Originally posted by quanchi112
They were both trying to put each other down but werent going all out. I mean do you seriously think Gamora could defeat Thanos? He could easily imprison her in a block of pure force,etc.
Okay, well talking about the weaponry he might be able to get to defeat her is a bit ridiculous. Gamora might have been able to kill him with her magical dagger, and certainly could with the Time Gem, but we aren't referring to anything like that.
What I am saying is that when they were trying to put each other down - and really put each other down, as evidenced by the exchange between Drax and Adam that you yourself posted - Thanos was wholly incapable of doing so using the 'conventional' weapons in his arsenal - eye blasts, hand blasts, charged up hands, strength, skill and durability. In the case of the energy attacks, attacks that he won't have when facing off against Orion in this type of battle.
No, Gamora couldn't do anything to HIM either, but she was totally capable of hanging with him in a battle, so much so that he thought his only way of expediting her defeat was to play possum.
Do I believe that Gamora would have won that? Obviously not. She was going to tire long before he was, and as soon as she made a misstep he would have quite easily defeated her.
But we're talking about a character MUCH stronger than she, and much durable as well with that kind of speed and at least that level of raw skill, IMHO.
I know this particular fight is a straight up brawl but I have seen Orion trade blows and not use this super speed before as often as you think he does.
That is pretty obvious. That is also true of any character in comics. One of those things we all have to deal with.
Regardless,Thanos take take his blows with a smile on his face. Hell,he took blows from a power gem Thor and smiled through the beatdown he receieved at the hands of Thor.
Yeah, no one is doubting how tough Thanos is. But insane Thor, while likely stronger than Orion is in this situation, couldn't have delivered the same number of blows that Orion is going to, with the same type of precision AND avoid Thanos' retaliatory blows.
Comparing the two really serves no purpose.
Thanos and Gamora were just physically engaging each other but werent out for blood as you agree. Thanos was in tip-top shape after this fight,anyways.
Weren't out for blood in what sense? I think the exchange between Adam and Drax make it very clear that they were out for a solid DEFEAT, and that they were NOT afraid of hurting each other, were NOT pulling their punches.
They weren't out to kill each other, no, but this wasn't anyone giving anyone else special treatment.
Thanos did teach her everything she knows. Unless, you ignore this scan and the meaning of it?
Nothing in that scan indicates anything of the sort.
We know that 'Thanos' taught her everything she knows, but not HOW. We never saw her sparring with him in a flashback or in continuity, never saw him teaching her special techniques, stances, holds.
What we saw was simply Thanos' robot droids teaching her everything she knew while he was busy doing other stuff. Which makes much more sense and is, right now, the only concrete evidence we have either way. The scan you posted simply says that he 'made her what she is today', which would be as true for someone who provided the training and psychological conditioning through proxies (droids) as it would for someone who directly taught her everything she knew.
Moreover, her obvious dominance in this battle in skill and speed, his total inability to counter her effectively, makes it clear that she is far and away his superior in those two attributes.
If you want to ignore that I can't stop you, but I think you are kidding yourself.
This scan clearly shows Thanos was fooling around and that she caused him no damage with all of her dancing around. Even she knew this nerve blow,really didnt damage him. She knew he was faking it. So,why reference this fight as if its some example of Thanos losing to skill when he clearly wasnt out for blood?
Because this was a definitive and unequivocal loss for Thanos on points, if not on skill. He very clearly was totally ineffectual in this battle; never got in a hit, even with energy attacks helping him. No, Gamora wasn't able to effect him much at all (save for making him bleed, turning his head, etc) but we are dealing with a character that is multiples of her strength and durability and on the same level of speed and skill. His punches are going to do MORE than make Thanos bleed, as will his kicks, and he IS going to be able to take blasts and punches from him (if not very many).
I do agree that Orion is far more dangerous in hand to hand then the Surfer. Sure,Thanos uses hand blasts and what not but as these scans clearly show he beats the shit out of Surfer by using his fists.
He starts out with an energy blast from behind, and every subsequent hit is with his hands charged with energy at least, so while it is very impressive for Thanos IN GENERAL, it doesn't really serve as a measuring stick in this instance.
But,really you agree that Thanos wins so what the hell are we really arguing about?
A fundamental disagreement in the way we see the source material.
Of COURSE Thanos wins here; that much is a given. But going on what we've seen, skilled foes can give Thanos serious runs for their money, and in this case we are seriously limiting THanos (and yes, Orion too).
