Superman is an 100 in strength.

Originally posted by carver9
Its in the dc encyclopedia, its good to buy one. Answer this for me. Do you think that vulcan, the summers brother can go faster than the speed of light also because he flown from earth to the shiar empire which is in another solar system in less then a week. I dont think that he can but I use common sense, if your flying through a place that has no gravity to slow you down, theres no telling how fast you can go, which is what superman has to his advantage when flying in space. You have no on panel feats of superman flying on earth at the speed of light. Dont say that comic characters dont go that fast on earth because for 1 north star has done it and gladiator has done it, on panel, theres proof that they were going that fast.

I have two on panel proof saying otherwise, can you show me something on panel where superman is flying and it is saying that he going the speed of light, not you caculating.

Superman flies from Earth to Rao in seconds:

Originally posted by Rorschach
Survives going through a red sun after exposure to kryptonite.

This is also a speed feat because Rao is at least 2.3 Million Light-Years away from the Earth, as it's in the Andromeda Galaxy.

Satisfied?

superman light speed:http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4420/movinglightaf4.jpg

Originally posted by ankur29
superman light speed:http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4420/movinglightaf4.jpg

I didnt see anything stating that he is going the speed of light. I see someone asking him "How fast do you THINK youre going, the speed of light."

Originally posted by carver9
I didnt see anything stating that he is going the speed of light. I see someone asking him "How fast do you THINK youre going, the speed of light."

Do ou read superman comics?How can you read them and notknow that superman goes waaaay beyond the speed of light?

So, basically, by your logic,anyone that goes lightspeedin space doesn't count? S in other words, I can throw a rock in space and it will accelarate to speeds fast enough to get t the andrmeda galaxy in a few minutes? A vacuum doesn't equal infinite speed.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Superman flies from Earth to Rao in seconds:

Satisfied?

You just dont get it do you, like I said before, vulcan must can move waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster then the speed of light since he flown to another solar system in less then a week IN SPACE, let me type it again, IN SPACE, IN SPACE, IN SPACE. Vulcan earth speed feats suck. He has no light speed reaction. Iron flown from the earth to the sun in two panels, IN SPACE, WHERE THERE IS NO GRAVITY, but on earth his speed feats suck and we all know that he cant go anywhere near the speed of light. Do you not understand that its a comic, it was meant for superboy prime to go down like that, that was basically the only way to bring him down. Do you think that they would waste space and time drawing out superman or any other character flying to this planet to the other instead of just using a couple of panels to do it.

Ok, this is something else to think about. Flash is considered the fastest being in dc. Flash has a power called the speed force. In order to bring this power into surface he has to go the speed of light. This feat takes time for flash to do. So since flash is the fastest being in dc and his top speed is the speed of light, anything faster brings up the speed force, but you all are showing me space flight where you are presuming that superman is going way above the speed of light, Im guessing that superman is faster then the flash.

Originally posted by Photon009
This is my list:

Count Nefaria - 150

Sentry - 140

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 102

Thor - 95

Wonder Woman - 75

Superboy (Conner) - 65

Superboy/man Prime - 130

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - 98

Supreme Power Hyperion - 80

All-Star Superman - 175

King Hyperion - 135

Immortal Hercules - 95

Classic Juggernaut - 92

Big Dumb Drax - 105

Morg - 85

Gladiator - 102

Wonder Man - 70

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it do you, like I said before, vulcan must can move waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster then the speed of light since he flown to another solar system in less then a week IN SPACE, let me type it again, IN SPACE, IN SPACE, IN SPACE. Vulcan earth speed feats suck. He has no light speed reaction. Iron flown from the earth to the sun in two panels, IN SPACE, WHERE THERE IS NO GRAVITY, but on earth his speed feats suck and we all know that he cant go anywhere near the speed of light. Do you not understand that its a comic, it was meant for superboy prime to go down like that, that was basically the only way to bring him down. Do you think that they would waste space and time drawing out superman or any other character flying to this planet to the other instead of just using a couple of panels to do it.

Ok, this is something else to think about. Flash is considered the fastest being in dc. Flash has a power called the speed force. In order to bring this power into surface he has to go the speed of light. This feat takes time for flash to do. So since flash is the fastest being in dc and his top speed is the speed of light, anything faster brings up the speed force, but you all are showing me space flight where you are presuming that superman is going way above the speed of light, Im guessing that superman is faster then the flash.

You do realize that the andromeda galaxy is way farther away from earth than any other solar system within our galaxy, right? Do you know the diference between a galaxy and a solar system? Superman went from galaxy to galaxy 23.5 lightyears in a few minutes. It took vulcan a week to transverse a solar system.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Do ou read superman comics?How can you read them and notknow that superman goes waaaay beyond the speed of light?

So, basically, by your logic,anyone that goes lightspeedin space doesn't count? S in other words, I can throw a rock in space and it will accelarate to speeds fast enough to get t the andrmeda galaxy in a few minutes? A vacuum doesn't equal infinite speed.

Who dont read superman comics but that dont have anything to do with it. If you are using superman going through space as a speed feat, then you should use it for the rest of the characters. So with that said, classic rogue, vulcan, iron man, nova, etc.... can go the speed of light since they did it in space.

Writers say that he goes the speed of sound, on panel feats dont say that he goes the speed of light, you know, like when flash is running and the narrator says how fast he going. The only thing that you all are basing your speed feat off of IS intergalactic travel which almost any character that can breath in space with flight has done. The sad thing about the superman prime feat is that when both of the superman flew to oa to catch up with superboy prime, they had other hero's behind them, so that mean that almost everyone that was flying with superman can go faster than the speed of light.

Your logic dont make any sense.

Originally posted by carver9
Who dont read superman comics but that dont have anything to do with it. If you are using superman going through space as a speed feat, then you should use it for the rest of the characters. So with that said, classic rogue, vulcan, iron man, nova, etc.... can go the speed of light since they did it in space.

If they have all done it numerous times and there were no indications of outside help or contradictions in their powersets, then yes. They are capable of doing so. I highly doubt Ironman could though.

Originally posted by carver9
Writers say that he goes the speed of sound, on panel feats dont say that he goes the speed of light, you know, like when flash is running and the narrator says how fast he going.

Byrnes said that superman went the speed of sound. Not taking into account that byrnes superman was retconned out of existance... this was all in nineties.

Originally posted by carver9
The only thing that you all are basing your speed feat off of IS intergalactic travel which almost any character that can breath in space with flight has done.

First you say that superman can only go the speed of sound... then you say that every character that can breath in space has travelled intergalactic distances... Wow, I didn't know that the hulk could fly... because by your logic he can fly intergalactic distances because he can breath in space... 🙄

Originally posted by carver9
The sad thing about the superman prime feat is that when both of the superman flew to oa to catch up with superboy prime, they had other hero's behind them, so that mean that almost everyone that was flying with superman can go faster than the speed of light.

Show me where all the heroes were right behind superman. The only ones that I saw were a kryptonian (powergirl), mm, and alot of gls. Every one of those except mm, by definition can go ftl.

Originally posted by carver9
Your logic dont make any sense.

Yeah. Okay. 🙄

Originally posted by Sirius77
If they have all done it numerous times and there were no indications of outside help or contradictions in their powersets, then yes. They are capable of doing so. I highly doubt Ironman could though.

Byrnes said that superman went the speed of sound. Not taking into account that byrnes superman was retconned out of existance... this was all in nineties.

First you say that superman can only go the speed of sound... then you say that every character that can breath in space has travelled intergalactic distances... Wow, I didn't know that the hulk could fly... because by your logic he can fly intergalactic distances because he can breath in space... 🙄

Show me where all the heroes were right behind superman. The only ones that I saw were a kryptonian (powergirl), mm, and alot of gls. Every one of those except mm, by definition can go ftl.

Yeah. Okay. 🙄

Im not referring to the nineties, this was last year when brian azzarello stated that superman can only go 2000mps.

My bad, I seem to type my words wrong, I was saying that majority of the beings that can fly outside of space has flown millions of miles in short distances. So basically there are faster than light characters all through comics. Well when someone put up a gladiator and superman fight Im going to say that gladiator speed blitz superman since he has flown further in shorter periods of time and it was stated ON PANEL that he has enough speed to keep up with the surfer. Space fight means jack and thats what I want you to understand, unless again rogue and iron man can go faster than the speed of light and vulcan>>>>>>>>wonderwoman and martian manhunter in speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not referring to the nineties, this was last year when brian azzarello stated that superman can only go 2000mps.]

Sill before ic.

Originally posted by carver9
[B]My bad, I seem to type my words wrong, I was saying that majority of the beings that can fly outside of space has flown millions of miles in short distances. So basically there are faster than light characters all through comics. Well when someone put up a gladiator and superman fight Im going to say that gladiator speed blitz superman since he has flown further in shorter periods of time and it was stated ON PANEL that he has enough speed to keep up with the surfer. Space fight means jack and thats what I want you to understand, unless again rogue and iron man can go faster than the speed of light and vulcan>>>>>>>>wonderwoman and martian manhunter in speed.

Vulcan manipulaes all energy, it makes sens that he wouldbe faster.

But superman has proven himself to be ftl. Are you from cbr?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Sill before ic.

Vulcan manipulaes all energy, it makes sens that he wouldbe faster.

But superman has proven himself to be ftl. Are you from cbr?

Count Nefaria - 95

Sentry - 75

Captain Marvel (DC) - 95-100

Black Adam - 95-100

Thor - 95-100

Wonder Woman - 80

Superboy (Conner) - 75

Superboy/man Prime - 150

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - ?

Supreme Power Hyperion - ?

All-Star Superman 120ish

King Hyperion - ?

Immortal Hercules - 95-100

Classic Juggernaut - 120ish

Big Dumb Drax - With Pg? 100ish

Morg - ?

Gladiator - 95

Wonder Man - 60

Originally posted by Larceny
Count Nefaria - 95

Sentry - 75

Captain Marvel (DC) - 95-100

Black Adam - 95-100

Thor - 95-100

Wonder Woman - 80

Superboy (Conner) - 75

Superboy/man Prime - 150

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - ?

Supreme Power Hyperion - ?

All-Star Superman 120ish

King Hyperion - ?

Immortal Hercules - 95-100

Classic Juggernaut - 120ish

Big Dumb Drax - With Pg? 100ish

Morg - ?

Gladiator - 95

Wonder Man - 60

How the hell do you have Superboy at 75 and wonder woman at 80,l when supergirl has shown to be superior to Superboy plenty, but she's under Wonder Woman by a large amount. you ahve classic juggernaut at 120 when he doesn't have any strength feats to suggest that. his durablity is NOT his strength. Wonder Woman was on panel over powering immortal herc,. He also has no feats like superman. You have all star superman at 120 ish? his strength feats dwarf classic juggernauts. You my sir, are very BIASED.

Originally posted by Photon009
Superman's an 100 in strength. What are these guys?

Count Nefaria - 95-100

Sentry - 85-90

Captain Marvel (DC) - 100

Black Adam - 100

Thor -90 to 95

Wonder Woman - 85 to 90, but most certainly closer to 90.

Superboy (Conner) - 80

Superboy/man Prime - 200

Squadron Supreme Hyperion - Don't care.

Supreme Power Hyperion - Don't care.

All-Star Superman - 300

King Hyperion - Lollerskates!

Immortal Hercules - 90(he should be the strongest person on the list, but he's not imo.

Classic Juggernaut - 85 - The fact that you couldn't stop him is what really makes him a threat.

Big Dumb Drax - He's got the ripping a star feat iirc, but aside from that meh. 90.

Morg - More energy than brawn i'd say...85 squarely.

Gladiator - 96 squarely.

Wonder Man - 80

Superman isn't a league above guys like Thor.

Stronger by a shade sure, but nothing drastic.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not referring to the nineties, this was last year when brian azzarello stated that superman can only go 2000mps.

And on-panel it was stated that Superman was moving over 2000mps.

Originally posted by carver9
unless again rogue and iron man can go faster than the speed of light

Post scans of them moving FTL.

Originally posted by carver9

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8669/jla02114bq7.jpg
and this
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/JLA1420.jpg

In the first scan, Dr. Light is referring to the speed that Superman was moving at the time when he removed Parasite from the battlefield.

The 2nd scan is over 8 years old.

Also, Superman was moving FTL in space, in the following pages. According to you, Superman can do this even though he can't truly move faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
and a recent bio of superman thats only stating that he can go the speed of sound.

Online bios aren't reliable.

also, re: the dr light thing...

its the same writer who had panther put surfer in an armbar... he isnt exactly the most credible of sources...

Originally posted by carver9
Do you think that vulcan, the summers brother can go faster than the speed of light also because he flown from earth to the shiar empire which is in another solar system in less then a week.

Yes.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think that he can but I use common sense, if your flying through a place that has no gravity to slow you down, theres no telling how fast you can go, which is what superman has to his advantage when flying in space.

Objects don't magically start moving FTL in space.

Originally posted by carver9
You have no on panel feats of superman flying on earth at the speed of light. Dont say that comic characters dont go that fast on earth because for 1 north star has done it and gladiator has done it, on panel, theres proof that they were going that fast.

If I recall correctly, Northstar was moving at 99.9% the speed of light , while Gladiator was moving at near light-speed while he was on Earth.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How the hell do you have Superboy at 75 and wonder woman at 80,l when supergirl has shown to be superior to Superboy plenty, but she's under Wonder Woman by a large amount. you ahve classic juggernaut at 120 when he doesn't have any strength feats to suggest that. his durablity is NOT his strength. Wonder Woman was on panel over powering immortal herc,. He also has no feats like superman. You have all star superman at 120 ish? his strength feats dwarf classic juggernauts. You my sir, are very BIASED.

Because Wonder Woman isn't that strong. At least when compared to the more Elite herald level characters.

Yes, because Cain has dominated characters with proficient strength, and was shown capable of stalemating WWH.

Which isn't cannon.

Immortal Hercules and Superman are relatively peers in strength. Punching through dimensional rifts/barriers, and planetary level arm wrestling matches are fairly impressive.

Nothing to do with bias. 🙄