Sephiroth runs the gauntlet

3) Sephiroth doesn't have the power of the planet. The model has nothing to do with Sephiroth. That video you keep showing is Bugenhagen explaining what will happen when the Planet no longer has enough Lifestream to support itself. It has nothing to do with power. The same thing would have happened if Shinra kept draining it. That model is about the planet's life force, not the kind of power it gives someone.

The negative lifestream started when Sephiroth finally merged into the lifestream at the end of FF7 contaminating it, when the lifestream came to destroy meteor many ppl were exposed to the contaminated lifestream, infecting them with Geostigma.

Eventually the negative lifestream will take over, choking/corroding the planet, the video i posted earlier was the bugenhagen explanation of the lifestream, everything on the planet is made up of the lifestream from every living thing, every deceased person, its a source of energy, power, destruction, magic, etc

Once Sephiroth negative lifestream took over the planet, he can alter it at will, turning the planet into his vessel and sail the cosmos.. that was his goal.

It has nothing to do with power

Originally posted by Terryc250
Huh? The lifestream is power.. what do you think materia is originally made up of? What helped disintigrate meteor? What were those creatures kadaj summoned made up of? What is Omega WEAPON composed of? Having control over a good portion of the lifestream is having control over alot of power.

And talking about the power of the Lifestream, the Compilation Ultimania states that what destroyed Meteor was only a portion of the Lifestream. The thing is fuc*ing powerful.

To VinCon: I don't know the exact page number, but in the RF it says that they were trying to give him a divine, supernatural, and otherwordly appearance.

The negative lifestream is not the majority of the lifestream, but Sephiroth did create it. It wasn't simply corruption of the existing lifestream, it was him taking the spirit energy that was out of the stream, in the people with geostigma, and creating a brand new lifestream that he had full control of.

The negative lifestream started when Sephiroth finally merged into the lifestream at the end of FF7 contaminating it, when the lifestream came to destroy meteor many ppl were exposed to the contaminated lifestream, infecting them with Geostigma.

I've yet to hear an actual confirmation on exactly what started the Negative Lifestream. I've seen debate that it was Sephiroth, but I've also seen points towards it being the remains of Jenova. If it was in fact Jenova's remains, then Sephiroth didn't create it. He just controlled what was there and manipulated her remaining cells in the survivors to create Geostigma, which led to more corrupted Lifestream. But I'll concede that I'm mistaken on this one if someone could provide a quote with the exact information. I'll look through the RF myself as well.

Eventually the negative lifestream will take over, choking/corroding the planet, the video i posted earlier was the bugenhagen explanation of the lifestream, everything on the planet is made up of the lifestream from every living thing, every deceased person, its a source of energy, power, destruction, magic, etc

This is pretty common knowledge. However, the Bugenhagen explanation in that particular video isn't relevant to power. All that segment explains is the results when the LS leaves the planet. He goes on to explain Spirit Energy, and its connection to life, but any relations to power are explained by others (Sephiroth explains materia, Cloud and Hojo explain SOLDIER, etc, etc.).

Once Sephiroth negative lifestream took over the planet, he can alter it at will, turning the planet into his vessel and sail the cosmos.. that was his goal.

Which he quite clearly explained in the film. However, he was unsuccessful in his attempt. He never absorbed it, and therefore never gained any power from the Negative Lifestream that would be useful in combat, just as he failed to absorb it in FFVII and didn't recieve the power he expected to from that.

Huh? The lifestream is power.. what do you think materia is originally made up of? What helped disintigrate meteor? What were those creatures kadaj summoned made up of? What is Omega WEAPON composed of? Having control over a good portion of the lifestream is having control over alot of power.

1) Again, moderately common knowledge. I never once said that the Lifestream didn't grant power. However, I did say that the video you provided has nothing to do with power, and it doesn't. That video is from the Cosmo Canyon model, which he used to describe the path of Spirit Energy from living creatures to the planet, and the results if that Spirit Energy were ever completely drained. The video had nothing to do with power.

Now, if you were to cite Sephiroth's explanation in Nibelheim, during which he explains the concept of materia, or if you cited the various explanations provided by Hojo, Cloud, etc, etc. in regards to its use as a physical enhancer for SOLDIER personnel, I wouldn't be saying that the example provided had nothing to do with power.

2) Having control over a good portion of the lifestream does grant power. However, Sephiroth has yet to have control over a good amount of Lifestream. He had very little control in FFVII, and the Negative Lifestream we see him summon was a storm that was cast over a moderate portion of Midgar/Edge. As someone said earlier, a mere portion of the actual Lifestream was capable of covering almost the entire planet. Even then, Sephiroth never actually used the Negative Lifestream for anything besides creating said storm, which didn't actually do...well...anything. Had he absorbed it as he originally planned with the Lifestream in VII, that might be the case.

I don't know the exact page number, but in the RF it says that they were trying to give him a divine, supernatural, and otherwordly appearance.

I've been looking over it, and I haven't been able to find any use of the terms "divine", "divinity," or anything of the sort. Otherworldy and Supernatural yes, but not anything about him being divine. But I'm in a rush, so I'll look more closely later.

I just went through some of it the other day, I could have swore it was in there. If it isn't in the RF it was in an interview with Nomura, Nojima, or Kitase. I'll look through some of those and see if I can find it there.

Good luck on the interviews. I'll keep looking through the RF, but you might want to check just in case I'm missing it. FFVII is starting to remind me of Star Wars in the sense that there's so much information coming from sources outside of the games, movies, etc, etc. that it's hard to keep track of what was said where.

I know what you mean. There are so many interviews, companion books and ultimanias out there that finding a quote these days takes quite a while.

Though SW definitely takes the cake as far as sources are concerned. I've been into SW since the 4th grade, and I probably know less than 1/4 of everything there is to know in the series.

Oh, SW is far worse with that kind of thing. Seriously, you know there's too much information to keep track of when they have so many characters, moons/planets, vehicles, alien species, etc, etc. that they can make books on each individual subject that are nearly novel length and still not have all the information. And not only do most of those guides not have all the information, but they just keep adding more of it to the story. The guides probably don't have every last bit of information because they just can't keep up.

...I wonder how long it would take to make a complete encyclopedia with the information from every "Essential Guide", magazine, and so on and so forth after LotF is finished...

This is a versus forum. Who cares if Sephiroth is not an actual god? He have the power of one, and can use it in battle. That's what really matters.

The Negative Lifestream was connected to him, this is why he could control it. He didn't need, or want, to absorb it. He wanted to use it to transform the planet in a vessel, and that's what he was doing when he commanded it to descend, in form of tendrils.

This is a versus forum. Who cares if Sephiroth is not an actual god? He have the power of one, and can use it in battle. That's what really matters.

Whether or not Sephiroth is an actual god actually has quite a bit of relevance to the discussion. If he's a genuine, all-knowing and all-powerful "god", then it's quite an indicator of his abilities. There are different types of "gods", and they're all on different levels. I tend to split them into three categories:

1) "Gods". These are the characters who are insanely powerful and "godly", but who aren't divine. Examples from FF might be Sephiroth or Kuja.

2) Gods. These are the ancient mythology types. Zeus, Hades, and so on and so forth. They're genuinely divine, but they generally aren't all-knowing or all-powerful, and they can usually be killed. The closest example I've heard in FF would probably be Necron, though I don't know much other than what I've been told.

3) "God" gods. These are the ones who would truly qualify due to being all-knowing, all-powerful, and so on. An example of this might be Ultimecia if she managed to achieve true and complete time compression. Doing so would essentially give her absolute control over space and time, essentially giving her the ability to manipulate/control reality itself.

Quite an obvious difference in power depending on their "level" of divinity.

The Negative Lifestream was connected to him, this is why he could control it. He didn't need, or want, to absorb it. He wanted to use it to transform the planet in a vessel, and that's what he was doing when he commanded it to descend, in form of tendrils.

You do realize that you're actually helping my point, right? For him to "have the power of the Lifestream", he would have to absorb it. Simply controlling it isn't the same as having it's power. By not absorbing it, he prevent himself from using it's power for anything that would be useful in a duel. Meaning that even if it can be used as a tool, it doesn't increase his personal power.

^If he can control it, why wouldnt it stop him from absorbing it? He can just simulate what he wanted to do in the original FF7, which is make all the lifestream gather at one point (him) and absorb it.

Okay...back on topic...stops at Trance Kuja.

If he can control it, why wouldnt it stop him from absorbing it? He can just simulate what he wanted to do in the original FF7, which is make all the lifestream gather at one point (him) and absorb it.

I never said that he wasn't capable of absorbing it. However, what matters is that he didn't absorb it. Therefore he doesn't have its power. What he might have become capable of if he had done so has no impact on what he's currently capable of.

Sephiroth don't need to absorb it, because he is already using it's power. The Negative Lifestream is connected to Jenova(his new body), it's an extension of him.

If he wasn't/couldn't use it's power without absorbing it, then his strength in AC would be equal to the Jenova/Sephiroth you chase during FFVII, because his body in the movie is the same as that one. But the creators stated he was in his most powerful form ever in AC, stronger than ever before. Because of the Negative Lifestream, of course.

The Negative Lifestream is already part of him, he don't need to absorb it.

1) No, the NL isn't already part of him. It's no more a part of him than the Copies, or SOLDIER. It's infected with Jenova, therefore he can control it. And like the Copies, it won't be a part of him or Jenova until he absorbs it. Sure, you could say that it's an "extension" of him, but only in the same way that the Copies, Jenova, and SOLDIER (To an extent) are part of him. However, it's nothing but a tool, just as the Copies/Jenova (And SOLDIER, if they didn't have the power to resist) are tools.

2) Actually, his body wouldn't be equal to the one you chase during FFVII, because the one you chase during FFVII is Jenova. Sephiroth is in the Northern Crater and, by that point, had already more or less surpassed the body you chase throughout the game. Therefore logically, even without some kind of power boost, the body we see in AC would still be superior to the body we chase in FFVII.

3) I don't suppose you could provide a quote from the creators stating that Sephiroth is in his most powerful form. I agree that he is, I would just like an actual quote. Either way, there's nothing implying that it's due to the Negative Lifestream. If anything, it would be the fact that he's no longer dealing with a flesh and blood body, and is composed of nothing but Jenova Cells (The "head"😉 and Mako (Kadaj), whereas in FFVII there were still remnants of his human body. This would also more effectively match their statement that he had "lost all human weakness".

The Negative Lifestream isn't already a part of him, and he would need to absorb it to have its power. Just like the Clones and Jenova aren't a part of him, and he would need to absorb them to have their power (Excluding their uses as tools).

Trance Kuja is Sephiroth except more of a pussy. Sephiroth gets pissed off at him and blows his hole in.
Stops at Pyron.

Trance Kuja is what Seph wants to be when he gets the sex change.

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