Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I disagree. They said there is nothing stronger than him in the world of FFVII. Sometimes, world = universe, but if you think about that, it don't make any sense in this case.
How a guy with controll over one planet, can be equal or above a universal entity?First off, they never said it was just the planet of Gaia. They said he was the strongest period. This means in the entire universe of FFVII.
And he'd be stronger than them the same way the son of two scientists became stronger than the planet's godess.
Nomura:
"Producer Kitase decided that they couldn’t make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII."
And we don't know if he is stronger than Minerva, but logic tells us he is equal. And that was possible only because he took control of the planet's Lifestream. If we want to compare him with an universal entity, then he have to take control of the Universal Lifestream. Something he never did.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader1. Good thing there are no universal entities in FFVII then.
1. Not in FFVII. The creatoers have said there is not one single entity in that universe that is stronger than him. This means that if they made a universal being in the FFVII universe, Sephiroth would still top him.2. Hades was a Greek god who could be called demonic or a perversion of what God's should be, but it doesn't change what he is.
3. I already did. He is stronger than the goddess, and he did something only a god could do, create a lifestream. Pay attention.
2. No, Hades is the god of the underworld, but is not really evil or sinister, like what Seph does. He is not a god, hell, he is based off THE DEVIL.
3. And none of that equals divine or god. And he corrupted the lifestream, making the negative lifestream, you phail. He is based off Satan for Christ's sake, how does that in any way=divine?
1. He is a pretty demonic figure by Jewish, Islanmic, or Christian standards. Sephiroth is also not based off of the devil.
2. Yes it does. Only a god like being could create their own lifestream.
Sephiroth is supernatural on a godlike level, you just can't admit it because of your ignorance and hatred of his.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader1. Yeah, he is.
1. He is a pretty demonic figure by Jewish, Islanmic, or Christian standards. Sephiroth is also not based off of the devil.2. Yes it does. Only a god like being could create their own lifestream.
Sephiroth is supernatural on a godlike level, you just can't admit it because of your ignorance and hatred of his.
2. Not really, it makes him super powerful, not a god, and it sure as hell doesn't make him divine.
3. He has godly powers, sure, but he is not a god.
Dude Hades is no demonic! He watches over the souls of everyone who dies. Hades is not hell. Hell is a place of torture, Hades is divided into two; one for the good (paradise) and one for the bad (hell so to speak). Hades watches over both of them and is no way considered demonic.
Zeus, Posedion, and Hades drew lot to see who got the sky, seas, and the underworld and Hades drew the underworld. Despite modern connotations of death as "evil", Hades was actually more altruistically inclined in mythology. Hades was often portrayed as passive rather than evil; his role was often maintaining relative balance.
1. No he isn't. You have already proven with this thread you don't jknow anything about the FFVII universe, don't make stupid claims that make you seem even more foolish.
2 and 3. Now you're just arguing semantics because you don't want to admit being wrong. You admit Sephiroth is more powerful than the godess of Gaia, has godlike powers, looks like a god, but refuse to call a spade a spade because you hate the truth.
To ESB: No, he wasn't demonic to the people who made him up, but by judeo-christian standards he has many demonic qualities. For the last time, I'm n ot saying he is demonic, just that for being a god he has demonic traits.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader1. No, you obviously know less than me and are blinded by your fanboyism to see different. Let's see why Seph is clearly based on Satan:
1. No he isn't. You have already proven with this thread you don't jknow anything about the FFVII universe, don't make stupid claims that make you seem even more foolish.2 and 3. Now you're just arguing semantics because you don't want to admit being wrong. You admit Sephiroth is more powerful than the godess of Gaia, has godlike powers, looks like a god, but refuse to call a spade a spade because you hate the truth.
To ESB: No, he wasn't demonic to the people who made him up, but by judeo-christian standards he has many demonic qualities. For the last time, I'm n ot saying he is demonic, just that for being a god he has demonic traits.
Those are just the ones off the top of my head.
2. Even by Seph's own admission, he has not achieved godhood, that is what he needed Meteor for. I am a literal guy, Seph is not even immortal, he can't be a god, he is a demi-god more like it.
Originally posted by SHM
Nomura:"Producer Kitase decided that they couldn’t make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the [b]world
of FFVII."And we don't know if he is stronger than Minerva, but logic tells us he is equal. And that was possible only because he took control of the planet's Lifestream. If we want to compare him with an universal entity, then he have to take control of the Universal Lifestream. Something he never did. [/B]
The way the creators say it, makes it seem like hes the strongest period, and because of his great will he has potential to become even stronger then a planetary threat, Sephiroth is basically like a virus
1. You know nothing of Sephiroth, you have said you thought Link could beat him. He is not based off of satan, he is an original creation from the minds of SE employees. Your analogies don't even make sense. God is good, ShinRa is evil. A mad scientist created Sephiroth, God created Lucifer. Sephiroth's original source of power is an evil figure, Jenova. Satan isn't corporeal, he can take on any form he pleases, he doesn't wear a black trenchcoat.
2. That was in FFVII, in AC he is very much god like.
Maybe they are talking about the whole universe of FFVII, but it could be only the world, as proved in the quote I posted.
If they create a universal being, it means they were talking about the world, not the universe. Because there is no logical way Sephiroth(a guy with control over one planet) can be equal or stronger than a being with power over the universe(or galaxy, or solar system).
A planet(and Sephiroth, by consequence) is nothing compared to the universe.
Well, here we go.
1) Fascist, where do the creators ever call him a god? Where do they ever say he's divine? I'd love a link. And if it's in the Reunion Files, a page number would be nice. I'll look it up later.
2) Sephiroth didn't create a Lifestream. The Negative Lifestream was simply the result of Jenova Cells infecting the Lifestream. Sephiroth controlled it, he didn't create it. Even then, it hardly seems to be the majority of the Lifestream.
3) Sephiroth doesn't have the power of the planet. The model has nothing to do with Sephiroth. That video you keep showing is Bugenhagen explaining what will happen when the Planet no longer has enough Lifestream to support itself. It has nothing to do with power. The same thing would have happened if Shinra kept draining it. That model is about the planet's life force, not the kind of power it gives someone.
4) Sephiroth has never destroyed a planet, and has given no indication of having the ability to do so. He requires the Black Materia to do something on that scale with raw power, and the only other way is manipulating Geostigma so that people with Jenova Cells will die, and their corrupted Spirit Energy will return to the planet, increasing the amount of negative Lifestream.
Now, to support Sephiroth:
To be honest, Cloud never used the attack seen in AC before AC. His final attack on Sephiroth, Omnislash Version 5, is an original attack of his own making. Sephiroth has only seen the original version (Which based on CC, if I'm not mistaken, may be based on one of Sephiroth's attacks). Aside from that, he was quite clearly distracted. Cloud was below him, and started the attack while Sepiroth was glancing at the swords around his head (Watch it in slow motion if necessary. He looks up when Cloud throws the swords, and his head has turned to his left by the time Cloud initiates the attack).
Seph also has a pretty wide range of abilities: SOME CRISIS CORE SPOILERS
- Superhuman strength. He's been depicted of slicing the Junon Cannon/Sister Ray apart with no effort like it was paper.
- Superhuman speed/agility. He's been depicted outmaneuvering a man who could run through a hail of machine gun fire without taking a hit.
- Phasing through solid objects. By the time of AC, he's essentially composed of nothing but Jenova Cells and Mako. Seeing as Jenova, while in his form, was capable of phasing through solid objects in the Temple of the Ancients, it's likely this ability was passed to Sephiroth like the others. However, he seems to move rather slowly while doing so.
- Telekinetic abilities. In AC, he pulled down the top of the Shinra building with his mind, and in FFVII he lifts and holds the entire party in place the same way. Of course, there's some debate over whether he released the party willingly, or was unable to continue holding them while simultaneously holding back Holy.
- Flight. Pretty obvious.
- A very Bladebeam-like technique, capable of cutting through the Junon Cannon/Sister Ray. He's been shown capable of firing off three of these "blades" in quick succession.
- Near immunity to magic/fire. In CC, he effortlessly shrugs off a massive magical attack that seems to be primarily based on fire (Though there's probably some concussive force as well, seeing one of those blasts flings a man across a room later).
I've also heard he can teleport in CC, but I've yet to confirm if this is gameplay or story, or if he even does at all. Seeing as all of his abilities in CC are displayed before or during Nibelheim, he would undoubtedly have these skills available in his AC form as well.
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Now, I can't say how far Sephiroth would make it in the Gauntlet. I'm not familiar with many of the opponents we're giving him. However, based on the things I've seen so far, he'll reach number eight. Nine at the most.