Is Christmas Religious For You?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
my point exactly, it has lost its true meaning. people use it now as an excuse to get off of work and buy presents for one another. what are they really celebrating?

However, Dec. 25th was a Pagan holiday long before the Christians picked that date for Christmas.

Originally posted by inimalist
I actually agree with this

I'd love it if there were an opt out option for celebrating christmas, but given the whole family thing, it really isn't a choice. I HAVE to celebrate christmas against my will.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so people who believe in christ are now classified as non intelligent? It's hypocrisy, celebrating a holiday that they have no belief in.

Lemme ask you this, is there a national holiday for muslims comparable to christmas?

National? No. The biggest Muslim holiday is Eid al Fitr.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
my point exactly, it has lost its true meaning. people use it now as an excuse to get off of work and buy presents for one another. what are they really celebrating?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so people who believe in christ are now classified as non intelligent? It's hypocrisy, celebrating a holiday that they have no belief in.

Lemme ask you this, is there a national holiday for muslims comparable to christmas?

And, yeah, it's Christmas.

Even the concept of the Christmas tree comes from paganism.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
um.....no, no you dont.

ummmm, ya, actually I do

that or tell my entire Christian family to stuff it on the single most important day they have... (yes, this is a personal not a sociological thing)

so maybe not HAVE to, but extremely obligated and guilted? absolutely.

Maybe to some of you Christmas is just a friendly gift giving family time, but lets not be so cynical, there are those who still celebrate the "true" meaning of christmas

Originally posted by inimalist
that or tell my entire Christian family to stuff it on the single most important day they have... (yes, this is a personal not a sociological thing)

So I'm guessing you actually get along with your in-laws?

Originally posted by inimalist
ummmm, ya, actually I do

that or tell my entire Christian family to stuff it on the single most important day they have... (yes, this is a personal not a sociological thing)

so maybe not HAVE to, but extremely obligated and guilted? absolutely.

Maybe to some of you Christmas is just a friendly gift giving family time, but lets not be so cynical, there are those who still celebrate the "true" meaning of christmas

Originally posted by Da Pittman
My mother-in-law bakes a birthday cake for Jesus and sings him a birthday song each year, I used to think this was crazy but I’ve found a lot of others that do this too. Maybe it is still crazy but she isn’t alone.

If she makes a good cake, then it's not crazy. 😆

Originally posted by Bardock42
How is that hypocritical. Do you even know what that word means? And what do you mean "now", they were always classified as delusional, the smart one realize that Christmas is way more than their little cult ritual though.

And, yeah, it's Christmas.

so you are of the opinion that christians cannot prove God's existence, so he doesnt exist, that there is no hard core evidence that he is in fact our savior, yes?

wait, muslims believe in Jesus Christ?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, basically it means one is a poser.

so you are of the opinion that christians cannot prove God's existence, so he doesnt exist, that there is no hard core evidence that he is in fact our savior, yes?

wait, muslims believe in Jesus Christ?

I am not of the opinion that he doesn't exist. But, yeah, there is no evidence that your saviour exists. There's not even conclusive evidence, that the guy you think is your saviour exists.

Well, yeah, they do, but that's not the point, as many, many other people that celebrate Christmas don't. You don't have to believe in Jesus Christ to celebrate Christmas.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
My mother-in-law bakes a birthday cake for Jesus and sings him a birthday song each year, I used to think this was crazy but I’ve found a lot of others that do this too. Maybe it is still crazy but she isn’t alone.

Nutcase.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

wait, muslims believe in Jesus Christ?

In Jesus, but not that he is the Christ.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Nutcase.

Although Christmas has traditionally been a Christian holiday, most elements of modern Christmas celebrations are really pagan.

There' s nothing inherently religious, much less Christian, about decorations, lights, Christmas trees, giving gifts, family gatherings, holiday meals and foods, etc.

It's just a reason to have a vacation.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not quite.

I am not of the opinion that he doesn't exist. But, yeah, there is no evidence that your saviour exists. There's not even conclusive evidence, that the guy you think is your saviour exists.

Well, yeah, they do, but that's not the point, as many, many other people that celebrate Christmas don't. You don't have to believe in Jesus Christ to celebrate Christmas.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

but you referred to yourself as belonging to a group of "intelligent" people, ones who do not believe in him. what makes your group intelligent, more intelligent than christians?

If you haven't noticed, Atheists think they're automatically smarter than religous people because they don't believe in what they consider a fairytale.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
then share with us your definition of the word.

It's not just pretending to be something, it is Saying you believe something and actually doing the opposite.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
but you referred to yourself as belonging to a group of "intelligent" people, ones who do not believe in him. what makes your group intelligent, more intelligent than christians?

If you read again you will see that is not what I said.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
before we go any further with this, I want to make it clear that I am asking because I really dont know what muslims believe in, I dont claim to be an expert on the subject.

Yeah, but your question is flawed. Since Christmas, is for muslims, just as it is for atheists and as it is for Christians.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So I'm guessing you actually get along with your in-laws?

I'm too young for in-laws... 🙁

I'm just a black sheep when it comes to religion

don't get me wrong, i love my family, I actually asked to opt out of the christmas stuff and just have a nice dinner and whatever with them. It didn't go so well, but... ya....

Originally posted by Da Pittman
My mother-in-law bakes a birthday cake for Jesus and sings him a birthday song each year, I used to think this was crazy but I’ve found a lot of others that do this too. Maybe it is still crazy but she isn’t alone.

wow, I hadn't actually experienced that... I remember singing happy birthday to jesus at christmas services, but no cake