Originally posted by quanchi112the retcon was an event, everything before the retcon was preretcon.
Indeed I cant believe some are stil trying to argue that even though it is specified that its preretcon that we have to count the retcon anyways.😆
Whoever a retcon etablishes that the way they are after the retcon is the way they always were.
Spiderman beat Firelord. It was depicted on panel.
MM beating LT is in the same vein.
Originally posted by quanchi112When the story of Spiderman fighting firelord came out it was established in that story that Spiderman was stronger than firelord.
Yes he was and master told you that was well. When this story came out MM was more powerful and Lt hasnt grown in power since then. Its not that complicated.
LT didn't change, and the retcon just established that MM actually wasn't above LT. That's the nature of a retcon.
Originally posted by CreshoskI dont see it that way. In fact Id say that since nobody has proven that Lt is more powerful than cl;assic MM then we take that Lt then just in your case.
the retcon was an event, everything before the retcon was preretcon.Whoever a retcon etablishes that the way they are after the retcon is the way they always were.
Spiderman beat Firelord. It was depicted on panel.
MM beating LT is in the same vein.
The MM of that story vs the Lt of that story so they both exist, who wins?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes he was and master told you that was well. When this story came out MM was more powerful and Lt hasnt grown in power since then. Its not that complicated.
Master didn't tell me anything. He dead wrong. Period.
If I have a dream that I beat Mike tyson. And then I wake up and find out mike tyson beats my ass. Then I make a thread that says, me in my dream, versus mike tyson in real life, What do you have?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWho dreamed about the secret wars? Tell me who had this dream?
Master didn't tell me anything. He dead wrong. Period.If I have a dream that I beat Mike tyson. And then I wake up and find out mike tyson beats my ass. Then I make a thread that says, me in my dream, versus mike tyson in real life, What do you have?
Oh and just for the record leave Mr Mike Tyson alone hes in enough trouble as it is.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Master didn't tell me anything. He dead wrong. Period.If I have a dream that I beat Mike tyson. And then I wake up and find out mike tyson beats my ass. Then I make a thread that says, me in my dream, versus mike tyson in real life, What do you have?
A rapist ear biter?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Master didn't tell me anything. He dead wrong. Period.If I have a dream that I beat Mike tyson. And then I wake up and find out mike tyson beats my ass. Then I make a thread that says, me in my dream, versus mike tyson in real life, What do you have?
Secret Wars was not a dream,
that's never been mentioned or illustrated or depicted anywhere at any time ever.
Beyonder erased 616 Death ... and its canon to this day.
It was the totality of Death then, and its the totality of Death now.
Originally posted by quanchi112Nobody's saying that the story doesn't exist.
I dont see it that way. In fact Id say that since nobody has proven that Lt is more powerful than cl;assic MM then we take that Lt then just in your case.The MM of that story vs the Lt of that story so they both exist, who wins?
But that's what a retcon is. it ISN'T a change its a reveal of information.
Like when The Dark Phoenix character was retconned into being a seperate entity from the real Jean. It meant that the phoenix that appeared in Uncanny 101 and was around for a period of time wasn't actually Jean. Jean was put in suspended animation at the bottom of the ocean when Phoenix first emerged. The phoenix who became dark phoenix and devoured a sun was never the real Jean due to the retcon.
Same with Wolverine and the hulk, initially he couldn't cut the hulk, the retcon revealed that the hulk was actually just healing too fast.
And this. the retcon reveals that Beyonder and MM man were never actually over LT...
Originally posted by CreshoskThis is all to silly to me. before the retcon he was more powerful but after it he wasnt. To me its that simple.
Nobody's saying that the story doesn't exist.But that's what a retcon is. it ISN'T a change its a reveal of information.
Like when The Dark Phoenix character was retconned into being a seperate entity from the real Jean. It meant that the phoenix that appeared in Uncanny 101 and was around for a period of time wasn't actually Jean. Jean was put in suspended animation at the bottom of the ocean when Phoenix first emerged. The phoenix who became dark phoenix and devoured a sun was never the real Jean due to the retcon.
Same with Wolverine and the hulk, initially he couldn't cut the hulk, the retcon revealed that the hulk was actually just healing too fast.
And this. the retcon reveals that Beyonder and MM man were never actually over LT...
Originally posted by Mr Master
Secret Wars was not a dream,
that's never been mentioned or illustrated or depicted anywhere at any time ever.Beyonder erased 616 Death ... and its canon to this day.
It was the totality of Death then, and its the totality of Death now.
Doesn't matter. You get my analogy. The events as depicted in the secret wars where changed. Not true. The beyonder was never superior to the LT. My dream analogy is a perfect way to pull the covers on this really silly ruse.
Me In my dream, vs. Mike tyson in real life.
Or
Me Pre awake vs. Mike Tyson awake.
Mike tyson awake never experienced me beating him in my dream did he?
Much like the LT never experienced the Beyonder or Classic Mm being superior to him.
You can't get much clearer than that dear. I win. Case is closed.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlBut this time the Beyonder just plain told him what was happening. he interervened with the Protege as well becuz of the threat that he posed when he hadnt done a thing yet.
Why doesn't the LT stop ever omniversal threat or multiversal threat that comes along? He didn't stop abraxas, Or wanda?
Originally posted by CreshoskDont know but for LT to just sit there and for this being to have been described to be as powerful as he was tells me hes just to powerful for the Lt to do anything about it at the time.
Why did firelord do nothing to stop spiderman?Why did Hulk do nothing to stop Captain America or Spiderman?
Originally posted by quanchi112And Spiderman is too powerful for Firelord or Hulk?
Dont know but for LT to just sit there and for this being to have been described to be as powerful as he was tells me hes just to powerful for the Lt to do anything about it at the time.
It's the SMvFL rule. Sometimes characters are portrayed in feats that are ac tually beyond their abilites.
They're not admisible in these debates as evidence as PIS is also restricted.
Now all this "Pre-retcon" hype is built up over one or two stories. Which ignores the retcon and the rules of the forum.