Originally posted by The Great GalenA close quarter battle Thanos will stomp him in. His durability is way too much for Orion to take even 1 of 10.
A close quarter situation is Orion's bread and butter, considering his level strength/speed/durability in addtion to h2h skill that rivals the greatest known MA in the universe....I say he can get some wins at the very least.
Originally posted by quanchi112
A close quarter battle Thanos will stomp him in. His durability is way too much for Orion to take even 1 of 10.
Originally posted by DesaadOk,so in the limited time they did scrap she avoided him doing little to no damage whatsoever. You agree the moment he caught her,it would be lights out. The battle was nowhere near close to being finished,so you using it as proof that Orion can hang with him doesnt fly with me. He killed Gamora before pre upgrade,so I have no reason to believe a more powerful Thanos would have any problems doing so again.
Okay, well talking about the weaponry he might be able to get to defeat her is a bit ridiculous. Gamora might have been able to kill him with her magical dagger, and certainly could with the Time Gem, but we aren't referring to anything like that.What I am saying is that when they were trying to put each other down - and really put each other down, as evidenced by the exchange between Drax and Adam that you yourself posted - Thanos was wholly incapable of doing so using the 'conventional' weapons in his arsenal - eye blasts, hand blasts, charged up hands, strength, skill and durability. In the case of the energy attacks, attacks that he won't have when facing off against Orion in this type of battle.
No, Gamora couldn't do anything to HIM either, but she was totally capable of hanging with him in a battle, so much so that he thought his only way of expediting her defeat was to play possum.
Do I believe that Gamora would have won that? Obviously not. She was going to tire long before he was, and as soon as she made a misstep he would have quite easily defeated her.
But we're talking about a character MUCH stronger than she, and much durable as well with that kind of speed and at least that level of raw skill, IMHO.
That is pretty obvious. That is also true of any character in comics. One of those things we all have to deal with.
Yeah, no one is doubting how tough Thanos is. But insane Thor, while likely stronger than Orion is in this situation, couldn't have delivered the same number of blows that Orion is going to, with the same type of precision AND avoid Thanos' retaliatory blows.
Comparing the two really serves no purpose.
Weren't out for blood in what sense? I think the exchange between Adam and Drax make it very clear that they were out for a solid DEFEAT, and that they were NOT afraid of hurting each other, were NOT pulling their punches.
They weren't out to kill each other, no, but this wasn't anyone giving anyone else special treatment.
Nothing in that scan indicates anything of the sort.
We know that 'Thanos' taught her everything she knows, but not HOW. We never saw her sparring with him in a flashback or in continuity, never saw him teaching her special techniques, stances, holds.
What we saw was simply Thanos' robot droids teaching her everything she knew while he was busy doing other stuff. Which makes much more sense and is, right now, the only concrete evidence we have either way. The scan you posted simply says that he 'made her what she is today', which would be as true for someone who provided the training and psychological conditioning through proxies (droids) as it would for someone who directly taught her everything she knew.
Moreover, her obvious dominance in this battle in skill and speed, his total inability to counter her effectively, makes it clear that she is far and away his superior in those two attributes.
If you want to ignore that I can't stop you, but I think you are kidding yourself.
Because this was a definitive and unequivocal loss for Thanos on points, if not on skill. He very clearly was totally ineffectual in this battle; never got in a hit, even with energy attacks helping him. No, Gamora wasn't able to effect him much at all (save for making him bleed, turning his head, etc) but we are dealing with a character that is multiples of her strength and durability and on the same level of speed and skill. His punches are going to do MORE than make Thanos bleed, as will his kicks, and he IS going to be able to take blasts and punches from him (if not very many).
He starts out with an energy blast from behind, and every subsequent hit is with his hands charged with energy at least, so while it is very impressive for Thanos IN GENERAL, it doesn't really serve as a measuring stick in this instance.
A fundamental disagreement in the way we see the source material.
Of COURSE Thanos wins here; that much is a given. But going on what we've seen, skilled foes can give Thanos serious runs for their money, and in this case we are seriously limiting THanos (and yes, Orion too).
Orion would have to use that skill that he really uses against his own father. Sure,Orion possesses a skill but this argument is as pointless to me as Superman speedblitzing Thanos to beat him. Orion doesnt have enough in the tank to take Thanos to the limits. Gamora didnt phase him one bit and their fight was brief. Had Gamora really injured him,Id say you were onto something. I get that Orion being stronger in your mind means he could affect Thanos, a helluva lot more than Gamora. Sure,his punches would have more of an impact but not enough to put him down.
Blood Thunder Thor was amping himself at the time to the point of smashing the entire Infinity Watch,Silver Surfer,and Dr. Strange. Now they teleported him to Thanos because they couldnt handle him. He was much stronger than Orion due to the power gem. Sure,Orion could land more blows but they would have much less of an impact. Thanos was smiling after his tussle with power gem Thor and knew due to the power gem that he couldnt ko him.
Yes,they werent in a serious battle. Sure their blows were meant to win this battle,but neither was out for blood. Thanos wasnt trying to destroy Gamora while Gamora wasnt trying to destroy Thanos. Their blows would hurt, but these characters are more than strong enough to take it.
Thanos taught her the skill required to be this deadly. We dont know exactly how he did it,nor do we need to know. I never commented on how he taught her but it was him that made her what she is. We dont have to see the training sessions to know how he did it,only that he made her what she is today.
It would be ridiculous to see Thanos moving with the skill that Gamora possesses. I never said he could.
Yes,Thanos didnt get in one solid hit against Gamora. That much is true. Also,you have to understand this battle was nowhere close to being over. Orion isnt going to make him bleed any more than Thor with the power gem had. Thor with the power gem in terms of strength and hitting power>>>Orion any day of the week. Sorry,Orion has no chance.
Skilled fighters can prolong a battle with Thanos, but give me one example of a skilled fighter beating him.
Originally posted by fangirl101Horrible logic.
NO. Thanos once thought to himself how a conflict with Champion or hulk might go without his shields. Orion would be like them only far far stronger on the onset. And with no mb to hold orion's rage and strength in check, he'd just keep fighting and fighting and fighting.
So you are basing this entirely on one Thanos thought in Thanos quest 1?
Here, let me help you out. Ill show you four characters taking on Thanos at once. Then, Quasar helps out Hulk and the Thing here. Thanos would dominate the Hulk and you know it.
Originally posted by DesaadHe came back a lot more powerful. Huge difference between pre upgrade and post upgrade. if I were to use a dos Superman example as an example for Superman today that would fall short, just as this falls short.
What are you referring to? Even Captain Mar-Vell, far from 'exceptional' in strength, nearly wore him down (pre ressurection).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,so in the limited time they did scrap she avoided him doing little to no damage whatsoever. You agree the moment he caught her,it would be lights out. The battle was nowhere near close to being finished,so you using it as proof that Orion can hang with him doesnt fly with me. He killed Gamora before pre upgrade,so I have no reason to believe a more powerful Thanos would have any problems doing so again.Orion would have to use that skill that he really uses against his own father. Sure,Orion possesses a skill but this argument is as pointless to me as Superman speedblitzing Thanos to beat him. Orion doesnt have enough in the tank to take Thanos to the limits. Gamora didnt phase him one bit and their fight was brief. Had Gamora really injured him,Id say you were onto something. I get that Orion being stronger in your mind means he could affect Thanos, a helluva lot more than Gamora. Sure,his punches would have more of an impact but not enough to put him down.
Blood Thunder Thor was amping himself at the time to the point of smashing the entire Infinity Watch,Silver Surfer,and Dr. Strange. Now they teleported him to Thanos because they couldnt handle him. He was much stronger than Orion due to the power gem. Sure,Orion could land more blows but they would have much less of an impact. Thanos was smiling after his tussle with power gem Thor and knew due to the power gem that he couldnt ko him.
Yes,they werent in a serious battle. Sure their blows were meant to win this battle,but neither was out for blood. Thanos wasnt trying to destroy Gamora while Gamora wasnt trying to destroy Thanos. Their blows would hurt, but these characters are more than strong enough to take it.
Thanos taught her the skill required to be this deadly. We dont know exactly how he did it,nor do we need to know. I never commented on how he taught her but it was him that made her what she is. We dont have to see the training sessions to know how he did it,only that he made her what she is today.
It would be ridiculous to see Thanos moving with the skill that Gamora possesses. I never said he could.
Yes,Thanos didnt get in one solid hit against Gamora. That much is true. Also,you have to understand this battle was nowhere close to being over. Orion isnt going to make him bleed any more than Thor with the power gem had. Thor with the power gem in terms of strength and hitting power>>>Orion any day of the week. Sorry,Orion has no chance.
Skilled fighters can prolong a battle with Thanos, but give me one example of a skilled fighter beating him.
Orion has stalemated a enraged/sun amped Supes who was outclassing the JL. Stalemated mantis, competed agaisnt a FP DS and wrecking a group of new gods. IMO it isnt unreasonable to suggest he could easily take 3 from Thanos. Thanos 7/10
Originally posted by The Great GalenYes,Orion is strong but keep in mind Thanos has taken on power gem Thor and was smiling after taking a beatdown. Supes and Orion are both top tiers while Thanos is not. He is in another league.
Orion has stalemated a enraged/sun amped Supes who was outclassing the JL. Stalemated mantis, competed agaisnt a FP DS and wrecking a group of new gods. IMO it isnt unreasonable to suggest he could easily take 3 from Thanos. Thanos 7/10
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,Orion is strong but keep in mind Thanos has taken on power gem Thor and was smiling after taking a beatdown. Supes and Orion are both top tiers while Thanos is not. He is in another league.
Orion is peak high herald if you ask me, PG Thor was not fighting with surgical precision but just brawling out on the account of his state of mind. All things considered...Orions physical strength,combat speed,h2h abilitiy and durability can propel him to some victories over Thanos. The man did stalemate mantis, compete agasitn a FP DS better then Supes ever has so I dont it its unreasonable. Thanos 7/10
Galan I agree with all that your saying in a sense. I agree Orion is a very versed combatant, strong and has some decent durability. So, there is no doubt he could smack around thanos a put maybe hurt him a bit or knock him down. The problem is Thanos would do the same which doesn't equal a victory. In this case a knockdown isn't a win but a KO or death is. Orion doesn't have the firepower imo and I think you would probably agree to KO Thanos. Thanos durability is just on another level. So, yes orion could be getting the better of the exchanges for awhile but eventually he will tire faster then Thanos and certainly would be able to take the punishment Thanos can and with Thanos amping himself to me it's pretty much 10/10 although a difficult victory for thanos most of those
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Galan I agree with all that your saying in a sense. I agree Orion is a very versed combatant, strong and has some decent durability. So, there is no doubt he could smack around thanos a put maybe hurt him a bit or knock him down. The problem is Thanos would do the same which doesn't equal a victory. In this case a knockdown isn't a win but a KO or death is. Orion doesn't have the firepower imo and I think you would probably agree to KO Thanos. Thanos durability is just on another level. So, yes orion could be getting the better of the exchanges for awhile but eventually he will tire faster then Thanos and certainly would be able to take the punishment Thanos can and with Thanos amping himself to me it's pretty much 10/10 although a difficult victory for thanos most of those
Originally posted by The Great GalenBrawling still hurts. He was still connecting with Thanos. He also was using his hammer which hurts more than Orion's fists. Thor also had the power gem on him amping his strength.
Orion is peak high herald if you ask me, PG Thor was not fighting with surgical precision but just brawling out on the account of his state of mind. All things considered...Orions physical strength,combat speed,h2h abilitiy and durability can propel him to some victories over Thanos. The man did stalemate mantis, compete agasitn a FP DS better then Supes ever has so I dont it its unreasonable. Thanos 7/10
Here is what Thanos looked like after Pip thought he had it.
Thanos destroys him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
My exactly thought what does bleeding have to do with anything? This fight comes down to Durability when it's all said and done and Thanos is Orion superior in every sense of the word
Originally posted by fangirl101If Batman can make Darkseid bleed......then Gamora can surely beat him. This is how ridiculous your argument is.
if gamora can make thanos bleed and Orion is as far above Gamora as Gamora is above aunt may, then of course orion can do damage on a far grander scale than gamaro. and Orion also is SUPER FAST in h2h.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If Batman can make Darkseid bleed......then Gamora can surely beat him. This is how ridiculous your argument is.
Originally posted by fangirl101Its just as weak as the argyument you passed off. Explain how the new gods tech amped his kick? I thought it only made him invisible.
Weak argument ALL around. DS had been blasted already in the same story. Batman also had new gen tech as it was obvious that he was able to blend into the shadows as well as touch the staff of power without special gloves.
What does making someone bleed have to do with knocking someone out?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its just as weak as the argyument you passed off. Explain how the new gods tech amped his kick? I thought it only made him invisible.What does making someone bleed have to do with knocking someone out?