Originally posted by grey foxthat was so stupid.
Gladiator fell due to Hulk ramming him into his weakness. Hulk could beat Supes if they started the fight in a room full of K-nite.
what is in space in abundance, not to mention in stars? radiation.
yet, the relatively tame core of a reactor is going to hurt him? ok.
Originally posted by janus77
because they're indicating that both Strange and Hulk are physically connected to the Astral Plane. that they are not Spectral bodies (devoid of material substance) but outgrowths of material forms.it's like the way Neo gets a bloody mouth from falling whilst inside The Matrix.
i tought that what happened was this:
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It's magical astral projection. I can't even remember the scene properly. For some reason I'm under the impression that Strange appeared in the Hulks head as a intagible Blue Astral Projection and when Banners "consciousness" showed up and Strange thought he helped the Hulk and extended his hand he "magically" became corporeal on the astral level(coloured).
Originally posted by KK the GreatHe doesn't have to. There are plenty of times that J'onn's telepathic powes have come up short against the telepathy of foes like Despero, Maxwell Lord, Gorilla Grodd, Dr. Psycho and Hector Hammond.
Could you be more specific?If you could, focus on examples of his telepathy being portrayed as weak.
Considering most people never bother to read Incredible Hulk or his respect thread, I think it's fair to say that near everyone on KMC figures a mental attack = KO on the Hulk. It's almost ALWAYS been shown to be the other way around. Punking Xavier was only the most recent of his feats.
And in my honest opinion, Professor X isn't as far off from J'onn in his mental abilities as some posters like to think he is. Professor X has galaxy spanning feats, mass global population feats and has confronted abstracts as well. And take it with a grain of salt as you will, but Ed Brubaker has commented that ever since returning from the M'Kraan crystal, Xavier's powers have increased and it was this Xavier that utterly failed to affect World War Hulk.
Moving onto phasing, I don't think phasing will do any good. Indeed, phasing into the World War Hulk will likely cause J'onn more damage. World War Hulk could simply heal from it, and J'onn would open himself up to physical attacks by becoming tangible. Nothing came close to k'o'ing World War Hulk except for when his healing factor was turned off. J'onn doesn't have the ability to do that.
And then what does J'onn have? Super strength? Super-speed? Martian vision? Nothing that WWH couldn't handle. Frankly, J'onn does not have the raw power output of the Sentry to burn WWH out, it that is indeed what happened at the conclusion. Even I'm hard pressed to interpret what happened. Frankly, I think WWH beat Sentry, lost his anger as he decided then and there to be a hero and reverted to Banner conciously at the same time Sentry was reverting to Reynolds.
Bottom-line, he punked the entire population of Marvel Earth heroes. Sometimes he had help, other times he one-shotted and single-handedly tore through them. J'onn has some JLA solo feats, but the ones posted on the last page have nothing on what WWH did.
WWH 8/10 and that's being generous.
With no PIS or CIS, MM obviously takes this 10/10. Phase KO. TP KO. BFR. He has it all over hulk, with exception of brute strength. As someone said earlier in the thread, there's no way a one trick pony like the Hulk beats MM in a straight battle.
And MM can phase on the Hulk, what in Hulk's physiology would prevent that from happening? Leave PIS out of this.
Phasing is never going to work on The Hulk, he'll just increase in density and trap MM inside him, causing MM to die.
he's trapped Vision before, he's also overcome - quite effortlessly - being phased into the ground whilst battling a plethora of X-fodder, including the mental attacks of Xavier.
TP attacks will similarly fail to get anywhere with him, his mind has proved to be more than resilient enough to shake off Xavier and others too (forgot who, but there was more than one attack upon him, during the exchange with the X-men).
all MM has is speed, flight and some defensive flexibility. they won't ever result in a win against The Hulk, but they're enough - perhaps - to stalemate for a duration (eventually MM will tire whereas Hulk never will - due to his ever increasing anti-fatigue HF).
Xavier never attacked him during WWH afai can think. And Emma took diamond form rendering her telepathically powerless. The Stepford Cuckoos didn't enter the fray. So which multiple telepaths attacked him in WWH X-Men. 🤨
And for some reason "stronger than ever" Xavier was effortlessly blocked by Emma.
Just as an NB, among other things, this is what Xavier has shown himself capable of:
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
This is Xavier commandeering the mind of the people of Earth to drive off the Z'nox.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5315/z1cv4.jpg
http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/6351/z2fy6.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3699/z1oe3.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2963/z3js4.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7892/z2rl6.jpgThis is Xavier transmitting the thoughts and emotions of the population of the Skrull throneworld, to Galactus - which imo, would entail bypassing Galactus' mental defenses.
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8597/05lh7.jpgThis is Xavier harnessing the mental energy on a planetary scale again, gathering the mental energy from Selandiar, and it's used to attack the mind of Ego, the Living Planet.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3601/0maximumsecurity32jk8.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7658/0maximumsecurity33pe7.jpgThis is Xavier taking Namor and Strange into the Collective Unconsciousness of the Universe.
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/7713/newavengersilluminati00yi0.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4674/newavengersilluminati00rl0.jpgThis is Xavier battling Dark Phoenix.
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/75/uncannyxmen19800813614mf5.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7321/uncannyxmen19800813615mv5.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6250/uncannyxmen19800813616jj9.jpgThis is Xavier alongside Thanos and Adam Warlock fighting the Goddess with his telepathic powers.
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http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crusades0616ip8.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crusades061718jh1.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crusades0619ff8.jpgThis is Xavier psiblasting Cassandra Nova, in utero, before he was even born.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9338/xmen12117dt7.jpgXavier recalling how he learned of the Z'nox, by telepathically scanning stars for life:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7262/z4lo7.jpg
Again telepathy traversing half a star system to locate Kitty and Nightcrawler.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7262/z4lo7.jpgOnslaught is the result of Xavier's powers combined with Magneto.
Cassandra Nova is the result of Xavier's powers.
Having also previously done this:
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenfc5dcp0027wz8.jpg
And stated this:
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xavier2mk3.jpg
Although the latter may be Xavier being a liar liar pants on fire.
So if one thinks an accurate portrayal of Xavier is him going "Ah what a migraine." from reading a mind, they may want to reconsider.
People are really quick to forget that J'onn has horrible staying power, in his bio it states that he can only operate at Superman levels for 5 minutes, and then he would return to meta levels (class 5) which is half of what Spiderman used to be. how is this guy going to win? I just don't see him putting the Hulk away in 5 minutes.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He doesn't have to. There are plenty of times that J'onn's telepathic powes have come up short against the telepathy of foes like Despero, Maxwell Lord, Gorilla Grodd, Dr. Psycho and Hector Hammond.
Thats exactly the **** im talking about. I dont read JLA but common sense indicates those feats are PIS. Why, because if hes that powerful he could virtually beat anybody anywhere at anytime. Obvoulsy he cant and thats why we have a JLA comic.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Xavier never attacked him during WWH afai can think. And Emma took diamond form rendering her telepathically powerless. The Stepford Cuckoos didn't enter the fray. So which multiple telepaths attacked him in WWH X-Men. 🤨
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0006.jpg
Emma states that Xavia and Emma tried to control him
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/HulkresistsDrstrange1.jpg
Dr Strange trys to control Hulk, apparently he was prepped as well.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd for some reason "stronger than ever" Xavier was effortlessly blocked by Emma.
Do you have a scan of the incident? If this did happen all I can say is the intention of WWh was to show his power. Emma efortlessly blacking Xavier is bad writing but WWH resisting Xavier is not.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
People are really quick to forget that J'onn has horrible staying power, in his bio it states that he can only operate at Superman levels for 5 minutes, and then he would return to meta levels (class 5) which is half of what Spiderman used to be.
We don't forget. We just ignore things that are patently untrue.
Originally posted by AlfheimEmma thinking that neither of them could control them and either of them having tried and failed are two different things. Xavier was incredibly passive during the entire encounter, there's no indication anywhere in the miniseries that he tried to control the Hulk. Maybe Emma tried? But it's never indicated either and for most of it she's in diamond form where she lacks telepathy. While in human form the only thing we're told she's doing is coordinating the others.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0006.jpgEmma states that Xavia and Emma tried to control him
Besides, Charles has done it before already ermmhappy
Originally posted by AlfheimCurrent Dr Strange loses to ninjas.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/HulkresistsDrstrange1.jpgDr Strange trys to control Hulk.
Originally posted by AlfheimIt's in WWH: X-Men #2 I believe; Xavier tries to use his powers to stop his X-Men from interfering, but can't because Emma's blocking him. Nowhere in the mini does it indicate Xavier tried to control or attack the Hulk. Edit: Found the scan in Emma's Respect thread http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=422113ry1.jpg
Do you have a scan of the incident?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Emma thinking that neither of them could control them and either of them having tried and failed are two different things. Xavier was incredibly passive during the entire encounter, there's no indication anywhere in the miniseries that he tried to control the Hulk. Maybe Emma tried? But it's never indicated either and for most of it she's in diamond form where she lacks telepathy. While in human form the only thing we're told she's doing is coordinating the others.
Heres the thing though she said "couldnt", I thought was past tense ie they must have tried at some point. If she said "cant", that implies to me that she is assuming that she is not able to do this.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Current Dr Strange loses to ninjas.
He was prepped and more powerful....dont know how powerful though....
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's in WWH: X-Men #2 I believe; Xavier tries to use his powers to stop his X-Men from interfering, but can't because Emma's blocking him.
Well ok its bad writing that Emma could block him but not bad writing that WWh resisted him....IF this did happen.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nowhere in the mini does it indicate Xavier tried to control or attack the Hulk.
I'll look into but I think "couldnt" implies past tense.
Originally posted by Alfheim
IF this did happen.
Muhahahaha 😖hifty: , Note: Xaviers powers are back and he's stronger then ever (See Uncanny X-Men #487)
There's more references of Xaviers Power Upgrade in the Endangered Species One-Shot as well.
She recently similtaneously did the same to Exodus, Mr. Sinister and Lady Mastermind. 😖hifty:
Erratum: Xavier does state that Hulk's mind is difficult to control, and the "rageforce" is overwhelming as he reads Hulk's mind. Leaving him and everyone else a mess.
So apparently Xavier sucks now and "sad feelings" will do him in, just like "sad feelings" can apparently breach emotionless Emma's diamond form telepathic immunity. Huzzah! Never mind pushing the thoughts of a planet into Galactus, if Big G had been in a funk from being dumped or something then Xavier would have just keeled over.
