Someone is really going to show how Sephiroth impaled that snake, because Sephiroth performed no strength feat of that level ever again... if one wants to say he did it physically.
But since it'll likely just be theories on how he did it, I suppose I can too. I propose... seeing how that spike is out of place.. he couldve used wood materia 😖hifty:
i lol at Sephiroth fans, so just because theres a snake impaled, people think it weighs tonnes and even though theres nowhere that says he actually did it using strength out of all the many powers he apprently has fans still want to use it for a strength feat to try and increase sephiroths weakness
but anyway, kain would rape sephiroth with that strength feat, and now that this strength feat is not even falliable, it means nothing as such, no feat
Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth was only showed one more time after FF7 and it was the movie.. and he was playing around, chopping up buildings like it was air.
You mean chopping up [b]pieces of buildings, right?
Theres no such thing as "wood materia" and it looks like a carved tree to me, i think u can still see a couple branches. [/B]
There's no such thing as the "god Sephiroth" either 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Keollyn
You mean chopping up [b]pieces of buildings, right?[/B]
And cuting the Junon Cannon in many pieces, forming a crater in the ground with a swing of his sword in BC, killing a dragon with another swing of his sword in BC, etc.
And the fact nothing is stronger than him in FFVII. Nothing. Not even the Weapons.
There's no such thing as the "god Sephiroth" either 😖hifty:
He is equal or stronger than a god(or goddess in this case). That's what really matters.
Originally posted by Burning thought
i lol at Sephiroth fans, so just because theres a snake impaled, people think it weighs tonnes and even though theres nowhere that says he actually did it using strength out of all the many powers he apprently has fans still want to use it for a strength feat to try and increase sephiroths weaknessbut anyway, kain would rape sephiroth with that strength feat, and now that this strength feat is not even falliable, it means nothing as such, no feat
i lol @ your Kain fanboyism, you still think Kain would rape even though Sephiroth has about every single aspect way above Kain,
like i said, he either physically did it or he TK'd it.. but i cannot see Sephiroth bother to use TK against a monster.
You mean chopping up pieces of buildings, right?
Originally posted by Terryc250
i lol @ your Kain fanboyism, you still think Kain would rape even though Sephiroth has about every single aspect way above Kain,like i said, he either physically did it or he TK'd it.. but i cannot see Sephiroth bother to use TK against a monster.
no kain fanboyism at all, Sephiroth is not above kain in any aspects, first kain cna reform from anything sephiroth does, second he cant die, thats two he definatley has that Sephiroth could never equel
then youve got the reaver which>>>>Masurmane by far, it may not be as long, but thats all the masurmane has, kain does not need strength at all, one hit from the reaver would blast Sephiroth to pieces
Kain can put up a shield to stop anything sephiroth can do.....thats one spell Sephiroth doesnt have
Kain could just time bolt sephiroth, another thing Sephiroth has not got a chance against....lawls....Sephiroths spells that take ages to do are worthless
the only TWO things he prob has over kain is physical speed (altho kain uses Dimension hopping and teleportation so rly it means nothing) and maybe overall strength
with the power he has over time and dimension, combined with his incredible mind powers, sephiroth has nothing, with one shield he is immune, and then Sephiroth is his toy, and i stil dont buy that cr@p about him being immune to soul powers, his essence and life stream is basically the same,only with a diffrent name, can you actually prove he has no soul, in combination with the life stream?
Kain will use the power he has over states and transmute Sephiroth into a wooden block
also @ sephiroth being more powerful than anything in FF, can someone show me the thing that says it please....
Originally posted by SHM
And cuting the Junon Cannon in many pieces, forming a crater in the ground with a swing of his sword in BC, killing a dragon with another swing of his sword in BC, etc.
Holograms are real?
Dragons are harder than diamond?
Any of this has anything to do with lifting strength? Does he lift the formation of a crater? Does he lift the killing of a dragon?
And the fact nothing is stronger than him in FFVII. Nothing. Not even the Weapons.
Except Weiss, Vincent, and Omega
He is equal or stronger than a god(or goddess in this case). That's what really matters.
Feats of the goddess please.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Cutting huge columns of buildings with enough force to set them a blaze without even breaking a sweat
So pieces of buildings? 'K, gotcha!
Originally posted by Keollyn
[B]Holograms are real?Dragons are harder than diamond?
Any of this has anything to do with lifting strength? Does he lift the formation of a crater? Does he lift the killing of a dragon?
The point is, The Weapons are one of the most powerful things in the FFVII world, and they are HUGE. They can lift a mere Midgar Zolom, and Sephiroth is stronger than them.
Except Weiss, Vincent, and Omega
Keollyn's word VS Kitase and Nomura's word. Good luck Keo.
Feats of the goddess please.
From the top of my head, she created the Weapons, Holy, Chaos, and much more. She is the goddess of Gaia, the living will of the planet.
"Kitase said that Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him. We had a difficult time deciding on the reason why Sephiroth would appear.
"Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth."
There was another quote also, but i cant find it atm
Except Weiss, Vincent, and Omega
no kain fanboyism at all, Sephiroth is not above kain in any aspects, first kain cna reform from anything sephiroth does, second he cant die, thats two he definatley has that Sephiroth could never equelthen youve got the reaver which>>>>Masurmane by far, it may not be as long, but thats all the masurmane has, kain does not need strength at all, one hit from the reaver would blast Sephiroth to pieces
Kain can put up a shield to stop anything sephiroth can do.....thats one spell Sephiroth doesnt have
Kain could just time bolt sephiroth, another thing Sephiroth has not got a chance against....lawls....Sephiroths spells that take ages to do are worthless
the only TWO things he prob has over kain is physical speed (altho kain uses Dimension hopping and teleportation so rly it means nothing) and maybe overall strength
with the power he has over time and dimension, combined with his incredible mind powers, sephiroth has nothing, with one shield he is immune, and then Sephiroth is his toy, and i stil dont buy that cr@p about him being immune to soul powers, his essence and life stream is basically the same,only with a diffrent name, can you actually prove he has no soul, in combination with the life stream?
Kain will use the power he has over states and transmute Sephiroth into a wooden block
Lol, show me Kain being cut up, then reforming.
His shield sure worked against Raziel and EG, Sephiroth has barrier btw.
Time bolt after hes nullified? Or after hes cut up? The projectile is not even close to as fast as Sephiroth.
Sephiroths spells dont take "ages" i told u already not every spell is meteor, anyways after Kain is trapped, Sephiroth has all the time in the world
Kains teleporting requires a spell to do, which means he has to cast.. its not instant as Sephiroths movement speed.
Lifestream is basically the blood of the planet, used to heal the planets wounds, but also is capable of destruction, everything is made up some of it, including buildings, energy, trees, life, until it decays and returns to the planet.
"Whenever somebody is born they take a handful of Lifestream with them. When they die, they give it back. That same handful is then incorporated into the swell, and, eventually, used by another life form to facilitate its temporary existence. It is then returned and the cycle continues unto infinity, so long as this is uninterrupted. "
Whats so special about the soul reaver if it cant devour Sephiroths soul?
Originally posted by Terryc250
"Kitase said that [b]Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him. We had a difficult time deciding on the reason why Sephiroth would appear."Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth."
There was another quote also, but i cant find it atm
What part of "nothing above him" and "strongest in the world" dont you understand? Ur anti-sephiroth'ism is really messin with ur comprehension. Either that or ur extremely slow-minded.
Lol, show me Kain being cut up, then reforming.
His shield sure worked against Raziel and EG, Sephiroth has barrier btw.
Time bolt after hes nullified? Or after hes cut up? The projectile is not even close to as fast as Sephiroth.
Sephiroths spells dont take "ages" i told u already not every spell is meteor, anyways after Kain is trapped, Sephiroth has all the time in the world
Kains teleporting requires a spell to do, which means he has to cast.. its not instant as Sephiroths movement speed.
Lifestream is basically the blood of the planet, used to heal the planets wounds, but also is capable of destruction, everything is made up some of it, including buildings, energy, trees, life, until it decays and returns to the planet.
"Whenever somebody is born they take a handful of Lifestream with them. When they die, they give it back. That same handful is then incorporated into the swell, and, eventually, used by another life form to facilitate its temporary existence. It is then returned and the cycle continues unto infinity, so long as this is uninterrupted. "
Whats so special about the soul reaver if it cant devour Sephiroths soul? [/B]
ah in the world? hmm, i see, that doesnt mean anything, ill take your word for the sake of it that he means strongest overall and not just physically strongest, but if thats so, then simply because he is above all these entities, its only your assumption that its in every way possible, as well as it is your assumption that just because omega is fast, sephiroth has to be faster, just because the weapons are strong, sephiroth apprently has to be more powerful...if he is talking overall, then Sephiroth does not need to be more powerful destructively than omega, to be more powerful than it.
show you him doing it? he does it all the time, he cannot be killed so if a blade that would kill him, connects, it would either do nothing or he would reform from it. Ill try to find you videos but its such a common occurance that he reforms from everything i cant imagine anyone is bothering to video it...he either reforms through bats or mist, he also has an incredible healing factor
he did not use his shield against Raziel or EG.....
what are you talking about, after its been nullified...explain
youve never seen the projectile, dont assume anything, also 100 of these projectiles hell get taken eventually, and when kain TK him, he wont be moving...
trapped? with what, he can dimension move, mist, teleport, turn into bats....Sephiroth can do nothing to trap kain
all his spells seem to take ages, they dont have to be all meteor, if they take more than 1 or 2 seconds to do, then their useless spells he will never use..
Sephiroths movement speed is not instant at all....nor is it as fast as kains teleportation, its also not a spell, as seen in the video i posted "Raziel encounters kain"
ah, as you said "as long as its uninterupted" i see, Kain will just interupt Sephiroths life force and steal it then into the reaver, easy
whats so special about it? it can cast all the spells kain can, only in an area around kain, for example it can cause a time slow around kain so even if Sephiroth tries to attack kain in melee, he would slow to a crawl for kains fun and pleasure, it can fire energy and one hit would be enough to blast sephiroths body in half, the blade is infused with soul magic and energy, it explodes beings on touch.
Kain would shatter Sephiroths mind, sephiroth would simpy kneel, and the battle will be over just before kain blasts sephiroth into pieces
Originally posted by SHM
The point is, The Weapons are one of the most powerful things in the FFVII world, and they are HUGE. They can lift a mere Midgar Zolom, and Sephiroth is stronger than them.
Fan theories. Gotta love 'em
Keollyn's word VS Kitase and Nomura's word. Good luck Keo.
His creation vs. his word. I usually take visuals over vocals.
From the top of my head, she created the Weapons, Holy, Chaos, and much more. She is the goddess of Gaia, the living will of the planet.
And Sephiroth is somehow above this because? Let me guess, creation doesn't mean you can beat Cloud 😱
hm, i agree, Sephiroth they say is strongest in their statements, but you have to take into account what they must be thinking of, maybe when they said that, they were thinking of just the humanoid beings like Cloud and such not the Goddess of the planet or the powerful weapons
i dont think Sephiroth is at all on their level and their size alone gives them an edge in many things sephiroth "could" not do like strength, what are the actual known Strength feats of sephiroth?, i dont count impaling the snake as one since we dont know exactley how he did that, for all we know it could of been through many other things not physical, or he killed it with his sword and like madmel said, it impales itself in its mad thrashes of death
ive also seen him slicing that canon..its not real, ive not seen the whole movie but i know that, thats a training/sparring program area
Originally posted by Burning thought
ah in the world? hmm, i see, that doesnt mean anything, ill take your word for the sake of it that he means strongest overall and not just physically strongest, but if thats so, then simply because he is above all these entities, its only your assumption that its in every way possible, as well as it is your assumption that just because omega is fast, sephiroth has to be faster, just because the weapons are strong, sephiroth apprently has to be more powerful...if he is talking overall, then Sephiroth does not need to be more powerful destructively than omega, to be more powerful than it.show you him doing it? he does it all the time, he cannot be killed so if a blade that would kill him, connects, it would either do nothing or he would reform from it. Ill try to find you videos but its such a common occurance that he reforms from everything i cant imagine anyone is bothering to video it...he either reforms through bats or mist, he also has an incredible healing factor
he did not use his shield against Raziel or EG.....
what are you talking about, after its been nullified...explain
youve never seen the projectile, dont assume anything, also 100 of these projectiles hell get taken eventually, and when kain TK him, he wont be moving...
trapped? with what, he can dimension move, mist, teleport, turn into bats....Sephiroth can do nothing to trap kain
all his spells seem to take ages, they dont have to be all meteor, if they take more than 1 or 2 seconds to do, then their useless spells he will never use..
Sephiroths movement speed is not instant at all....nor is it as fast as kains teleportation, its also not a spell, as seen in the video i posted "Raziel encounters kain"
ah, as you said "as long as its uninterupted" i see, Kain will just interupt Sephiroths life force and steal it then into the reaver, easy
whats so special about it? it can cast all the spells kain can, only in an area around kain, for example it can cause a time slow around kain so even if Sephiroth tries to attack kain in melee, he would slow to a crawl for kains fun and pleasure, it can fire energy and one hit would be enough to blast sephiroths body in half, the blade is infused with soul magic and energy, it explodes beings on touch.
Kain would shatter Sephiroths mind, sephiroth would simpy kneel, and the battle will be over just before kain blasts sephiroth into pieces
Obviously ur amping up Kains powers more then it actually is, i showed my friend who beat LoK😖R1 and 2, and he said yeah u were definately exaggerating his powers more then it really is, if Kain were so capable of everything like that, then why make a game where you play as a guy who is unkilliable and spam 100 freeze projectiles on everyone, yet have a shield on..
Kain cannot cast a spell when hes unable to move anywhere, try playing LOK and as soon as u get hit by someone try to use that teleport move, it wont work.
Nullified meaning trapped in Sephiroths TK, or whatever Sephiroth wants to use to nullify him.
Sephiroths movement speed is instant when he wants to go somewhere he does it, he doesnt need a chargeup or spell to use.
Are you talking about that Raziel and Kain fight where Kain has to make some position where he puts his hands together on his sword then does an extremely slow teleport and even has a delay after the teleport?
Kains spells take a second to use as well, Sephiroth has moves where he doesnt need to cast a spell, like that blade beam
If that is true, then why cant he one hit kill most enemies? Can you show me?
ah, as you said "as long as its uninterupted" i see, Kain will just interupt Sephiroths life force and steal it then into the reaver, easy
ah in the world? hmm, i see, that doesnt mean anything, ill take your word for the sake of it that he means strongest overall and not just physically strongest, but if thats so, then simply because he is above all these entities, its only your assumption that its in every way possible, as well as it is your assumption that just because omega is fast, sephiroth has to be faster, just because the weapons are strong, sephiroth apprently has to be more powerful...if he is talking overall, then Sephiroth does not need to be more powerful destructively than omega, to be more powerful than it.
Dont overthink things, do you really expect the creators to say " Sephiroth is the most physically strongest, smartest, fastest, toughest, aggresive, etc etc" ? the statement "There is nothing stronger, nothing above him." makes the point.
hm, i agree, Sephiroth they say is strongest in their statements, but you have to take into account what they must be thinking of, maybe when they said that, they were thinking of just the humanoid beings like Cloud and such not the Goddess of the planet or the powerful weapons
The interview was AFTER dirge of cerebus was created, they had full knowledge of Chaos and Omega's existance, they wouldnt say there is nothing above SEPHIROTH, if Chaos and Omega Weiss were above him.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Obviously ur amping up Kains powers more then it actually is, i showed my friend who beat LoK😖R1 and 2, and he said yeah u were definately exaggerating his powers more then it really is, if Kain were so capable of everything like that, then why make a game where you play as a guy who is unkilliable and spam 100 freeze projectiles on everyone, yet have a shield on..Kain cannot cast a spell when hes unable to move anywhere, try playing LOK and as soon as u get hit by someone try to use that teleport move, it wont work.
Nullified meaning trapped in Sephiroths TK, or whatever Sephiroth wants to use to nullify him.
Sephiroths movement speed is instant when he wants to go somewhere he does it, he doesnt need a chargeup or spell to use.
Are you talking about that Raziel and Kain fight where Kain has to make some position where he puts his hands together on his sword then does an extremely slow teleport and even has a delay after the teleport?
Kains spells take a second to use as well, Sephiroth has moves where he doesnt need to cast a spell, like that blade beam
If that is true, then why cant he one hit kill most enemies? Can you show me?
What are you talking about? That statement was how the lifestream cycle works with the planet..
Dont overthink things, do you really expect the creators to say " Sephiroth is the most physically strongest, smartest, fastest, toughest, aggresive, etc etc" ? the statement "There is nothing stronger, nothing above him." makes the point.
The interview was AFTER dirge of cerebus was created, they had full knowledge of Chaos and Omega's existance, they wouldnt say there is nothing above SEPHIROTH, if Chaos and Omega Weiss were above him.
your friend doesnt know much about LOK series then does he, ive played all the games, SR 1 and 2 are based around Raziel, it does not have all of kains powers infact you rarely see kain at all......wheras ive played all the games, he can reform easily. Because of game mechanics, Dur, its stated and documented in that spell list i gave u what he can do, he has a invulerable shield, he has freeze projectiles, the only reason he cannot spam them is game mechanics, such as first and foremost, there are no enemies that can survive one freeze, so why would he spam? infact you could very much likely spam only youd be wasting time standing there spamming a wall wouldnt you.....
not true at all.....ive played all the games so "you" try and play it, you can use Dimensional movement incredibly quickly and nothin can stop you from using the spell
trapped in sephiroths TK? yeh rite, as mist...no...also show me sephiroth Tking in a video, actually moving someone with TK? or can he only do TK blast attacks? ive not seen him moving someone with TK before....also show me the video where he TKs and the time in the video he does it
false, ive watched the cloud fight and many other battles, he doesnt move instantly at all, infact he runs a lot of the time
not at all, he doesnt even have his sword when he teleports, i think your looking at gameplay again, you seem to love gameplay, its not debated in this forum, its the feats of the cinematics that are most debated, he doesnt even have his sword when he teleports
kains spells take less than a second, a split second perhaps for all his reaver spells, his Tk which is not a spell works with a hand movement, and his immolate works with two hand gestures, time bolt and basically all his other spell works with a single hand movement, wheras almost all of sephiroths spells take a lot more than that
one hit kill what enemies? he cant target bosses so thats gameplay with mind powers and even in Blood omen 2 he mind controls and this is weakest kain without any mind emblem, the mind emblem gives him the power or greater power than the mind guardian who destroyed the minds completly of the most powerful wizards in LOK, also without mind powers he can use immolate to make an enemy explode from the inside out, and disintegrate, this does kill enemies in one shot
it doesnt make the point, maybe to a fanboy but to someone whos looking at it, who is not a fan at all that statement cannot possibly mean all those things at all, your overhyping sephiroth, it simply means he is the most powerful.....that could be including his supernova and meteor moves that take forever, their incredibly powerful but useless in the face of kain for example....infact that could be the only reasons he is more powerful, and all this overhyping is foolery
i was not talking about what they know of, i was saying they may not be taking characters such as Omega weiss or Minerva the goddess into account when they said that
Originally posted by Burning thought
your friend doesnt know much about LOK series then does he, ive played all the games, SR 1 and 2 are based around Raziel, it does not have all of kains powers infact you rarely see kain at all......wheras ive played all the games, he can reform easily. Because of game mechanics, Dur, its stated and documented in that spell list i gave u what he can do, he has a invulerable shield, he has freeze projectiles, the only reason he cannot spam them is game mechanics, such as first and foremost, there are no enemies that can survive one freeze, so why would he spam? infact you could very much likely spam only youd be wasting time standing there spamming a wall wouldnt you.....not true at all.....ive played all the games so "you" try and play it, you can use Dimensional movement incredibly quickly and nothin can stop you from using the spell
trapped in sephiroths TK? yeh rite, as mist...no...also show me sephiroth Tking in a video, actually moving someone with TK? or can he only do TK blast attacks? ive not seen him moving someone with TK before....also show me the video where he TKs and the time in the video he does it
false, ive watched the cloud fight and many other battles, he doesnt move instantly at all, infact he runs a lot of the time
not at all, he doesnt even have his sword when he teleports, i think your looking at gameplay again, you seem to love gameplay, its not debated in this forum, its the feats of the cinematics that are most debated, he doesnt even have his sword when he teleports
kains spells take less than a second, a split second perhaps for all his reaver spells, his Tk which is not a spell works with a hand movement, and his immolate works with two hand gestures, time bolt and basically all his other spell works with a single hand movement, wheras almost all of sephiroths spells take a lot more than that
one hit kill what enemies? he cant target bosses so thats gameplay with mind powers and even in Blood omen 2 he mind controls and this is weakest kain without any mind emblem, the mind emblem gives him the power or greater power than the mind guardian who destroyed the minds completly of the most powerful wizards in LOK, also without mind powers he can use immolate to make an enemy explode from the inside out, and disintegrate, this does kill enemies in one shot
it doesnt make the point, maybe to a fanboy but to someone whos looking at it, who is not a fan at all that statement cannot possibly mean all those things at all, your overhyping sephiroth, it simply means he is the most powerful.....that could be including his supernova and meteor moves that take forever, their incredibly powerful but useless in the face of kain for example....infact that could be the only reasons he is more powerful, and all this overhyping is foolery
i was not talking about what they know of, i was saying they may not be taking characters such as Omega weiss or Minerva the goddess into account when they said that
Im using gameplay because thats all uve been showing me, SHOW ME elsewise, because during gameplay he takes a second using the spell before he can teleport.
Im serious here, can you actually show me ANY of theses capabilities of kain? Ive been asking you to show me about 5-6 times now but i havent got anything.
Why not as mist? Do you know what holy is? its similar to a mist but capable of moving across continents in seocnds, and destroyed meteor, Sephiroth was able to contain Holy throughout the whole entire FFVII game with his TK, so obviously Kain as mist wont be moving anywhere.
Watch Loz (a being Sephiroth created, who is much weaker then him), in his fight against tifa, or his fight against Cloud, unlike Kain, ppl in FF dont require a spell to move fast, they just move.
Kain doesnt one hit kill regular enemies, ive seen regular enemies survive 3-4 hits atleast, so your obviously exaggerating SR's power.
watch from 1:00
YouTube video
watch at 3:30, TKs the building down
YouTube video
Now your turn to show me Kains TK abilities on that level.
Like i said before once Kain is trapped, Sephiroth has all the time in the world, unless you can show me Kain with speeds above Loz, actual speed, not slow teleporting that require a spell to use.
Why wouldnt they take other characters into account? Chaos has been a character in FFVII since the actual FFVII game came out, and then he even got his own game, they wouldnt just forget about him.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Im using gameplay because thats all uve been showing me, SHOW ME elsewise, because during gameplay he takes a second using the spell before he can teleport.Im serious here, can you actually show me ANY of theses capabilities of kain? Ive been asking you to show me about 5-6 times now but i havent got anything.
Why not as mist? Do you know what holy is? its similar to a mist but capable of moving across continents in seocnds, and destroyed meteor, Sephiroth was able to contain Holy throughout the whole entire FFVII game with his TK, so obviously Kain as mist wont be moving anywhere.
Watch Loz (a being Sephiroth created, who is much weaker then him), in his fight against tifa, or his fight against Cloud, unlike Kain, ppl in FF dont require a spell to move fast, they just move.
Kain doesnt one hit kill regular enemies, ive seen regular enemies survive 3-4 hits atleast, so your obviously exaggerating SR's power.
watch from 1:00
YouTube videowatch at 3:30, TKs the building down
YouTube videoNow your turn to show me Kains TK abilities on that level.
Like i said before once Kain is trapped, Sephiroth has all the time in the world, unless you can show me Kain with speeds above Loz, actual speed, not slow teleporting that require a spell to use.
Why wouldnt they take other characters into account? Chaos has been a character in FFVII since the actual FFVII game came out, and then he even got his own game, they wouldnt just forget about him.
no i have not, watch the Raziel VS kain video again, the end and beginning are game cincematics, not gameplay, your looking at the slow gameplay elements to give Raziel a chance, the thing he does at the end without his sword is much much faster and is not a spell
what abilities? i gave u the spell list already
prove to me holy is mist please and that your not simply overhypging again, and ime watching the videos your showing me, sephiroth isnt that quick at all in that 2nd video just there, hes faster than a normal human but i can easily trace him, your talking rubbish about moving instantly..
when have you seen the SOUL reaver hit regular enemies? the soul reaver one hits regular enemies and the immolate spell does as well, only from range
those TK abilities are terrible, first he doesnt have much control over them, they keep moving in and all he does is push them out again, thats bad TK, Kain would have them completly stuck, same with Sephiroth, can you show me sephiroth keeping someone in place like kain does Mobius in the vid below, also that TK building thing took him a while, he turns around, concentrates and opens his arms, the time it took him to TK that building down is about the same time as kains slowest attack, the immolate spell.....
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heres kains TK, he can control and hold beings from moving complely (unlike sephiroth) can throw small objects like the staff (not seen Sephiroth do that before, until i see him do something like that, kain can still easily move his hands if Sephiroth can only hold the body) furthermore, kain does it incredibly quickly, barely a hand movement, and he can cause pain in the target