Originally posted by Creshosk
Totally ignoring what a retcon actually is...Currently LT>Omniverse Do you have any proof of PRMM being greater than the omniverse?
Any omniversal feats to share with us?
Originally posted by Air Legend
LT is part of the omniverse. Quit making shit up. There is proof of MM being greater than the LT who was the judge of all of Marvel back then (a multiverse) and is the judge of all of Marvel now (an ominverse- expansion of the multiverse). The writers stated and showed MM being superior to the LT back in the day. You can't ignore on panel proof.
Originally posted by Air LegendSpiderman beat firelord. That's on panel proof, can't ignore it.. except for the fact it's against the rules. 😆
LT is part of the omniverse. Quit making shit up. There is proof of MM being greater than the LT who was the judge of all of Marvel back then (a multiverse) and is the judge of all of Marvel now (an ominverse- expansion of the multiverse). The writers stated and showed MM being superior to the LT back in the day. You can't ignore on panel proof.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The writers also showed that The MM was NEVER superior the LT ever. Now then, and not now.
The thread stipulates Pre-retcon MM, so we acknowledge that Secret Wars II did happen and thus MM wins.
The thread does not ask who would win between current MM and current LT as that Cresh guy likes to say. This thread wouldn't exist by his logic.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So... LT>OmniverseBut LT never changed
and MM>LT but
MM has no omniversal feats...
Well if we look at it from that technical perspective,
we have to take into account that Beyonder was = to MillionS of infinite Multiverses.
Basically all infinity outside the Prime Multiverse of today.
But really even more,
because today, there aren't millions of MultiverseS,
perhaps 100's maybe even 1000's but that's a bit of a stretch.
Point is, MM stood up to that power, and for a moment nearly won.
MM also blocked that power from erasing all of canon Marvel at the time,
and then re-directed it into the beyond realm.
Just sayin.
Originally posted by Air LegendSpiderman beat Firelord.
How can you show someone is superior and also show that they are not superior 🤨
Originally posted by Air LegendNo one's saying they didn't happen. Events simply didn't happen the way we originally thought they did.
The thread stipulates Pre-retcon MM, so we acknowledge that Secret Wars II did happen and thus MM wins.
Originally posted by Air LegendClassic is no different from Current. That's what a retcon does. It's not a change, its a reveal.
The thread does not ask who would win between current MM and current LT as that Cresh guy likes to say. This thread wouldn't exist by his logic.
Originally posted by Air LegendArgument from silence and strawman. 🙂
I take it you concede that MM was greater seeing how this is completely irrelevant.
MM was the same "pre-retcon" as he was "post-retcon" that's what a retcon is. He was always the same level. That's what a retcon is.
He was then as he is now.
So to bring up where he beat LT would be nodifferent than brining up Captain America beating hulk in a Cap vs Hulk thread Or Spiderman beating Firelord in a Spiderman versus Firelord Thread.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd sentry has the power of a million exploding suns. and Hulk stood up to that power.
Well if we look at it from that technical perspective,
we have to take into account that Beyonder was = to MillionS of infinite Multiverses.
Basically all infinity outside the Prime Multiverse of today.But really even more,
because today, there aren't millions of MultiverseS,
perhaps 100's maybe even 1000's but that's a bit of a stretch.Point is, MM stood up to that power, and for a moment nearly won.
MM also blocked that power from erasing all of canon Marvel at the time,
and then re-directed it into the beyond realm.Just sayin.
Just sayin'
Originally posted by Creshosk
And sentry has the power of a million exploding suns. and Hulk stood up to that power.
I don't know if that's a fact,
has Sentry done anything to deserve that saying?
Because Beyonder's power did on panel create a Universe = to Millions of infinite MultiverseS.
And MM did on panel resist that power. (blocked and controlled by MM)
Now adays there's maybe 1000s of MultiverseS at best.
Just sayin.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Just sayin'
🙂
Originally posted by Creshosk
Creating a universe is enough to give him the title of a million infinite multiverses?
Don't be silly Cresh. 😉
You know I mean Beyonder's Universe was large enough to encompass Millions of MultiverseS.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Then wouldn't that apply to everyone who's created a universe?
No, because everyone that creates a Universe,
doesn't create one that is Millions of times more infinite than the Prime Multiverse
as described on panel. 🙂
And really,
if we get geeky and try to truly figure out at least a rough estimate
of how much larger Beyonder's Universe was in comparison to the Prime Multiverse,
considering Jim Shooter's analogy,
we arrive at a figure somewhere in the 20 Quintillions + realm.
Atleast according to the,
Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005 and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.
Which estimated roughly 20 - 25 Quintillion drops of water in the ocean.
One Multiverse for every drop of water.
In an ocean that is Beyonder's Universe.
Originally posted by Air LegendIndeed I cant believe some are stil trying to argue that even though it is specified that its preretcon that we have to count the retcon anyways.
How can you show someone is superior and also show that they are not superior 🤨The thread stipulates Pre-retcon MM, so we acknowledge that Secret Wars II did happen and thus MM wins.
The thread does not ask who would win between current MM and current LT as that Cresh guy likes to say. This thread wouldn't exist by his logic.
😆
Originally posted by quanchi112
Indeed I cant believe some are stil trying to argue that even though it is specified that its preretcon that we have to count the retcon anyways.😆
Of course we count the PRE RETCON FOR THE MM BUT NOT FOR THE LT. People with really slow mental uptakes can't understand the paradox that I presented when making the thread. Which is what I wanted. But I feel like I"m trying to explain the theory of relativity to a few 5th graders.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlYes when you created the thread we take Lt and put him back in the past in that particular story. He fails. He wasnt always number two and in this particular instance he wasnt number 2 either. Dont know why everyone is still debating this its very obvious to me.
Of course we count the PRE RETCON FOR THE MM BUT NOT FOR THE LT. People with really slow mental uptakes can't understand the paradox that I presented when making the thread. Which is what I wanted. But I feel like I"m trying to explain the theory of relativity to a few 5th graders.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes when you created the thread we take Lt and put him back in the past in that particular story. He fails. He wasnt always number two and in this particular instance he wasnt number 2 either. Dont know why everyone is still debating this its very obvious to me.
Um quan, You can't take the LT and put him back in that particular story becuz I have stipulated that the LT in this thread was NEVER lower than the MM. Do you get that? It's obvious that the paradox is far to complicated for you.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlYes he was and master told you that was well. When this story came out MM was more powerful and Lt hasnt grown in power since then. Its not that complicated.
Um quan, You can't take the LT and put him back in that particular story becuz I have stipulated that the LT in this thread was NEVER lower than the MM. Do you get that? It's obvious that the paradox is far to complicated for you.