Shan Chi, Karnak, Puck vs Batgirl, Ironfist, Sabretooth

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Incorrect, so basically his entire connective tissues, skeletal structure, basically his entire body was compressed but not his organs? *snickers* Yeah they are, especially compared to a to a over 6 person to a 3'6" which Puck was. Actually they would as the sheer force of the fall would rattle his organs basically making his organs mush as his skin couldn't absorb the entire kinetic energy. Even a sudden stop in velocity can kill people without even hitting the ground due to organs basically becoming ruptured from the sudden change of force ie. Gwen Stacy effect.

Skeletal structure, yes due to them being shorter. Like i said before, his organs may be slightliy different. If they are being compressed as well, its nothing like his outter skin being compressed. A drarfs organs arent much different in size from a man whith regular height. I dont think the force of a fall would rattle his bodys organs at all due to his insides probably not being effected because of the toughness of his skin. It would be nothing like the Gwen Stacy effect because Gwens neck snapped because of the sudden jerk. Im sure her organs were not effected.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Skeletal structure, yes due to them being shorter. Like i said before, his organs may be slightliy different. If they are being compressed as well, its nothing like his outter skin being compressed. A drarfs organs arent much different in size from a man whith regular height. I dont think the force of a fall would rattle his bodys organs at all due to his insides probably not being effected because of the toughness of his skin. It would be nothing like the Gwen Stacy effect because Gwens neck snapped because of the sudden jerk. Im sure her organs were not effected.

They would definetly be different, but people actually saying Sabretooth will merely stick his hand down Puck's mouth and using that as a point he would win? Oooook. Even if you ignore the fact catching Puck is going to be a feat itself, how is he even going to reach down to his organs? Depends on the little person, as some no, others there is a drastic change. Puck's not a normal dwarf due to Razzar though. No her organs would be messed as well, as they would have literally tore from their seated locations and collided with the rest of her organs. It's basically slamming into a brick wall, they definetly would have been effected.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm certainly not aware of said type of dwarfism - do you know the medical nomenclature? The only types I've ever heard of are bone disorders. The only affect that said disorder can have on the organs is due to the shrunken thoracic cavity and skull - and it doesn't happen in all cases, only some.

Further; where did I indicate that someone could not die from having organs too large or too small. I was merely pointing out that the affect that dwarfism has on organs is minimal at best, and is entirely indirect in nature.

Bottom of the page, it seems to have been missed.

Sabs has caught Spider-man by the throat with minimal effort... is it such a stretch to assume he could catch Puck? I mean Wolverine has traded blows with Puck with out difficulty, and Sabretooth is faster then Logan is... so... yeah.

like the point out Logan has cut mister fantastic before if not mistaken in a cross over between the two teams.

also colossus thing is pritty dam dabatable. Seeing as how colossus on a number of occassions has stated his fear of Logans claws.

also like to point out that wolverine has never been stated as peak human on pannel. How ever he has been stated as enchanced human as well as many other things that clearly implied inhuman strength. He also over powered two meta humans at once oth of which has super strength by him self.

Without adamantium, I think Sabertooth would lose to Puck after a dragged out fight. With it, the battle could go either way.

Between Shang and IF, I think they would probably stalemate each other. There's really nothing solid to suggest either is the superior martial artist.

Finally, if Karnak took on Batgirl, I'd say the latter wins after some decent effort.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
like the point out Logan has cut mister fantastic before if not mistaken in a cross over between the two teams.

also colossus thing is pritty dam dabatable. Seeing as how colossus on a number of occassions has stated his fear of Logans claws.

It doesn't get much more direct than that, lest you want the writer to actually put down the words "Wolverine can cut Colossus."

😐.

Originally posted by GenoBreaker
Without adamantium, I think Sabertooth would lose to Puck after a dragged out fight. With it, the battle could go either way.

Between Shang and IF, I think they would probably stalemate each other. There's really nothing solid to suggest either is the superior martial artist.

Finally, if Karnak took on Batgirl, I'd say the latter wins after some decent effort.

But there is plenty to suggest that Danny has better feats of chi.

Originally posted by Soljer
Colossus isn't debatable. The omniscient narrator tells us specifically that Colossus' organic steel is no match for pure adamantium.

It doesn't get much more direct than that, lest you want the writer to actually put down the words "Wolverine can cut Colossus."

😐.

Originally posted by Soljer
But there is plenty to suggest that Danny has better feats of chi.

I heard shang-chi got upgraded as well is this true?

shang-chi has some crazy feats as well.

The debate between Logan and Colossus wasnt so much "IF" Adamantium can cut Colossus, but rather "CAN" Logan apply enough force to cut him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The debate between Logan and Colossus wasnt so much "IF" Adamantium can cut Colossus, but rather "CAN" Logan apply enough force to cut him.

well given how colossus has openly shown fear of Logans claws would imply colossus thinks so.

Shang has done some pretty crazy stuff. Danny certainly has shown to be more versatile with his use of chi abilities... but Shang has only demonstrated a few different abilities while alluding (and flat out stating) to a wider inventory of techniques. Who can say what he is capable of?

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Originally posted by Soljer
I'm certainly not aware of said type of dwarfism - do you know the medical nomenclature? The only types I've ever heard of are bone disorders. The only affect that said disorder can have on the organs is due to the shrunken thoracic cavity and skull - and it doesn't happen in all cases, only some.

Further; where did I indicate that someone could not die from having organs too large or too small. I was merely pointing out that the affect that dwarfism has on organs is minimal at best, and is entirely indirect in nature.

I'll have to look through my Pre: Health books, or possibly ask my mother [cool I know] as she is a nurse. I know one disorder with the smaller cavity the organs didn't develop fully due "growing" in an enclosed space.

Which like I said depends on the individual as some dwarfs do not have a large lifespan as their tiny bodies can't deal with their normal functions. Some can live a complete and full life, while others a vastly shorter life

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sabs has caught Spider-man by the throat with minimal effort... is it such a stretch to assume he could catch Puck? I mean Wolverine has traded blows with Puck with out difficulty, and Sabretooth is faster then Logan is... so... yeah.

No, as even people slower then Sabz have caught and defeated Spider-Man. As fast as he is, he doesn't have the combat speed of the likes of Brass Bishop, Sabretooth, Wolverine, Captain America, etc. However, Puck has that experience and Puck has that skill. Even classic Puck was dodging attacks from a being who easily caught Northstar & Aurora with no problem. No Wolverine has never traded blows with Puck, the only time was when he was brain washed and they didn't actually trade blows as seemed the entire AF team were fighting like fools. Even Storm comments they were fighting like they were brain washed..which they were.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
like the point out Logan has cut mister fantastic before if not mistaken in a cross over between the two teams.

also colossus thing is pritty dam dabatable. Seeing as how colossus on a number of occassions has stated his fear of Logans claws.

He also failed to cut him in Enemy of the State

As of yet he has yet to actually do significant damage like he did to Thing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
also like to point out that wolverine has never been stated as peak human on pannel. How ever he has been stated as enchanced human as well as many other things that clearly implied inhuman strength. He also over powered two meta humans at once oth of which has super strength by him self.

I do think Wolverine does have superhuman strength from his feats he has done. Not saying otherwise

Originally posted by jrodslam
The debate between Logan and Colossus wasnt so much "IF" Adamantium can cut Colossus, but rather "CAN" Logan apply enough force to cut him.

Correct.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

He also failed to cut him in Enemy of the State

As of yet he has yet to actually do significant damage like he did to Thing.

I do think Wolverine does have superhuman strength from his feats he has done. Not saying otherwise

actaully mister fantatsic kept exspanding his body so Logan could not cut him. If he ahd not done that he would have been cut.

Logan only tried to cut colossus once. He did a rake with a terriale angle which would only allow for superficial damage and he was mind controled. Colossus as shown complete fear of Logans claws and in a similation if not mistaken colossus was shown cut Logan.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully mister fantatsic kept exspanding his body so Logan could not cut him. If he ahd not done that he would have been cut.

Logan only tried to cut colossus once. He did a rake with a terriale angle which would only allow for superficial damage and he was mind controled. Colossus as shown complete fear of Logans claws and in a similation if not mistaken colossus was shown cut Logan.

If you read my other posts we actually discussed this a few pages ago, as even Walter mentioned Puck could do the similar ability at the end of vol.1 adding to his invulnerability

Yet, we don't know if he could "plunge" his claws like he did against like say he did against the Thing.

Sidenote for anyone: Who was that invulnerable person with the spikes on his arms, and was a leader of a clan and tossed Wolverine off a cliff?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
If you read my other posts we actually discussed this a few pages ago, as even Walter mentioned Puck could do the similar ability at the end of vol.1 adding to his invulnerability

Yet, we don't know if he could "plunge" his claws like he did against like say he did against the Thing.

Sidenote for anyone: Who was that invulnerable person with the spikes on his arms, and was a leader of a clan and tossed Wolverine off a cliff?

really and when has puck shown this aility? never to my knowledge.

he never tried though the real colossus seem to get pritty cut up by a mere similation of Logan if not mistaken. I will have to look it up.

has sidenote ever shown to be cut or damaged before? I mean adam of clan destine can no be cut by wolverine becuases he actaully undamagable.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
really and when has puck shown this aility? never to my knowledge.

He never tried though the real colossus seem to get pritty cut up by a mere similation of Logan if not mistaken. I will have to look it up.

has sidenote ever shown to be cut or damaged before? I mean adam of clan destine can no be cut by wolverine becuases he actaully undamagable.

End of vol.1, not on the level of Mr.Fantastic of course. I'll be redoing and updating the AF character threads as I sort of gave up due to lack of interest.

I don't know, I have been trying to remember who he is. It wasn't Adam though, the guy was pretty much a shirtless goon with spikes in his arms.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shang has done some pretty crazy stuff. Danny certainly has shown to be more versatile with his use of chi abilities... but Shang has only demonstrated a few different abilities while alluding (and flat out stating) to a wider inventory of techniques. Who can say what he is capable of?

Feats can. 😐.