have a soft spot for anyone who does any job that means they might get harmed, then used the defense of "They chose to do this, respect them.", no. They chose to do it, that's precisely why I do not feel sorry for them.

Maybe someone should post vids of people joining the police force and being briefed on what it requires, what could happen etc, seeing as you are posting vids of them dying. They didn't sign up to die, sure, but they signed up to unquestionably be in dangerous circumstances where death may occur.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's no different than waiters who come home, pissed off and say "Get your own food, then.", on their blogs.

Granted, no excuse for bad manners, but their job is to serve, and they knew that going in. They also knew that people would inevitably make it hard at some point, or they are naive.

Do not defend cops as if they are being hard done by. It's their job, to stop hostility, unless you believe every criminal is gonna go quietly.

Cops do not have the right to abuse their power. If you get into a fight and say "He provoked me.", they are not at liberty to REALLY cut you any slack for excessive forceful retaliation, they are not entitled to do the same.

You seem to have a soft spot for anyone who does any job that means they might get harmed, then used the defense of "They chose to do this, respect them.", no. They chose to do it, that's precisely why I do not feel sorry for them.

Maybe someone should post vids of people joining the police force and being briefed on what it requires, what could happen etc, seeing as you are posting vids of them dying. They didn't sign up to die, sure, but they signed up to unquestionably be in dangerous circumstances where death may occur.

-AC

Abso-bloody-exactly.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's no different than waiters who come home, pissed off and say "Get your own food, then.", on their blogs.

Granted, no excuse for bad manners, but their job is to serve, and they knew that going in. They also knew that people would inevitably make it hard at some point, or they are naive.

Do not defend cops as if they are being hard done by. It's their job, to stop hostility, unless you believe every criminal is gonna go quietly.

Cops do not have the right to abuse their power. If you get into a fight and say "He provoked me.", they are not at liberty to REALLY cut you any slack for excessive forceful retaliation, they are not entitled to do the same.

You seem to have a soft spot for anyone who does any job that means they might get harmed, then used the defense of "They chose to do this, respect them.", no. They chose to do it, that's precisely why I do not feel sorry for them.

Maybe someone should post vids of people joining the police force and being briefed on what it requires, what could happen etc, seeing as you are posting vids of them dying. They didn't sign up to die, sure, but they signed up to unquestionably be in dangerous circumstances where death may occur.

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire
Nothing.

It's completely within his right to challenge the ticket and refuse to sign for it if he doesn't agree with it. It's NOT within the cops right to taser a guy without warning for trying to explain himself.

Not saying the guy handled it in the best possible way, just that there was no reasonable grounds to taser him.

if a cop pulls a tazer on you and tells you to put your hands behind your back, even though you did nothing, what woudly you do?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so by signing up for the situations you stated, in which they MAY be killed in the line of duty, wouldn't you say that they are more likely to fly off the handle far easier than say, a convenience store clerk?

I don't know how likely either situation is, too many variables.

What you seem to ALWAYS revert to, as you are now, is finding justification for cops losing their minds momentarily. I am not saying humans aren't capable of it, or incapable of being pushed too far.

My point is, if you cannot control that as a cop, where your job IS to remain calm, if only on the outside, in an effort to do a better, fairer job, then you simply should not be a cop. If you sign up knowing you cannot control it, and knowing you have a threshold that will likely be broken, then you are a psychopath who is honestly looking for a way to get away with a fight, as I'll now prove:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
the driver could have taken preventative actions to avoid the taze.

If the cop recognised it wasn't necessary to tase the man, the man wouldn't have been tased either.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
if a cop pulls a tazer on you and tells you to put your hands behind your back, even though you did nothing, what woudly you do?

It doesn't matter. Look at what you JUST said, RJ.

"if a cop pulls a tazer on you and tells you to put your hands behind your back, even though you did nothing".

That is threat of abuse of power.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't know how likely either situation is, too many variables.

What you seem to ALWAYS revert to, as you are now, is finding justification for cops losing their minds momentarily. I am not saying humans aren't capable of it, or incapable of being pushed too far.

My point is, if you cannot control that as a cop, where your job IS to remain calm, if only on the outside, in an effort to do a better, fairer job, then you simply should not be a cop. If you sign up knowing you cannot control it, and knowing you have a threshold that will likely be broken, then you are a psychopath who is honestly looking for a way to get away with a fight.

-AC

It's not the citizens job to do all this shit to ensure that he isn't unjustly tased, it's the cops job to not unjustly tase people.

Honestly I'd probably recoil like that guy did, since there was zero warning at all. That's why he got tased, for his perfectly natural human response to perceived danger. And this happened because the cop botched the entire thing.

And the answer to your question about the clerk, RJ, is simple. Yes, a cop is probably more likely to fly off the handle. That doesn't make it any more acceptable. Just shows that guy probably shouldn't be a cop.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so by signing up for the situations you stated, in which they MAY be killed in the line of duty, wouldn't you say that they are more likely to fly off the handle far easier than say, a convenience store clerk?

Should that make it acceptable? A doctor is far more likely to come over with a case of jitter hands in the middle of an operation, than a jockey, does this mean they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions?

A person should only enter employment knowing the risks, if they enter not knowing, it's their problem, if they enter knowing and still fvck up - it's still their problem.

If a member of the police force decides to one day go over the top and intentionally harm someone, they should be dealt with like everyone else.