Should the Mace/Sideous fight be redone?

Goose?

Yeah, I was hungry at the time.

Hmmm, tasty.

The main problem is the three Jedi Masters with Windu. They have to last more than a few seconds, or make it more obvious that Palps is using force-speed. It just looked like the others were using slow-motion. (which would be a really sucky force power to choose right before going in to combat a sith lord.)

Also, for the sake of fans everywhere, it should be decided once and for all if Palpatine let Mace win or not. It doesn't add up. There is one point in the fight where Mace swings and misses, and Palpatine clearly has Mace at the end of his saber. Windu kinda backs away, and then they go back to fighting. However, later in the fight, Mace kicks the lightsaber out of Palpatine's hand. That COULD NOT have been planned by palpatine. That makes it seem more likely that Mace one. They could just clear that up if they shot it again.

Yea, the fight isn't that good, i don't think its crap, but it would be better if they used stunt doubles. I don't know it should be redone, its part of SW history. I for one don't think it would be a good idea, look what GL did to the OT, with all the changes.

Yeah but the only reason the changes were "bad", is because crotchety older people who grew attached to the OT didn't appreciate all the changes, but for RotS it's still early enough imo to make some changes..

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
And they both dueled worse then that little toddler kid who took out like 5 troopers before he died during Order 66.

What's your point, silly goose?

Haermm.. in a way. I mean, yes realism has never been Star Wars fine point.. but to have Mace "Badass mofo" Windu and Darth Sideous fight as slow and frail like as they did.. then an hour later showing Sideous going toe-to-toe with Yoda.. tis' just ridiculous.

It was supposed to be one of the best duels in the entire saga.. but it turned out sucky.

I liked it.

It was done by stunt doubles.

If you notice, both duels (Mace vs. Palpy in Ep. 3, and Obi Wan vs. Vader in Ep. 4), are between older accomplished masters. They rely more on swordsmanship than a bunch of flipping around and shit.

Even the duel between Luke and Vader on cloud city was more fast paced than the forementioned ones.

Yup... that was a nice duel.

I would like to see how the duel would've played out as originally planed.

Sam Jackson was going to fight the stunt double ONLY, and he said he learned "137 moves that go through 3 rooms".

The double was a great swordsman, and it probably would've been an awesome fight. Sam would've moved faster for sure, and it wouldn't have been as goofy.

GL changed things ON THE DAY OF SHOOTING, because he wanted more close-ups. Nic Gillard said that the close ups would be on little twirl moves, or when they charge in at each other, so it had to be all redone.

They half-trained Ian to have a weak little sparring session with Sam and do some goofy thrusts and stuff.

The double was still involved in a few places, but nowhere near as much.

I think the fight still works well, about 85% effectiveness in terms of story and mood, but the action is a little limp-wristed.

I see it as them both knowing every trick in the book, leaving little room for flashy moves, just grunt swordwork.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I would like to see how the duel would've played out as originally planed.

Sam Jackson was going to fight the stunt double ONLY, and he said he learned "137 moves that go through 3 rooms".

The double was a great swordsman, and it probably would've been an awesome fight. Sam would've moved faster for sure, and it wouldn't have been as goofy.

GL changed things ON THE DAY OF SHOOTING, because he wanted more close-ups. Nic Gillard said that the close ups would be on little twirl moves, or when they charge in at each other, so it had to be all redone.

They half-trained Ian to have a weak little sparring session with Sam and do some goofy thrusts and stuff.

The double was still involved in a few places, but nowhere near as much.

I think the fight still works well, about 85% effectiveness in terms of story and mood, but the action is a little limp-wristed.

I understood Ian just did a few moves where his face showed. The majority of the fight was still done by a stuntman.

they should have gotten Ray Park again.

Too athletic for Palps

Originally posted by queeq
I understood Ian just did a few moves where his face showed. The majority of the fight was still done by a stuntman.

It's hard to say.

The DVD on this part shows where Ian and Sam are walking up and down a path, simply hitting left and right, and criss crossing swords. It also shows Ian practicing a few of the swoosh and slash motions in the main office before the lock up for the close ups.

I know that the double did do some things, but it's nowhere near what he would've done, and more important, Sam had to scrap most of what he'd learned and just work up a little routine with Ian in about an hour or two.

The fight would've been completely different if they'd gone with what Nic Gillard had originally intended.

Originally posted by queeq
Too athletic for Palps

Originally posted by sithsaber408
It's hard to say.

The DVD on this part shows where Ian and Sam are walking up and down a path, simply hitting left and right, and criss crossing swords. It also shows Ian practicing a few of the swoosh and slash motions in the main office before the lock up for the close ups.

Even the swooshes are important for close ups, the movements must match. I believe all the wide shots are the stunt double and we get the close ups from Ian.