Martian Manhunter vs World War Hulk

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Gladiators confidence is a plot device in itself. Just like Hulks strength so why not. If we can accept Hulk regenerating from atoms...I don't find it hard accepting Gladiator breaking adamantium.

did Maestro comeback from the dead in 616 continuity? YES.
did Prof. Hulk go toe-to-toe with said Maestro? YES.
did Maestro acknowledge Prof. Hulk to have the same powers? YES.

and more importantly, is WWH arc Hulk more powerful than Prof. Hulk? YES, thus he is the most powerful Hulk ever :. he can and would exceed Maestro's feats.

Originally posted by janus77
[B]flawed analogy.
did "alternative timeline Gladiator" (henceforth ATG) break 616 Adamantium?

Mirror Universe..to 616.

Originally posted by Kutulu
But in this case, Maestro said that Hulk had all the same abilities that he did, so wouldn't that count?

can you show that it wasnt just him saying it for the sake of saying it?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes. 😒

.. but I'd still do you.

then what the hell are you waiting for, an invitation? 😠

So then Blink did kill Phoenix... huzzah!

😂

Originally posted by strengthkills
They were shown fighting as equals,Maestro said it himself and considering his personality,why would he lie?

yeah, i have no idea who maestro is, hence me not having an opinion one way or the other... if you can prove he's the same, then i dont see why you cant use him...

so why are people against him being used?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oooh on a semi-not-that-related note... Storm became Phoenix in an alternate universe... fear

to paraphrase someone on this forum... *cough*

SHUT YOUR DAMN WHORE MOUTH!

or something... heh. 😮

Originally posted by pr1983
can you show that it wasnt just him saying it for the sake of saying it?

yeah, i have no idea who maestro is, hence me not having an opinion one way or the other... if you can prove he's the same, then i dont see why you cant use him...

so why are people against him being used?

The thing is, is that Maestro is the Hulk, just a future version. He has all the same abilities, and tells Hulk that he has all the same abilities. That leads me to believe, that they have the same abilities.

As far as why people are against him being used, no idea.

I'm something like a fanboy of MM, but even i know that he'd lose this fight.

He's weaker than Hulk, less durable, and while on paper he's a monster, he's not consistently that dude in execution.

Taking his powerset he'd pawn, but taking his history, he'd end up in a goop on the floor, sputtering offworld gibberish.

pr said whore vin

Doesn't matter if she became Phoenix... Blink will just kill her.

To clarify, pr, the line of thought goes as follows, as far as I've been able to follow it:
Maestro has been shown to regenerate from an atom or something similarly minute. Maestro said he and Hulk have the same powers, being alternate universe versions and all. Ergo one can jump to the conclusion that Hulk can regenerate from an atom.

The counterargument appears to be that we generally don't use the feats of alternate universe versions of characters for 616 characters, and that 616 Hulk hasn't been shown to do anything near regenerate from an atom, regardless of what Maestro (the alternate universe version in question) may have said.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
pr said whore vin

Doesn't matter if she became Phoenix... Blink will just kill her.

Blink beat the Fury and Sage(With Omniversal Knowledge) as well. 😛 Claremonts an ass. 😬

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Blink beat the Fury and Sage(With Omniversal Knowledge) as well. 😛 Claremonts an ass. 😬

She's just taking down Abstracts left and right.

Originally posted by Kutulu
The thing is, is that Maestro is the Hulk, just a future version. He has all the same abilities, and tells Hulk that he has all the same abilities. That leads me to believe, that they have the same abilities.

As far as why people are against him being used, no idea.

is this it?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
To clarify, pr, the line of thought goes as follows, as far as I've been able to follow it:
Maestro has been shown to regenerate from an atom or something similarly minute. Maestro said he and Hulk have the same powers, being alternate universe versions and all. Ergo one can jump to the conclusion that Hulk can regenerate from an atom.

The counterargument appears to be that we generally don't use the feats of alternate universe versions of characters for 616 characters, and that 616 Hulk hasn't been shown to do anything near regenerate from an atom, regardless of what Maestro (the alternate universe version in question) may have said.

if so... maestro is a future version of hulk right? so he isn't current... obviously... dur on me for being captain obvious...

while the hulk's hf is strong, i cant see current hulk (even wwh) regenerating from an atom to be honest...

whether i believe that or not though, if maestro is a future version, then no, i dont believe he can be used, simply because there's no telling how much the hulk had changed/evolved in the time it took to become maestro... if he was current, then you might squeeze him in, but future versions are out of the question imo... there are far too many variables...

pr said whore vin

yes, yes i did... flirt

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She also killed the Inbetweener... 😏

She's just taking down Abstracts left and right.

Why'd you have to open up that can of worms. 🙁

Originally posted by pr1983
is this it?

if so... maestro is a future version of hulk right? so he isn't current... obviously... dur on me for being captain obvious...

while the hulk's hf is strong, i cant see current hulk (even wwh) regenerating from an atom to be honest...

whether i believe that or not though, if maestro is a future version, then no, i dont believe he can be used, simply because there's no telling how much the hulk had changed/evolved in the time it took to become maestro... if he was current, then you might squeeze him in, but future versions are out of the question imo... there are far too many variables...

yes, yes i did... flirt

Originally posted by pr1983
if so... maestro is a future version of hulk right? so he isn't current... obviously... dur on me for being captain obvious...

while the hulk's hf is strong, i cant see current hulk (even wwh) regenerating from an atom to be honest...

whether i believe that or not though, if maestro is a future version, then no, i dont believe he can be used, simply because there's no telling how much the hulk had changed/evolved in the time it took to become maestro... if he was current, then you might squeeze him in, but future versions are out of the question imo... there are far too many variables...

also, the way that Maestro is tied into The Hulk stories implies that he has already affected 616 Hulk, and is responsible for Hulk's ability to hone in on the site of the initial gamma bomb (Hulk has a sort of radar for finding his way back to there, no matter where he is).

furthermore, Maestro's statement that was that ALL Hulks have the same ability to comeback from the dead. not just him.

also Prof. Hulk was taken to the future to fight Maestro because he was the only one thought capable of defeating Maestro, obviously Maestro was not in any way "upgraded" beyond just having a higher base-level... something that fluctuates between different versions of The Hulk anyway (grey, savage, prof...).

The whole arc was set 100 years in the future from that period, so... no telling if that's a parallel time now or not, given that Prof. Hulk is some time in the past.

all evidence - including on-panel EXPLICIT statement - points to the fact that Maestro = Hulk, there is nothing in his powerset that is any different from a regular Hulk.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Errr. How did we get on this topic anyway? Is it really essential to the debate at hand? Because I don't see how healing from a single atom would even be necessary for the Hulk in this fight. It's not like J'onn can reduce him to an atom anyway... unless that is an assertion someone is making and I just missed it?

just a tangent off that, yes.

started off with some assertion that Hulk wouldn't survive having his synapse fried, something that MM's incapable of doing anyway but still ... baseless and wholly ignorant of the power of Hulk's HF.

Originally posted by Soljer
As far as I've seen, his 'contributions' easily dwarf your own. 😬.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Coming from you, that statement means nothing. 🙄 Even Nvr is a better debater than you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Errr. How did we get on this topic anyway? Is it really essential to the debate at hand? Because I don't see how healing from a single atom would even be necessary for the Hulk in this fight. It's not like J'onn can reduce him to an atom anyway... unless that is an assertion someone is making and I just missed it?

i got here two pages ago, how do you think i feel?

Originally posted by janus77
he's also gone toe-to-toe with Prof. Hulk and not been superior in anyway bar base-level strength and a greater degree of cunning.

also, the way that Maestro is tied into The Hulk stories implies that he has already affected 616 Hulk, and is responsible for Hulk's ability to hone in on the site of the initial gamma bomb (Hulk has a sort of radar for finding his way back to there, no matter where he is).

furthermore, Maestro's statement that was that ALL Hulks have the same ability to comeback from the dead. not just him.

also Prof. Hulk was taken to the future to fight Maestro because he was the only one thought capable of defeating Maestro, obviously Maestro was not in any way "upgraded" beyond just having a higher base-level... something that fluctuates between different versions of The Hulk anyway (grey, savage, prof...).

The whole arc was set 100 years in the future from that period, so... no telling if that's a parallel time now or not, given that Prof. Hulk is some time in the past.

all evidence - including on-panel EXPLICIT statement - points to the fact that Maestro = Hulk, there is nothing in his powerset that is any different from a regular Hulk.

yeah, umm, ive never read anything about maestro, so i'm pretty much going on everything i'm being told here...

so maestro said all hulk's can regenerate from an atom?

also, i never even gave my opinion on the fight i don't think...

non pis, j'onn for a fair majority, pis involved, j'onn has some awfully poor showings, so hulk could easily get a majority...

It's basically what I said many pages ago, before this thread morphed into alternate universe discussions and continuity implications on different versions of Hulk. No PIS: MM takes the majority. PIS: and the hulk beats him down.

How does taking PIS out of the situation change the fact that WWH and his weaker incarnations have taken on everything that MMH could dish out? Personally, I don't care about the Maestro because y'know what, J'onn isn't reducing WWH to an atom anyway. Intangible attack, telepathic attack, martian vision, super-strength and any combination... what'll it all accomplish?

Most of the time, it'll result in a more enraged WWH, and a vulnerable and/or more progressively weaker MMH. Only thing that could stop WWH was turning off his healing factor, overloading his power and nullifying his gamma radiation. I don't see MMH doing any of those things.

WWH 8/10.

How does MM win this. HE tries mind attacks and fails. HE tries to go toe to toe strength and fails even more. Intangibility fails. Martian vision makes wwh angrier. WWh undoubted winner

there's no reasoning provided for how MM would win, merely the attempt to reduce to "PIS" all of Hulk's record of resisting and overcoming a variety of forms of mind-attack.

MM has nothing with which to effectively attack Hulk, as you both point out. this fight will stalemate for a while as MM exhausts himself, then Hulk just destroys MM.