ROTS anakin vs siddious

Originally posted by Darth Martin
That's one book. the movie is the definative version of Lucas himself. Whether Yoda lost to begin with we don't know, but the movie(something you can visualy witness) shows it a bittt different IMO.

The movie is the highest form of canon but what you need to understand that the things in the book is canon unless it contradicts the movie. And the statement it says: "he just didn't have it" but that still could mean Yoda could give sidious a really great duel which he did and even come close to killing but the fact would still remain that Yoda lost because the force was on sidious's side and he was destined to lose before the duel started but it does not mean he would get pwned or anything of the sort.

And Obi was meant to beat Maul on Naboo. Maul had Obi beat but Lucas had Obi pull off a dumb miracle so that the saga could continue. 😐

Originally posted by Darth Martin
And Obi was meant to beat Maul on Naboo. Maul had Obi beat but Lucas had Obi pull off a dumb miracle so that the saga could continue. 😐

Pretty much yeah,Maul out dueled him but I guess you could say it was the will of the force that Kenobi beat Maul (who is better than him in every way as of TPM.) In fact in the new jedu vs sith guide book Sidious says he foresaw Maul's death but did not warn him.

Not "will of the force", one word Hollywood! The fact is that Maul had Obi beat, plain and simple. Not dead but beat, if it would have been on even ground he would be dead.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Not "will of the force", one word Hollywood! The fact is that Maul had Obi beat, plain and simple. Not dead but beat, if it would have been on even ground he would be dead.

Will of the force-Hollywood whatever you want to call it. rolleyes1

Whatever I'll debate on this some more tommorow, got to go now. Peace

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Whatever I'll debate on this some more tommorow, got to go now. Peace

What are we debating in here? I though we came to that Sidious had the will of the force on his side just like kenobi did in TPM. Keep in mind that this in-universe not the hollywood explanation. Which is why the good guys always win despite the enemy being stronger. Like Luke and the rebellion defeating Vader/Sidious and the imperial navy respectively.

Anyway later.

Darth Martin, you're being needlessly obtuse and ridiculous. The RotS novelization is G-canon -- on par with both the movies and the script -- unless the book contradicts the movie. The statement, made by the omniscient narrator, does not contradict the movies, screenplay, or George Lucas. At that point in RotS, the dark side had totally overcame the light side -- the revenge of the Sith was literally in play. The book does not say that Yoda was "pwned!1!" or that he was weaker than Palpatine; it simply said that he could not have won at that point. He was destined to lose.

As for who is stronger, it's obvious that neither of them had true superiority over the other. Both of them were equals.

^agreed

Exactly. Even though he was meant to win, Sidious was scared as hell when Yoda came to fight him, that's why he tried to run away: it could go either way. He didn't know if he was going to live or to die. That's why he thought it was better not to risk it. In terms of battle, they ARE EQUALS.

How do you know Sidious was scared as hell to fight Yoda? And what proof do you offer that they are equals?

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
How do you know Sidious was scared as hell to fight Yoda? And what proof do you offer that they are equals?

I think i'd start with the fact that he was running away, and the look on Sidious face when Yoda got up after Sids thought his first lightning blast finished him. In combat i'm picking Yoda. No question, every time.

The book says "Yoda found himself alone, against the dark." Yoda got beaten by thousands of years of Sith Lords turning the force against him.

That passage makes that extremely clear. It also makes it clear that all the years of the Jedi order didn't help Yoda at all. Yoda lost against the power of the darkside (and didn't lose by much at that) but as far as losing to sidious because sideous was a better combatant, IS NOT CANON.

Originally posted by truejedi
[BThe book says "Yoda found himself alone, against the dark." Yoda got beaten by thousands of years of Sith Lords turning the force against him.
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Um it also says

When those blades met, it was more than Yoda against Palpatine, more the millennia of Sith against the legions of Jedi; this was the expression of the fundamental conflict of the universe itself.

Light against dark.

Winner take all.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Um it also says

I would say, exactly my point. It wasn't just Yoda versus Sidious. It was the light versus the dark. The light was doomed to lose. It didn't mean that Sidious was that much more powerful than Yoda, it just meant that the dark side was destined to triumph in this one.

Originally posted by truejedi
I would say, exactly my point. It wasn't just Yoda versus Sidious. It was the light versus the dark. The light was doomed to lose. It didn't mean that Sidious was that much more powerful than Yoda, it just meant that the dark side was destined to triumph in this one.

I agree with you but your posted sounded more one sided to yoda yet sidious was described to fight the same thing.

i don't really know who would win, Yoda, or Sidious, in another circumstance.
Because Sids ran away at the beginning of their duel, in my opinion, Yoda would take Sidiuos. But i've read the book, and the reason i sounded one-sided earlier is because i was stressing that i disagreed with whoever it was who said a few posts back

that Yoda
"never had it" against Sidous meant Sidious was more dangerous than yoda.

I simply don't interpret it that way, so to claim that according to cannon that Siddious>Yoda is simply not true.

I say there are equal but Sidious was destined to win there and yoda was destined to lose.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
How do you know Sidious was scared as hell to fight Yoda? And what proof do you offer that they are equals?

Palpatine knew the battle could go either way. If he knew he would win, then he would have not tried to run. By trying to run, he tells us he was scared.

Can you blame him? Decades of manipulation and scheming just paid off, and sticking around to duke it out with Yoda would have put the whole thing at needless risk.

That's exactly what I mean. Knowing it was too risky, he tried to run.