Spike Tv's Video Game Awards, 2007

I never denied that they got good reviews, and that's what those rankings are based off of. However, some reviewers have admitted that they were blinded by the hype and overpraised the game. This is particularly true with Halo 2. I believe both IGN and 1up have both admitted that the scores for the game was too high, in retrospect, and they were overhyped for the game which inflated their scores.

Regardless, the people who review games are just that, people, and they are susceptible to hype just as much as anyone else.

Originally posted by BackFire
I never denied that they got good reviews, and that's what those rankings are based off of. However, some reviewers have admitted that they were blinded by the hype and overpraised the game. This is particularly true with Halo 2. I believe both IGN and 1up have both admitted that the scores for the game was too high, in retrospect, and they were overhyped for the game which inflated their scores.

Regardless, the people who review games are just that, people, and they are susceptible to hype just as much as anyone else.

There is another vote there as well...the gamers vote. Also, the professional sources are not limited to just the top 5...there are many reviewers scores on the list. Some reviewers review games for the sole purpose of debunking the mystery around a game while others match the gamers opinion.

No matter how you want to cut it up, Halo pwns all in sales and pwns almost all on reviews.

Halo 3 didn't win?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

"Agck" *gets attacked by Halo haters*

Originally posted by dadudemon
There is another vote there as well...the gamers vote. Also, the professional sources are not limited to just the top 5...there are many reviewers scores on the list. Some reviewers review games for the sole purpose of debunking the mystery around a game while others match the gamers opinion.

No matter how you want to cut it up, Halo pwns all in sales and pwns almost all on reviews.

Yes, but the ranking is based on the professional reviews by default. According to professional reviews, it's number 11, if you change the rankings to reflect the public votes on the site, it drops down to number 86.

I brought up IGN and 1up because if they admitted to over rating the game, then it's completely possible, and really, probable, that other sites did it as well.

And yeah, the Halo series sells well and gets well reviewed, not a word of denial against that from anyone, I don't think. What was brought into question, was whether or not that matters.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, but the ranking is based on the professional reviews by default. According to professional reviews, it's number 11, if you change the rankings to reflect the public votes on the site, it drops down to number 86.

I brought up IGN and 1up because if they admitted to over rating the game, then it's completely possible, and really, probable, that other sites did it as well.

And yeah, the Halo series sells well and gets well reviewed, not a word of denial against that from anyone, I don't think. What was brought into question, was whether or not that matters.

I thought the discussion was whether or not the game was good or bad...since sales are really the only thing that matters as far as manufacturing games goes...it doesn't matter what the gamer thinks or the reviewer thinks in the end...it only matters if the game clears the shelves....or are there actually software developers out there who actually make a game just to make a game that is good, disregarding sales?

But again, a good or bad game has nothing to do with sales. Sales are a non factor in discussing the actual quality of the game. A great game may not sell a single copy, and a bad game can have great sales. The idea of 'A million people can't be wrong" is faulty. Yes, they CAN be wrong.

You're confusing publishers and developers. Developers definitely care if their game is good, they are often in it for the art, to express themselves and such, they very much want their game to be good, usually they care about the quality of their game just as much, if not more, than the sales. Just so long as the game doesn't bomb and cause them to lose their jobs. Publishers are the ones who are likely only in it for the money and sales.

why do they bother with these awards shows... all they do is piss people off

Well of course they do. You can never make anyone happy.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
why do they bother with these awards shows... all they do is piss people off

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Well of course they do. You can never make anyone happy.

You can't make EVERYONE happy.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

That's what he meant, duhkrh.

well the thing is.. and I dont know if spike goes by votes or their own opinions.. people take the winners way too seriously, as though its some kind of factual evidence that their favorite game was superior to what might be another persons favorite game..

but it cant be helped I suppose...

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Originally posted by BackFire
But again, a good or bad game has nothing to do with sales. Sales are a non factor in discussing the actual quality of the game. A great game may not sell a single copy, and a bad game can have great sales. The idea of 'A million people can't be wrong" is faulty. Yes, they CAN be wrong.

You're confusing publishers and developers. Developers definitely care if their game is good, they are often in it for the art, to express themselves and such, they very much want their game to be good, usually they care about the quality of their game just as much, if not more, than the sales. Just so long as the game doesn't bomb and cause them to lose their jobs. Publishers are the ones who are likely only in it for the money and sales.

A good or bad game has a great deal to do with how the game sells. You are mixing your opinion up with the opinion of the masses. The argument is not about "a million people can't be wrong"...the argument is "millions of people can't be wrong". 6 months from now, what game will be the most played? Shouldn't that indicate which games are truly good games? A good game is not just gamer opinion...a good game is many factors

1. How well the game sells at opening.
2. How well the game sells after 3 months.
3. How well the game continues to sell after 6 months and beyond.
4. How may people continue to play the game at release, three months and six months and beyond.
5. How well the game was reviewed and rated by the publisher before release.
6. How well the game was rated by gaming magazines/websites.
7. How well the game was reviewed and rated by the actual gamers.
8. How marketable the game is on the Internet and TV and various other advertising methods.
9. How well the game is hyped in the underground and in the media.

Do you notice anything significant about all of those variables? Right...they all point towards making money. Sure, any one category can be negative and it not cause the game to fail...but fail at more than just one category and the game could fail as far as "money" is concerned...which is really the way a game gets published to begin with.

Did KOTOR deserve game of the year? Hell yes! It didn't have the best graphics...it didn't have the best advertisement...it didn't sell a ridiculous number of games at opening...but IN MY OPINION, it was game of the year for that year.

All of the Halo games are excellent as far as those above variables go...they are not perfect..but they are excellent games, none the less...that much cannot be denied...which is my point. People are entitled to their opinion....I don't really think Halo is all that great but I do recognize its excellence in the gaming community.

FYI...I really only play the Halo games for the single player. teehee 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
A good or bad game has a great deal to do with how the game sells. You are mixing your opinion up with the opinion of the masses. The argument is not about "a million people can't be wrong"...the argument is "millions of people can't be wrong". 6 months from now, what game will be the most played? Shouldn't that indicate which games are truly good games? A good game is not just gamer opinion...a good game is many factors

1. How well the game sells at opening.
2. How well the game sells after 3 months.
3. How well the game continues to sell after 6 months and beyond.
4. How may people continue to play the game at release, three months and six months and beyond.
5. How well the game was reviewed and rated by the publisher before release.
6. How well the game was rated by gaming magazines/websites.
7. How well the game was reviewed and rated by the actual gamers.
8. Howe marketable the game is on the Internet and TV and various other advertising methods.
9. How well the game is hyped in the underground and in the media.

Do you notice anything significant about all of those variables? Right...they all point towards making money. Sure, anyone category can be negative and it not cause the game to fail...but fail at more than just one category and the game could fail as far as "money" is concerned...which is really the way a game gets published to begin with.

Did KOTOR deserve game of the year? Hell yes! It didn't have the best graphics...it didn't have the best advertisement...it didn't sell a ridiculous number of games at opening...but IN MY OPINION, it was game of the year for that year.

All of the Halo games are excellent as far as those above variables go...they are not perfect..but they are excellent games, none the less...that much cannot be denied...which is my point. People are entitled to their opinion....I don't really think Halo is all that great but I do recognize its excellence in the gaming community.

FYI...I really only play the Halo games for the single player. teehee 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
FYI...I really only play the Halo games for the single player. teehee 😄

That's unheard of.

(Sarcasm)tongue

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Look at this GIANT post. 😄

Thank you for contributing to this thread with that very insightful comment. Can you take me on your next adventure, captain?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Thank you for contributing to this thread with that very insightful comment. Can you take me on your next adventure, captain?

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by dadudemon
Thank you for contributing to this thread with that very insightful comment. Can you take me on your next adventure, captain?

Originally posted by InnerRise
Really? omg

That's unheard of.

(Sarcasm)

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

No one I know bought the game for the single player....I will rent the game eventually to play through the single player...but you are saying that a lot of people just bought the game for the single player?