Classic MM vs. CURRENT LT

Originally posted by Creshosk
And Spiderman is too powerful for Firelord or Hulk?

It's the SMvFL rule. Sometimes characters are portrayed in feats that are ac tually beyond their abilites.

They're not admisible in these debates as evidence as PIS is also restricted.

Now all this "Pre-retcon" hype is built up over one or two stories. Which ignores the retcon and the rules of the forum.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nobody's saying that the story doesn't exist.

But that's what a retcon is. it ISN'T a change its a reveal of information.

Like when The Dark Phoenix character was retconned into being a seperate entity from the real Jean. It meant that the phoenix that appeared in Uncanny 101 and was around for a period of time wasn't actually Jean. Jean was put in suspended animation at the bottom of the ocean when Phoenix first emerged. The phoenix who became dark phoenix and devoured a sun was never the real Jean due to the retcon.

Same with Wolverine and the hulk, initially he couldn't cut the hulk, the retcon revealed that the hulk was actually just healing too fast.

And this. the retcon reveals that Beyonder and MM man were never actually over LT...

Originally posted by quanchi112
But if it says preretcon they can get around those rules.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Plus Spiderman hanging with Firelord is really different than the Beyonder of this story beating on the Lt.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter. You get my analogy. The events as depicted in the secret wars where changed. Not true. The beyonder was never superior to the LT. My dream analogy is a perfect way to pull the covers on this really silly ruse.

Me In my dream, vs. Mike tyson in real life.

Or

Me Pre awake vs. Mike Tyson awake.

Mike tyson awake never experienced me beating him in my dream did he?

Much like the LT never experienced the Beyonder or Classic Mm being superior to him.
You can't get much clearer than that dear. I win. Case is closed.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Until you have a valid source backing up your made up definition of retcon, all your posts fail. 🙂

Originally posted by Air Legend
Until you have a valid source backing up your made up definition of retcon, all your posts fail. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Epic fail. You used Wikipedia. the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. 🙂

Originally posted by Air Legend
Better than making up the definition 😉

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_%28comics%29

"during the Acts of Vengeance storyline in Uncanny X-Men. Emma Frost stated that Jubilee had unlimited potential and was one of the most powerful mutants she had ever encountered."

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, using wikipedia is EXACTLY like making up a definition. 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_%28comics%29

"during the Acts of Vengeance storyline in Uncanny X-Men. Emma Frost stated that Jubilee had unlimited potential and was one of the most powerful mutants she had ever encountered."

Originally posted by Air Legend
Oh so now you're confirming that we both made up the definition of retcon?

Just proving that wikipedia is not a vlaid source of information. 😉

Wiki's fail:
http://en.marveldatabase.com/index.php?title=Jonathan_Richards_%28Earth-967%29&diff=321325&oldid=263905

I know its not wikipedia, its a wiki.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nope. doped

Just proving that wikipedia is not a vlaid source of information. 😉

Wiki's fail:
http://en.marveldatabase.com/index.php?title=Jonathan_Richards_%28Earth-967%29&diff=321325&oldid=263905

I know its not wikipedia, its a wiki.

Originally posted by Air Legend
And you don't have a valid source to back up your claims either. doped

Sorry. That's just the way a retcon is. Why would this one be different and have a change occur when the other retcons are just a revelation of information?

Simply so you can wank off to Pre retcon MM? How asstarded is that?

Naw Occam's Razor. The simplest solution is most likeley the most logical: Retcons are the same.

Originally posted by Air Legend
And you don't have a valid source to back up your claims either. doped

Nvr, when you made this thread, did you or did you not mean for the character of Owen Reece to be debated as he existed from his first appearance all the way to the retcon?

Mybe its just me, but retcon or not LT wins this

I dont see the basket case called molecule man from his first appearence up to his retcon winning this, he would cry for his girlfriend and crumple like a bag of leaves when he sees the LT

There is no abstracts or beyonder or friends and foes of any kind to help him, C.I.S is the downfall for molecule man and the retcon does not even need to be addressed in order for LT to win this

I enjoy some of these arguments, but imo they are not needed, its the reason C.I.S is used for versus matches

Maybe it is just me...oh well

Classic Beyonder = Beyonder circa 1984 - 1986.
Classic Molecule Man = Molecule Man circa 1984 - 1986.

After 1986 they were retconned we all know this. We all know that when someone says Classic or Preretcon Beyonder/MM, they mean the characters as they were written at that time and not as they were written at that time while taking the retcon into consideration. Also, they were written in that time to be #1 and #2.

I don't see why people have to be so hard-headed about that.

Originally posted by Cubicks
Classic Beyonder = Beyonder circa 1984 - 1986.
Classic Molecule Man = Molecule Man circa 1984 - 1986.

After 1986 they were retconned we all know this. We all know that when someone says Classic or Preretcon Beyonder/MM, they mean the characters as they were written at that time and not as they were written at that time while taking the retcon into consideration. Also, they were written in that time to be #1 and #2.

I don't see why people have to be so hard-headed about that.

They were written as number one and number two. But Guess who's written as them NEVER having been number one or number two? You guessed the it. THE LT has never experienced them being more powerful than he. And that is who is in this thread.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They were written as number one and number two. But Guess who's written as them NEVER having been number one or number two? You guessed the it. THE LT has never experienced them being more powerful than he. And that is who is in this thread.

I am glad we can agree on at least that much and I will agree with the rest of what you said with one small caveat regarding this, "THE LT has never experienced them being more powerful than he.", that is true omitting Secret Wars. I guess we agreed on that already.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Nvr, when you made this thread, did you or did you not mean for the character of Owen Reece to be debated as he existed from his first appearance all the way to the retcon?

Originally posted by Cubicks
I am glad we can agree on at least that much and I will agree with the rest of what you said with one small caveat regarding this, "THE LT has never experienced them being more powerful than he.", that is true omitting Secret Wars. I guess we agreed on that already.

NOt Omitting secret wars, but to him, he was always more powerful than they. So you see why comparing anyone they fight to the LT is silly?