Young Chimp Beats College Students

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
They're not saying they did it though, are they? The point is that it has been achieved within our species, no one's trying to say that they personally can bench 300, invented the mobile phone or came up with the theory of relativity.

Well, maybe Al Gore is saying it. 😆

Originally posted by chithappens
So you are taking the top notch of everything and saying "that is us!"

If a guy can bench press 300 and I can only manage 180, it is what it is. Some can bench 600 but I'm not going to take pride as part of a species because "one" can do that.

In terms of intelligence, things are simply built upon. A theory exist, it is proven true. It is taught to posterity, proven false, and then approved upon.

Einstein, if cloned, would not be the same "genius" without the same circumstances, for example; cloning him would simply give a clone of a person and not the genius one would want to replicate.

It is more complex than you are making it seem.

Some people are better than others at certain things, but it is a fallacy to just take the top of everyone and claim it the collective goal of an entire species.

Obviously, you didn't get it

No, you shouldn't personally take credit for the guy that can bench 600, while you can only do a measly 180.

But if we were comparing, who can lift more, a human or a chimp, than it's acceptable to say "WE can bench a max of 600, while chimps can bench ###". It goes without saying that the person making that claim isn't taking personal credit for lifting those 600 pounds.

An exact clone of Einstein would still have the physical capabilities to be a genius though. Do you think if you were put in the same circumstances as Einstein, you would have been able to accomplish what he did?

Yes, some people are smarter than others, just as some people are stronger than others, but we're not talking about each individual person or chimp here. Chimps have been shown to excel over trisomy 21 victims in several areas on intelligence, that doesn't make the statement "We're smarter than chimps" untrue though, because "WE" are.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How would you define it?

By several factors, memory, deductive abilities, artistic ability, reasoning, problem solving etc. etc. etc.

But doesn't the fact that a chimp is capable of doing some mental things better than some humans account for something; I'm saying it's not universal or definite amongst all people.

Originally posted by Robtard
By several factors, memory, deductive abilities, artistic ability, reasoning, problem solving etc. etc. etc.

But this is arbitrary. Why are those traits more superior then others?

Originally posted by chithappens
But doesn't the fact that a chimp is capable of doing some mental things better than some humans account for something; I'm saying it's not universal or definite amongst all people.

It just means that a chimp is better at certain factors (in this case short term memory, possibly), still doesn't make the statement "we're smarter than chimps" incorrect.

Put the same 50 peice banana puzzle in front of a chimp and a 6 year old, the child will be able to associate and reason it together, the chimp will not.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But this is arbitrary. Why are those traits more superior then others?

Because those are some of the traits in how intelligence is measured; that's what we're talking about. Being able to climb a tree in 5 seconds, isn't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because those are some of the traits in how intelligence is measured; that's what we're talking about. Being able to climb a tree in 5 seconds, isn't.

Yes, and we have stacked the question in our favor. We once thought we were the only tool maker, and now we know that is not true. Maybe the same is true here; we are really not more intelligent, but they are just differently intelligent.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, and we have stacked the question in our favor. We once thought we were the only tool maker, and now we know that is not true. Maybe the same is true here; we are really not more intelligent, but they are just differently intelligent.

Yes, chimps use sticks to gather ants and termites, crows use rocks to crack eggs open, etc. etc. etc., that proves that animals do have intelligence; that isn't the issue though. No one is saying "chimps aren't intelligent", but chimps are not more intelligent than us.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, chimps you sticks to gather ants and termites, crows use rocks to crack eggs open, etc. etc. etc., that proves that animals do have intelligence, that isn't the issue though. No one is saying "chimps aren't intelligent", but chimps are not more intelligent than us.

But I have no problem with "more intelligent"; I have a problem with "superior". More intelligence, in the way you defined it, does not equate to superior to me.

Originally posted by Robtard
It just means that a chimp is better at certain factors (in this case short term memory, possibly), still doesn't make the statement "we're smarter than chimps" incorrect.

Put the same 50 peice banana puzzle in front of a chimp and a 6 year old, the child will be able to associate and reason it together, the chimp will not.

Piaget discusses things about cognitive reasoning and how people develop; just look into it.

Originally posted by Robtard

An exact clone of Einstein would still have the physical capabilities to be a genius though. Do you think if you were put in the same circumstances as Einstein, you would have been able to accomplish what he did?

What do "physical" anythings have to do with being a genius of science? Do you mean physical make-up of a person?

No telling simply because it would have to be the "exact" same thing. Unless you want to produce a real life Truman show, we will never know

Originally posted by chithappens
Piaget discusses things about cognitive reasoning and how people develop; just look into it.

What do "physical" anythings have to do with being a genius of science? Do you mean physical make-up of a person?

No telling simply because it would have to be the "exact" same thing. Unless you want to produce a real life Truman show, we will never know

What does that have to do with humans being more intelligent than chimps?

Physical make-up of a person's brain/mind. Take the mind of a genius (eg Einstein), the mind of your average Joe and the mind of Down Syndrome sufferer. There are physical difference in the mind; those physical differences are directly related to overall intelligence and maximum potential

You didn't answer my question, if you had the same outside influences/experiences, could you have accomplished what Einstein did? Are all minds created equal, and outside influence is the sole determining factor is ones capabilties?

Edit: Look up "Srinivasa Ramanujan", too see my point.

All people need nurturing in different areas and resources in front of them to accomplish whatever.

We are all capable of achieving the same thing.

Originally posted by chithappens
All people need nurturing in different areas and resources in front of them to accomplish whatever.

We are all capable of achieving the same thing.

In that case, what would it take for you to become one of the greatest mathematical genius?

Did you look up Ramanujan?

Not yet. I'm multi-tasking: revising short stories and poetry, doing stuff on Facebook, and talking to a friend. I will give it my full attention later.

Far as the math genius: I don't think there is a template. But it has to be encouraged and the resources have to be there

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But I have no problem with "more intelligent"; I have a problem with "superior". More intelligence, in the way you defined it, does not equate to superior to me.

Personally, I find the fact that I don't throw around my own shit, masturbate in public, kill my fellow species - makes me more superior than a chimp.

Originally posted by chithappens
Not yet. I'm multi-tasking: revising short stories and poetry, doing stuff on Facebook, and talking to a friend. I will give it my full attention later.

Far as the math genius: I don't think there is a template. But it has to be encouraged and the resources have to be there

Point is, not everyone is created equal in terms of intelligence/ability. No matter how hard I work or study, I know I don't have it in me to accomplished what a genius of mathematics can. Their minds work differently, they "see" numbers and equations differently than I do. Granted, I am not bad at math, but I am no true genius in the subject.

Same can be said about artistic ability, writing, invention etc. etc. etc., people are born with different capabilities.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Personally, I find the fact that I don't throw around my own shit, masturbate in public, kill my fellow species - makes me more superior than a chimp.

Sounds like my cousin. 😆

Originally posted by Robtard
Point is, not everyone is created equal in terms of intelligence/ability. No matter how hard I work or study, I know I don't have it in me to accomplished what a genius of mathematics can. Their minds work differently, they "see" numbers and equations differently than I do. Granted, I am not bad at math, but I am no true genius in the subject.

Same can be said about artistic ability, writing, invention etc. etc. etc., people are born with different capabilities.

I'm not sure that is true. It's hard to prove anything like that for a fact.

Originally posted by chithappens
I'm not sure that is true. It's hard to prove anything like that for a fact.

So then I ask you again, what's stopping an intelligent man like yourself from excelling about and beyond in mathematics or any one or more fields?