Elder God vs. Sephiroth

Originally posted by Burning thought
you dont know anything on kain, first he cannot even die, he can teleport, speed is not everything, especially when an opponent cannot even do anything,also full powered kain can do as i said, time bolt to freeze sephiroth in time, or he could use various TK moves, or mind rape Sephiroth, he could rip out sephiroths soul or life essence, he would simply defeat Sephiroth every way possible

or simple BFR Sephiroth with a dimensional attack, he could just continually smash sephiroth, kains sword>>>>>Sephiroth by far, lets do one of V2Ds list, i dont know all his things but here goes

Strength= neither imo, id give it to Sephiroth because its something that kain doesnt need to win any battle

magic power= Kain is boundless in magic overall and has more magical powers than Sephiroth would count, all of which are activated with hand gestures or wrist movements

reach= Kain, he uses a massive two handed sword called the soul reaver

speed= Kain, Dimensional speed teleports>>>anything sephiroth can do

intellect= Kain, he has the mind emblem, can read minds himself and is a good 10,000 years of age as well as being a general in two wars at the same time as political rulings over Nosgoth AND fighting his own fate across time and space, also he knows past, present and future with the Time emblem

overall Kain easily, add the fact he cannot die so all Sephiroths sword attacks are useless and he can escape basically any prison through mist, teleportation or going to another dimension completly

he tries to fly but is pulled down because of TK, or held still with kains wonderful TK shackles, his spells bounce off kains shield as does his sword blows, Kain laughs as Sephiroths supernova kills Sephiroth, and thats if hes lucky enough to even cast a spell while his being slashed to pieces by the reaver, each tough capable of blowing a normal man into pieces, Sephiroth will feel it and have his soul or the fancy "life essence/stream" drained away from him, hell go into a childlike position and cry out for kain to stop

Lol this is Kains teleport spell? At the end of the vid, he has to charge a spell just to teleport, that will only help him to run away, not used in an offensive way

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he'll have his arms chopped off before he can cast a teleport spell, and no slow "time projectile" will catch Sephiroth, show me Kain moving faster then Loz, because Sephiroth is even faster then Loz, Sephiroth has much stronger TK then Kain, without even exerting himself one bit, he can bring down the top of a skyscraper, and compress the most powerful spell in the world, and Sephiroth doesnt have a soul.

Lets assume Sephiroth is a boss battle against Kain, can Kain BFR them via dimensional attack? If so, then show me

Strength = Sephiroth by far

Magic = Sephiroth controls a great portion of the lifestream, do you know how much materia can be made with lifestream? From creating life, magic in every form of element, to summons even holy.. things that can rip apart the planet in mere seconds.

Reach = Sephiroth uses a 6 foot + sword, that is unbreakable, he swings it around like its a chopstick, slicing anything it comes into contact with.

Even if Kain wont die, Sephiroth will nullify him

If Kain tries to slash Sephiroth with his reaver, he'll just realize hes slashing at nothing only to feel his arms and legs being chopped off by Sephiroth behind him.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Lol this is Kains teleport spell? At the end of the vid, he has to charge a spell just to teleport, that will only help him to run away, not used in an offensive way

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he'll have his arms chopped off before he can cast a teleport spell, and no slow "time projectile" will catch Sephiroth, show me Kain moving faster then Loz, because Sephiroth is even faster then Loz, Sephiroth has much stronger TK then Kain, without even exerting himself one bit, he can bring down the top of a skyscraper, and compress the most powerful spell in the world, and Sephiroth doesnt have a soul.

Lets assume Sephiroth is a boss battle against Kain, can Kain BFR them via dimensional attack? If so, then show me

Strength = Sephiroth by far

Magic = Sephiroth controls a great portion of the lifestream, do you know how much materia can be made with lifestream? From creating life, magic in every form of element, to summons even holy.. things that can rip apart the planet in mere seconds.

Reach = Sephiroth uses a 6 foot + sword, that is unbreakable, he swings it around like its a chopstick, slicing anything it comes into contact with.

Even if Kain wont die, Sephiroth will nullify him

If Kain tries to slash Sephiroth with his reaver, he'll just realize hes slashing at nothing only to feel his arms and legs being chopped off by Sephiroth behind him.

thats one of them yeh, he doesnt charge it however when he dimension teleports here:

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or when he teleports here:

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so now he doesnt have to charge anything matter of fact, seems he can choose what way he does it, wheras Sephiroth casting differnt spells, most of them are all cast times, take a good while....show me him teleporting btw, i cant remember seeing Sephiroth teleport for a little while

so what, he wont be able to move a muslce or even try and TK after Kain moves his wrist and Sephiroth is in a TK shackle, Sephiroth cannot TK shackle

yeh rite, prove this please, hes going to fall into once eventually, you must be pretty foolish to think even after kain casts 1000 time projectiles going bullet speed,one of them is going to catch him, even a couple he wouldnt be able to escape them for long, especially when with a gesture kain will have Sephiroth in shackles

prove sephiroth has no soul, and that the life stream is not anything like a soul either.....

he never tried BFR against bosses, and why are you bringing gameplay? this is not going to be gameplay, otherwise Sephiroth has to take turns durlaugh sephiroth starts to cast meteor and kain is like lmao!!! and smashes sephiroth like a china doll

Strength: show me, has he used strength anywhere?, if Kain can pick up large concrete blocks that weight roughly a tonne and can lift fully armed and armoured knights with one arm what has sephiroth done?

Magic: nopes, Kain can use blood, soul, fire, lighting, energy, nature, sate, time etc etc against sephiroth and cast a shield around himself that will stop any magic attack sephiroth can do.....show me sephiroths spell list? prob terribley useless spells

reach= unbreakable? show me please, kains is unbreakable, also 6 foot is shorter than the reaver, since kain is roughly 7 and the reaver is about as big as kain so its likely 6 ft itself, sephiroths blade is far weaker also

nah Sephiroth will be hit from every place on his body, kain will be using reality warping to make it slash all over sephiroth and sephiroth will die, sephiroth wont even be moving so how can he even get behind kain, kain will easily BFR sephiroth or time trap him, sephiroth is a toy to kain

Originally posted by Burning thought
thats one of them yeh, he doesnt charge it however when he dimension teleports here:

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or when he teleports here:

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so now he doesnt have to charge anything matter of fact, seems he can choose what way he does it, wheras Sephiroth casting differnt spells, most of them are all cast times, take a good while....show me him teleporting btw, i cant remember seeing Sephiroth teleport for a little while

so what, he wont be able to move a muslce or even try and TK after Kain moves his wrist and Sephiroth is in a TK shackle, Sephiroth cannot TK shackle

yeh rite, prove this please, hes going to fall into once eventually, you must be pretty foolish to think even after kain casts 1000 time projectiles going bullet speed,one of them is going to catch him, even a couple he wouldnt be able to escape them for long, especially when with a gesture kain will have Sephiroth in shackles

prove sephiroth has no soul, and that the life stream is not anything like a soul either.....

he never tried BFR against bosses, and why are you bringing gameplay? this is not going to be gameplay, otherwise Sephiroth has to take turns durlaugh sephiroth starts to cast meteor and kain is like lmao!!! and smashes sephiroth like a china doll

Strength: show me, has he used strength anywhere?, if Kain can pick up large concrete blocks that weight roughly a tonne and can lift fully armed and armoured knights with one arm what has sephiroth done?

Magic: nopes, Kain can use blood, soul, fire, lighting, energy, nature, sate, time etc etc against sephiroth and cast a shield around himself that will stop any magic attack sephiroth can do.....show me sephiroths spell list? prob terribley useless spells

reach= unbreakable? show me please, kains is unbreakable, also 6 foot is shorter than the reaver, since kain is roughly 7 and the reaver is about as big as kain so its likely 6 ft itself, sephiroths blade is far weaker also

nah Sephiroth will be hit from every place on his body, kain will be using reality warping to make it slash all over sephiroth and sephiroth will die, sephiroth wont even be moving so how can he even get behind kain, kain will easily BFR sephiroth or time trap him, sephiroth is a toy to kain

First of all in the first video, there was small charge times before the teleport if u actually pay attention, the 2nd video the teleporting was so slow that even fast movement speed would get u to the spot quicker

Play the FF7 game, and ull understand, everything is made up of the lifestream, when you die, the body composes, returns to the earth, all conciousness mixes in back with the lifestream, there is no "soul"

Sephiroth has more powerful TK then kain, hes faster then Kain, so Kain would be stuck in Sephiroths TK, nor does he need to even "gesture" to use TK, he simply stares at Kain and Kain wont be moving.

So hes going be try to cast "1000 projectiles" when his limbs are decapitated? And hes trapped in a TK?

Why do u keep thinking Sephiroth will try to cast meteor? Hes not trying to take out half a planet here..

Strength = show me Kain lifting up a block weighing a ton, lifting up a guy with armor on is supposed to be a strength feat? LOL

Lets see, a weak aspect of Sephiroth one punched a tree the size of a building, Sephiroth created those 3 guys and is atleast 20x as powerful as them (watch at 3:00)
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Another weak aspect of Sephiroth launching a big motorbike probably atleast half a ton to beable to launch support it with just one hand takes a TON of strength (watch at 3:20)
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Sephiroth in his weakest incarnation toys around with the elite SOLDIERs who were both infused with G/J-cells, shows resistant to fire element attacks, effortlessly cuts canon with one hand
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Sephiroth effortlessly cuts up buildings without exerting himself one bit
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Magic: Sephiroth has control over a great portion of the lifestream, the lifestream can create about ANYTHING, heres a list of SOME materia..

Ice
Lightning
Restore
Fire
Poison
Earth
Heal
Revive
Seal
Transform
Mystify
Time
Gravity
Destruct
Barrier
Comet
Contain
Shield
Ultima (Can literally blow up a huge surface area)

Then there r tons of Summons

Bahamut ZERO (giant dragon from outerspace shoots hugeass beam)
Knights of the Round (teleports enemy into the KOTR dimension where the person gets chopped up by a buncha knights)

then theres Holy (which can destroy the planet really fast)
and Meteor( takes awhile to summon but eventually a meteor hits the planet taking out a good portion of it)

and theres much more, useless magic eh? not..

btw Kains Soul reaver is only 127 cm which is about 4 feet, Sephiroth has a good 20 inches on it.

Sephiroth just toys around all the time, and is never shown serious, however the creators stated him above everything in FFVII, so if he was serious he is even more powerful then powerhouses like Omega Weiss and Chaos Vincent, who have huge destructive power and speed, watch this vid, now think of how powerful Sephiroth would be if he wanted to.

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Originally posted by Terryc250
First of all in the first video, there was small charge times before the teleport if u actually pay attention, the 2nd video the teleporting was so slow that even fast movement speed would get u to the spot quicker

Play the FF7 game, and ull understand, everything is made up of the lifestream, when you die, the body composes, returns to the earth, all conciousness mixes in back with the lifestream, there is no "soul"

Sephiroth has more powerful TK then kain, hes faster then Kain, so Kain would be stuck in Sephiroths TK, nor does he need to even "gesture" to use TK, he simply stares at Kain and Kain wont be moving.

So hes going be try to cast "1000 projectiles" when his limbs are decapitated? And hes trapped in a TK?

Why do u keep thinking Sephiroth will try to cast meteor? Hes not trying to take out half a planet here..

Strength = show me Kain lifting up a block weighing a ton, lifting up a guy with armor on is supposed to be a strength feat? LOL

Lets see, a weak aspect of Sephiroth one punched a tree the size of a building, Sephiroth created those 3 guys and is atleast 20x as powerful as them (watch at 3:00)
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Another weak aspect of Sephiroth launching a big motorbike probably atleast half a ton to beable to launch support it with just one hand takes a TON of strength (watch at 3:20)
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Sephiroth in his weakest incarnation toys around with the elite SOLDIERs who were both infused with G/J-cells, shows resistant to fire element attacks, effortlessly cuts canon with one hand
YouTube video

Sephiroth effortlessly cuts up buildings without exerting himself one bit
YouTube video

Magic: Sephiroth has control over a great portion of the lifestream, the lifestream can create about ANYTHING, heres a list of SOME materia..

Ice
Lightning
Restore
Fire
Poison
Earth
Heal
Revive
Seal
Transform
Mystify
Time
Gravity
Destruct
Barrier
Comet
Contain
Shield
Ultima (Can literally blow up a huge surface area)

Then there r tons of Summons

Bahamut ZERO (giant dragon from outerspace shoots hugeass beam)
Knights of the Round (teleports enemy into the KOTR dimension where the person gets chopped up by a buncha knights)

then theres Holy (which can destroy the planet really fast)
and Meteor( takes awhile to summon but eventually a meteor hits the planet taking out a good portion of it)

and theres much more, useless magic eh? not..

btw Kains Soul reaver is only 127 cm which is about 4 feet, Sephiroth has a good 20 inches on it.

nopes not charge at all, thats him going dimention material, its not charge, the 2nd time is slow? watch again kain is ethereal then completly gone in prob less than a second or two, show me sephrioth teleporting please...

having stronger Tk than kain mans nothing, also Kain could easily become mist and Sephiroth loses his hold, same if this precious "sephiroth will chop kains arms off" rubbish comes into play, Kain would reform from the mist, as he does in Defiance if you dissolve or get slashed, he simply reforms somehow, mist or bats. Also show me Sephiroth using TK please, i want to see him holding arms down, as well as doing it with a stare anyway.

meteor is a good example of one of Sephiroths spells that take ages, show me him casting diffrent spells without a long cast time please...

strength= can you lift a guy in armour with one arm? no....the knights in LOK are taller even than kain and wear massive armour plates, he can lift them with one arm...also knocking over a tree? jesus big deal...

big motarbike, that thing wouldnt weight as much as one of kains knights, or that block, V2D should of moved the blocks by now, i dont have images but V2D has prob completed defiance if he still has it, you been in the room with those blocks V2D to get that sarafan shield thing?

that was in a training program, eventually they end up in a dark room which is the training program room and sephiroth just walks out....that place is not neccerily even real... cutting buildings is not strength, thats sword sharpness

Magic: nope, never seen these in action, infact half of them and their limited use indeed, show me sephiroth useing some of these please or prove he can create any materia quickly or instantly to cast the powers, you simply listed the spell list of the FF games, this does not suffice

same with the summons, their summons...show me him being able to summon anything like these, also almost al summons take ages to cast, Kain would kill sephiroth before hed started the first gesture

reaver 4 feet, where did you get that from?.....

the reaver would reach from kains head to the top of his greaves and kain is 6-7 ft

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth just toys around all the time, and is never shown serious, however the creators stated him above everything in FFVII, so if he was serious he is even more powerful then powerhouses like Omega Weiss and Chaos Vincent, who have huge destructive power and speed, watch this vid, now think of how powerful Sephiroth would be if he wanted to.

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yeh which are not equel like sephiroth, to Kain, also Sephiroth being above everything does not mean he has every power they have, kain is above everything in LOK but he cannot spin the wheel of fate like the EG can

Yeah, Kain can push and pull large stone blocks pretty easily. I would say Kain is like class 1-3.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yeah, Kain can push and pull large stone blocks pretty easily. I would say Kain is like class 1-3.

indeed, from evidence shown at least 1 or 2 tonne strength, Terry slashing with swords as youve been told before by others is not sephiroths strength, it can easily be sword sharpness

Seph did impale a 50-75 foot serpent on a tree. He is prolly like class 50-90.

id like to see this from someone, altho why were comparing strength feats i dont know, kain would use spells not strength and his reaver blasts would be more than enough to knock sephiroths little sword out of his hand, how is Sephiroth capable of lifting 50-90 tonnes.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
id like to see this from someone, altho why were comparing strength feats i dont know, kain would use spells not strength and his reaver blasts would be more than enough to knock sephiroths little sword out of his hand, how is Sephiroth capable of lifting 50-90 tonnes.....

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He lifted a big ass serpent(called tghe Midgar Zolom) and impaled it on a tree. The thing is like 50-100 feet long or sumthin.

hmm doesnt mean it weighs 50-90 tonnes tho, but id need to see the thing, since its living also its hollow i guess? its got bones, ribs, body inside?....so its not neccerily as heavy as a solid building or concerete or steel

Originally posted by Burning thought
hmm doesnt mean it weighs 50-90 tonnes tho, but id need to see the thing, since its living also its hollow i guess? its got bones, ribs, body inside?....so its not neccerily as heavy as a solid building or concerete or steel

Originally posted by Burning thought
nopes not charge at all, thats him going dimention material, its not charge, the 2nd time is slow? watch again kain is ethereal then completly gone in prob less than a second or two, show me sephrioth teleporting please...

having stronger Tk than kain mans nothing, also Kain could easily become mist and Sephiroth loses his hold, same if this precious "sephiroth will chop kains arms off" rubbish comes into play, Kain would reform from the mist, as he does in Defiance if you dissolve or get slashed, he simply reforms somehow, mist or bats. Also show me Sephiroth using TK please, i want to see him holding arms down, as well as doing it with a stare anyway.

meteor is a good example of one of Sephiroths spells that take ages, show me him casting diffrent spells without a long cast time please...

strength= can you lift a guy in armour with one arm? no....the knights in LOK are taller even than kain and wear massive armour plates, he can lift them with one arm...also knocking over a tree? jesus big deal...

big motarbike, that thing wouldnt weight as much as one of kains knights, or that block, V2D should of moved the blocks by now, i dont have images but V2D has prob completed defiance if he still has it, you been in the room with those blocks V2D to get that sarafan shield thing?

that was in a training program, eventually they end up in a dark room which is the training program room and sephiroth just walks out....that place is not neccerily even real... cutting buildings is not strength, thats sword sharpness

Magic: nope, never seen these in action, infact half of them and their limited use indeed, show me sephiroth useing some of these please or prove he can create any materia quickly or instantly to cast the powers, you simply listed the spell list of the FF games, this does not suffice

same with the summons, their summons...show me him being able to summon anything like these, also almost al summons take ages to cast, Kain would kill sephiroth before hed started the first gesture

reaver 4 feet, where did you get that from?.....

the reaver would reach from kains head to the top of his greaves and kain is 6-7 ft

Lol @ mist comment, Sephiroth compressed and held HOLY which is bascially mist, except Holy has enough power to destroy a planet.

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Even though its KH, the powers used are the same,
Like i said before Sephiroth just toys around all the time and doesnt exert himself a bit, but seeing how fast weaker ppl are , and how fast Loz is who is just somethin Sephiroth made, its safe to assume Sephiroth is fast enough to basically teleport.

If u watch how materia is used ingame, theres about a one second charge, however Sephiroth has powers beyond materia that he can use instantly, TK is one of them.

Watch in the last video i post, at 4:15, he says "kneel before me" blah blah in japanese, looks up, then the top building crumbles down

Did you even see how big the tree was?

LOL @ the knight being heavier then the motorbike, plz post the pic so everyone can have a laugh.

No i cant lift him up, but theres ppl in the world who can, is there ppl in the world who can impale a 75 foot serpent? Or chop up buildings like paper?

I just told you what materia is made up of, its made up of lifestream, Sephiroth cotnrols lifestream.. logic tells us he can, just like if u have a toaster and bread in ur kitchen, can u make toast?

I showed you Supernova, summons dont take ages to cast, not all summons are Meteor

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Originally posted by Burning thought
hmm doesnt mean it weighs 50-90 tonnes tho, but id need to see the thing, since its living also its hollow i guess? its got bones, ribs, body inside?....so its not neccerily as heavy as a solid building or concerete or steel

V2D is right, maybe even more heavier actually a Blue Whale is on average 75 to 80 feet Blue whales can weigh over 100 tons.

Midgar Zolom is not as large as a Blue Whale tho.

And its not the swords "sharpness" Sephiroth clearly has more strength then Cloud, Cloud was able to cut through the buildings as well, and Clouds sword isnt that sharp or else when he stabbed into the building then stood on it, the sword wouldve started to cut the building, but it didnt, he had to use force to cut it.

(last video sephiroth vs cloud at 4:25)

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh which are not equel like sephiroth, to Kain, also Sephiroth being above everything does not mean he has every power they have, kain is above everything in LOK but he cannot spin the wheel of fate like the EG can

Im not saying he has every single one of there powers, im saying he has abilities that are more powerful then theres, which makes him more powerful.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Well Whatever hes doing, its not instant, theres a second before teleporting.

Lol @ mist comment, Sephiroth compressed and held HOLY which is bascially mist, except Holy has enough power to destroy a planet.

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Even though its KH, the powers used are the same,
Like i said before Sephiroth just toys around all the time and doesnt exert himself a bit, but seeing how fast weaker ppl are , and how fast Loz is who is just somethin Sephiroth made, its safe to assume Sephiroth is fast enough to basically teleport.

If u watch how materia is used ingame, theres about a one second charge, however Sephiroth has powers beyond materia that he can use instantly, TK is one of them.

Watch in the last video i post, at 4:15, he says "kneel before me" blah blah in japanese, looks up, then the top building crumbles down

Did you even see how big the tree was?

LOL @ the knight being heavier then the motorbike, plz post the pic so everyone can have a laugh.

No i cant lift him up, but theres ppl in the world who can, is there ppl in the world who can impale a 75 foot serpent? Or chop up buildings like paper?

I just told you what materia is made up of, its made up of lifestream, Sephiroth cotnrols lifestream.. logic tells us he can, just like if u have a toaster and bread in ur kitchen, can u make toast?

I showed you Supernova, summons dont take ages to cast, not all summons are Meteor

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show me him doing this to holy, and then prove he did it with TK please

yeh he doesnt move instantly in any of those, and he calls fairly slow fire pillars, wonderful, altho his sword in that is longer than Kains reaver for sure...well done, he can have one point in that, however its still a tiny thin little sword that youve yet to prove is unbreakable. Its safe too ASSUME!! i see.....thats where most of this argument comes from and Teleport is not to do with speed, you phail, so sephiroth cannot actually teleport? lawls

can he tho, TK is not magic, also 1 second charge? , but please show me, most moves in FF seem to take a long while

yeh but its still a tree....its lumber, its not like it was stone and its not like that is sephiroth either

cant find the pic of the Glyth knight, hes massive and the average normal knight in history could ot get up if he was taken off his horse....knights are incredibly heavey, let alone massive guys in armor like the ones in LOK but i concede strength, its irrelevent

theres people who can lift a fully armoured knight with one arm? show me please, altho its irrelevent i dont belive that. No but then theres people in the world who at the press of a button can blow cities...

yeh i can make toast, but it takes about minute, like most of sephiroths spells and creating life stream, Kain wont give him that time 😉 also your argument is false, show me how long it takes for materia to be created, just beause its made from lifestream doesnt mean he can create and use it in the split second he has before kain time bolts him

lmao, thats slow, he took about 5 seconds to summon Bahumaht and prove thats Zero, thats not Zero at all, the last one is zero and that took a little while but thats cloud doing that, also not everyone can summon all summons....

Originally posted by Terryc250
Im not saying he has every single one of there powers, im saying he has abilities that are more powerful then theres, which makes him more powerful.

it takes specific abilities to take on kain, and specific powers to make someone unconcious, jsut because sephiroth is more powerful means he has all aspects of superiority to those characters