Is Christmas Religious For You?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never acknowledged or denied that it did. I was agreeing with the clerk, that the WHOLE holiday season, the time before christmas until new years, can be referred to as "happy holidays."

So...you agreed with the opposite point the comic strip was making? Wouldn't that be "disagree" (sry if me englsh not gud)?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's a HOLIDAY whether you celebrate it as the birth of christ, or as a time for family.

True. A holiday called Christmas.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you dont believe in christ and celebrate it as a time to be with family. I believe in christ and celebrate it as his birthday.

Yes, I like when people come to the same conclusion after I debate with them, I just prefer if they'd admit it. That's shameful pride.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So...you agreed with the opposite point the comic strip was making? Wouldn't that be "disagree" (sry if me englsh not gud)?

True. A holiday called Christmas.

Yes, I like when people come to the same conclusion after I debate with them, I just prefer if they'd admit it. That's shameful pride.

BUT..to each their own, people can do what they want to, and I can still disagree.

So the fact remains that you think it is OK for atheists to celebrate christmas, whereas I do not......this is the part where you get off your high horse.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

BUT..to each their own, people can do what they want to, and I can still disagree.

So the fact remains that you think it is OK for atheists to celebrate christmas, whereas I do not......this is the part where you get off your high horse.

Nah, I am right, you wrong.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, I am right, you wrong.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well, you ARE German, OF COURSE you'd think that.

Is Christmas Religious For You?

Winter solstice

Pagans are running the world. 😱

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah. I think logically, of course I'd think that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I agree that late december to early january is a holiday season. one could even say it begins with thanksgiving. three different holidays in a little more than a month.

what, did I call it festivus or something?

I never denied that you do not celebrate christmas as a time to be with family. I merely stated that for someone to be an atheist and celebrate christmas is ludicrous.

BUT..to each their own, people can do what they want to, and I can still disagree.

So the fact remains that you think it is OK for atheists to celebrate christmas, whereas I do not......this is the part where you get off your high horse.

I know many people that don’t believe in Christmas and that is why they call it Xmas, they enjoy the season and the time with family and friends but don’t celebrate the birth of Christ. I think that if he was alive today he would rather have it be the time when people from all beliefs spread joy and good will and help others then just sit in mass, then again this is just my opinion.

Edit: Technically since I don’t go to mass then I’m not celebrating Christmas. 😉

it is OK for atheists to celebrate christmas

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I know many people that don’t believe in Christmas and that is why they call it Xmas, they enjoy the season and the time with family and friends but don’t celebrate the birth of Christ.

Originally posted by Storm
People are not taking Christ out of Christmas by using the abbreviation X-mas. The Greek letter Chi is written as an 'X', and is one of the first two letters of the Greek word Christ 'savior'.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

...the kind of statements that you make are the kinds of things I face regularly as an atheist, because public sentiment is more strongly opposed to the notion than many people realize. Most of it is un-true, and just a by-product of society's natural slant toward theism. But when I see people making such statements (like you do), I cringe, regardless of whether it's directed at me personally or not....because it's creating needless bias that can't lead to good.

Not really digi, because some of that bias also come from other atheists. Some claim to be the "stronger" atheists and call others the "weakest" or the implicit and the explicit atheists...or positive and negative atheism...whatever they go with..

I see it all as communities...christian..atheist...communism whatever...there will be indifferences among each other. Which will lead to misconceptions. It is better that no one can speak for the many nor the many can speak for one. It is bette to speak for one self than for others. These are also not products of society...but products of their own party.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfEvilTwin
I like Digi

We all do.

I don' t see how the distinction between strong atheism and weak atheism, reflecting the diversity which exists among atheists when it comes to their positions on the existence of gods, has anything to do with the claim that atheists would regard themselves as intellectually or rationally superior to theists.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Not really digi, because some of that bias also come from other atheists. Some claim to be the "stronger" atheists and call others the "weakest" or the implicit and the explicit atheists...or positive and negative atheism...whatever they go with..

I see it all as communities...christian..atheist...communism whatever...there will be indifferences among each other. Which will lead to misconceptions. It is better that no one can speak for the many nor the many can speak for one. It is bette to speak for one self than for others. These are also not products of society...but products of their own party.

But that's been my point all along. I haven't been trying to expunge atheists of all blame, nor indite Christians with the same claims. But speaking as if a religious "group" is a certain way is almost always wrong, because it's speaking in such generalized, unsupported terms.

A little of it might be the party, as you put it, but whichever party a person throws in with is a product of their own decision. It's not the religion that is angry, or compassionate, or dumb, or smart, or intolerant, etc. It's the person. So talking about all atheists, or all Christians, or all anything (since my point has been about the methodology of the logic, not the specific parties in question) is wrong, and quite often rude toward large groups of people who are wrongly labeled by such ignorance.

This all stemmed from my discussion with Mota, where I've given up entirely at this point. Any appeal to him for more compassion, or even just empirical reasoning, has been met with his attempts to justify his bigotry. It's sad, but I've run out of things to say and can't really repeat the same arguments if they haven't worked the first couple times.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
We all do.

As well you should.

😛

Originally posted by DigiMark007
But that's been my point all along. I haven't been trying to expunge atheists of all blame, nor indite Christians with the same claims. But speaking as if a religious "group" is a certain way is almost always wrong, because it's speaking in such generalized, unsupported terms.

A little of it might be the party, as you put it, but whichever party a person throws in with is a product of their own decision. It's not the religion that is angry, or compassionate, or dumb, or smart, or intolerant, etc. It's the person. So talking about all atheists, or all Christians, or all anything (since my point has been about the methodology of the logic, not the specific parties in question) is wrong, and quite often rude toward large groups of people who are wrongly labeled by such ignorance.

This all stemmed from my discussion with Mota, where I've given up entirely at this point. Any appeal to him for more compassion, or even just empirical reasoning, has been met with his attempts to justify his bigotry. It's sad, but I've run out of things to say and can't really repeat the same arguments if they haven't worked the first couple times.

Or we could simplified everything and just say that there are individuals who possess such large egos. That don't matter what they think is right...makes themselves look bad and put a stain on their respective idealism. Which leads to others with even larger egos to make judgements.

It's a clash of egos. 😉

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfEvilTwin
Whatever! Digi makes more sense.

Stop taking sides.

I went back about 4 pages to search for the evil twin guy, not realizing it was just WD d*cking around.

😮

😂

The assumption that "atheists think themselves superior to those who are religious" has the same problem as the assumption that "all Christians are batshit insane".

It's not at all true. What it is is the craziest minority is always the loudest and thus always the section focused on, and thus everyone else who has the same beliefs (or lack of) is also generalized to be like this.

But it's NOT indicative of how the majority is at all.

At any rate, Christmas has never really been a religious holiday in my family. It's just a fun (well, relatively speaking, I'm actually not very fond of this time of year) day for us to try and not kill each other and stuff.

Edit: Damn you WD, you more or less made the same point I did while I was posting because I was thinking too long on making sure I worded things to make sense 😛

Lana = pwnt

Also, our points are all interrelated, so a 👆 to both.

I don't celebrate Xmas, since I'm an atheist.

It's lost it's religious meaning amidst the commercialism and whoring of the holiday to consumers around the world.

I do, however, exchange gifts with my loved ones and spend quality holiday time with them.