Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So does the Wolverine that killed the Hulk in the What if in a divergent timeline. And so does the Gladiator from the mirror universe. And so does the AoA Magneto that killed Apocalypse. And so does every What if character that caused a divergence in the 616 Universe.
what Maestro feat do you think Hulk couldn't achieve?
and do you acknowledge that WWH > Maestro Hulk?
Originally posted by janus77
which is beside the point as Maestro and Prof. Hulk were reintegrated INTO 616.what Maestro feat do you think Hulk couldn't achieve?
and do you acknowledge that WWH > Maestro Hulk?
So was the AoA timeline when 616 was restored.
It's speculation and breaking of rules.
WWH wasn't around enough to demonstrate coming back from a single atom so saying WWH > Maestro Hulk in every aspect is speculation.
This is getting silly and going no where. Honestly though since when do we allow alternate future versions of 616 characters to be used as viable feats? Anyone preferably a user who has been on KMC for a long period of time?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So does the Wolverine that killed the Hulk in the What if in a divergent timeline. And so does the Gladiator from the mirror universe. And so does the AoA Magneto that killed Apocalypse. And so does every What if character that caused a divergence in the 616 Universe.
Yeah,but those are divirgent.
They dont come close to home,ever.
The punisher killed everyone in his What If,has he ever shown that ability in 616?
The reader has to use common sense when it comes to this,If Maestro and Merged Hulk were fighting at equal terms,then wouldnt WWH logically be >Maestro?
Originally posted by KutuluHow did I defend Soljer?
I was wondering when the rest of the elite peanut gallery would pop in to defend Soljer. Now you just need Val to comment for the unholy trio to be complete. 🙄
Yeh... I'm in a click! Did we rape your dog, and kill your sister or something? Or, are you just this defensive because you're naturally a big dick with a tiny dick?
On the other hand... go Soljer!
EDIT: Martian Manhunter wins.
Originally posted by strengthkills
Yeah,but those are divirgent.They dont come close to home,ever.
The punisher killed everyone in his What If,has he ever shown that ability in 616?
The reader has to use common sense when it comes to this,If Maestro and Merged Hulk were fighting at equal terms,then wouldnt WWH logically be >Maestro?
The Maestro future would also be a divergent timeline. The Gladiator feat is from a universe which is a mirror of 616.
But then you see that's when double standards can occur. That would mean we can pick and choose which What if universes are viable and which aren't? 😬
Originally posted by pr1983Spoilsport. 🙁
Guys, this thread is close to being shut down... if you don't have anything to contribute to the actual match, then i suggest you go to a thread you want to contribute to...
Anyway to my knowledge, and I've been here on and off for about 2-3 years, we've never used alternate versions as indicative of 616 levels.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Maestro future would also be a divergent timeline. The Gladiator feat is from a universe is which is mirror of 616.But then you see that's when double standards can occur. That would mean we can pick and choose which What if feats a viable and which aren't? 😬
Honest question, not a flame, but What-If storylines and such are alternate universes, whereas divergent timelines (example being the Black Celestial arc) are still canon, are they not? Meaning it's an alternate timeline that diverged from universe 616, so for all intensive purposes it's the same powers and such that the characters in 616 possess.
At least that's my understanding of it.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Honest question, not a flame, but What-If storylines and such are alternate universes, whereas divergent timelines (example being the Black Celestial arc) are still canon, are they not? Meaning it's an alternate timeline that diverged from universe 616, so for all intensive purposes it's the same powers and such that the characters in 616 possess.At least that's my understanding of it.
What if's are divergent timelines. Even I know that. Diverged from the 616 as well.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So was the AoA timeline when 616 was restored.It's speculation and breaking of rules.
WWH wasn't around enough to demonstrate coming back from a single atom so saying WWH > Maestro Hulk in every aspect is speculation.
there is speculation in almost every Vs thread, what matters is how tightly you argue your point, the degree to which you can flesh out a viable scenario and the way you go about substantiating supporting parts of your argument using feats.
that Maestro is The Hulk is something you can't deny, since he says it in 616. it is no longer 'speculation' to suggest that The Hulk and Maestro are the same powerset.
what Maestro did IN the regular 616 timeline, is not a "what if" or an "alternative timeline". the speculation/alternative timeline parts are the trophy room stuff, the superheroes that he bested... all that is up for grabs and speculative, and outside of the regular 616 timeline.
what Prof. Hulk did, how he fought with Maestro... that's also 616 timeline, since he went into the future from 616 and return to 616.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Maestro future would also be a divergent timeline. The Gladiator feat is from a universe is which is mirror of 616.But then you see that's when double standards can occur. That would mean we can pick and choose which What if feats a viable and which aren't? 😬
Who in 616 has ever bent adamantium? No one has,Gladiator whaled on Cap Americas shield(which is comparable) and didnt do anything.
Thier power levels arent the same obviously,but Maestro and Merged were shown as peers or equals.It wouldnt be a stretch to assume WWH is Maestros better.
Hulk has feats that match Maestros and even surpass them,616 Gladiator
doesnt have the showings to put him above someone who has bent Beta Adamantium.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What if's are divergent timelines. Even I know that. Diverged from the 616 as well.
The reason I bring this up is that in the Black Celestial arc, it was a future timeline of mainstream 616 that if left unchecked, would eventually have ramifications on mainstream 616 as well. Whereas something in a what-if, no matter if that whole universe died, wouldn't affect 616 (example the Korvac arc where that universe got sealed off by LT).
Originally posted by strengthkills
Who in 616 has ever bent adamantium? No one has,Gladiator whaled on Cap Americas shield(which is comparable) and didnt do anything.Thier power levels arent the same obviously,but Maestro and Merged were shown as peers or equals.It wouldnt be a stretch to assume WWH is Maestros equal.
Hulk has feats that match Maestros and even surpass them,616 Gladiator
doesnt have the showings to put him above someone who has bent Beta Adamantium.
Hulk technically bent primary adamantium during Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #12; and The Incredible Hulk vol.2, #300