Should the Mace/Sideous fight be redone?

No, dude THAT's what nic gillard wanted. 😛

He wanted the fight to be more wide shots with the double and just Ian for closeups, but GL messed it all around and had Ian learn more moves to see more of him in the fight. In closeups yes, but also in mid shots.

The only time we get to see the double is in tricky stuff, like the flip in the inner office, the part where he backs Mace down the hallway, and where they slash the glass of the window.

I'd guess that 90% of the remaining shots are of Ian.

Again, I like the sequence and think Ian did good with what little time he had. Thematically and story wise, the scene works.

But I know it would've been WAY better with what Nic Gillard had originally arranged for Sam Jack and the sword double to do.

I just checked The Making of ROTS... and actually it's not quite clear. They have a debate about shooting it, Lucas wants close ups and Gillard hasn't really prepared for that. What I gather from it is that Nick Gillard wanted Lucas to do close ups only when the fight paused a bit, but Lucas wanted close ups of the FIGHT as well. It doesn't say anything about who did the wider shots. Plus Knoll comes in saying that they can push the face replacement a bit further than before, so... it's not very clear.

Agreed.

How much got changed is unsure, but had it been done as originally designed by Gillard, I think that fight would've been ten tons of awesome!

Lucas makes the statement that he didn't want any other fight to trump, or even compare to the fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin, b/c THAT was the lightsaber duel that the whole movie had been building towards (since there is generally one big lightsaber battle in each movie) so maybe he tamed it down on purpose.

Weird... he should have thought of that while writing or at least before Gillard started choreographing the fight.

I think Sidious had a fight too many in this film. I'd have loved to see a battle between Mace and Anakin... a short one, where Anakin used foul play ( a bit like the ending now). I mean, Mace had that coming since he first acted like an a$$hole to Anakin in TPM.

I agree, except that what I was hoping for was a GOOD long duel where Anakin PWNS mace and mace looks all shocked (kinda like Dooku) and tries to apologize and Anakin just looks at him and walks away...mace is relieved... then Anakin runs his saber through his back!

And says:"Apology accepted......master windu." 😛

😂

That'd been great!

except it would never happen. Mace would cornhole that ass with his saber. Annie kabob, anyone?

I doubt it though... Anakin was supposed to be the greatest. He beat Dooku, whom could not entirely be defeated by Yoda....

*sighs*....In ep. 2, Yoda would have BEATEN Dooku had Dooku not resorted to punk tactics.

Originally posted by queeq
I doubt it though... Anakin was supposed to be the greatest. He beat Dooku, whom could not entirely be defeated by Yoda....

tis' a fallacy, that.

Yoda WAS beating Dooku but Dooku ran.

The only reason why Dooku lost to Anakin was because he simply had no where to go.

Andi, if one wants to use the falllacy, we could say that Obi-Wan> Anakin> Dooku > Yoda > Sideous> Mace... which doesn't make any sense.

Oh no... more formula's...

And yeah, I guess Dooku had nowhere else to run with two sabres vicing his neck.

he had nowhere to run throughout the duel.

If he has to run then hasn't he by default lost the duel?

I think in an all out one on one in the chancellors office....

Anakin would've Pwnt Mace. 😛

Originally posted by sithsaber408
If he has to run then hasn't he by default lost the duel?

I think in an all out one on one in the chancellors office....

Anakin would've Pwnt Mace. 😛

and NO.

And YES.

Annie was faster, younger and more powerful than Obi wan and got served, baby.

Three limbs lost in a blow and a half. I rest my case.

I always wondered why Annie jumoed right at Obi, when he could have jumped to the left or right. the strip of land was narrow, but there was plenty of room for him to jump to Obi Wan's right or left.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
*sighs*....In ep. 2, Yoda would have BEATEN Dooku had Dooku not resorted to punk tactics.

He didn't 'resort' to anything, he used his surrounding...to a successful degree.