classic juggernaut vs. kalibak

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No he won't. Kain fights in character. And Kalibak is stronger and has more resources. The Juggernaut wanking is rediculous. He's been hurt a few times. And he WILL fight in character. Oh yes, and he's quite stupid. Or did you forget how stupid he looked fighting WWH.

Cain fights in character yes but unlike Rhino Cain isn't stupid and has on a number of occasions fought incredibly. Now we assume that people are fighting at their best Cain fighting at his best has his shield up and beats down Kalibak.

And Cain has been hurt a few times by Plot device Items none of which Kalibak has.

Originally posted by Newjak
At least spell his name right.

Cain fights in character yes but unlike Rhino Cain isn't stupid and has on a number of occasions fought incredibly. Now we assume that people are fighting at their best Cain fighting at his best has his shield up and beats down Kalibak.

And Cain has been hurt a few times by Plot device Items none of which Kalibak has.

Kal has an Omega Rod that's power is tied directly into his will. He is also Far stronger than Juggs and has Psy powers. And How is juggs going to hit cal with a shield up? The shield that I remember only slows down the momentum of an approaching object. Anyone stronge enough can overcome that with strength alone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Kal has an Omega Rod that's power is tied directly into his will. He is also Far stronger than Juggs and has Psy powers. And How is juggs going to hit cal with a shield up? The shield that I remember only slows down the momentum of an approaching object. Anyone stronge enough can overcome that with strength alone.

And he isn't stronger than Cain unless you want to say Kalibak is stronger than Thor is if he is it isn't by much.

And if you ask Spidey or Beast yes Cain can hit you with his shield up.

And Cain's shield slowed down the hammer but if you also notice the hammer never even touched Cain.

And even if what you said were true even Thor couldn't push through it with strength alone.

Originally posted by Newjak
Who cares.

And he isn't stronger than Cain unless you want to say Kalibak is stronger than Thor is if he is it isn't by much.

And if you ask Spidey or Beast yes Cain can hit you with his shield up.

And Cain's shield slowed down the hammer but if you also notice the hammer never even touched Cain.

And even if what you said were true even Thor couldn't push through it with strength alone.

Kalibak is stronger than Orion.

Orion and Superman are physical equals.

Superman is stronger than Thor.

Also, Kalibak can easily BFR juggs into outerspace with his superior strength or a boomtube under Cain's feat into the heart of the sun.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Kalibak is stronger than Orion.

Orion and Superman are physical equals.

Superman is stronger than Thor.

Also, Kalibak can easily BFR juggs into outerspace with his superior strength or a boomtube under Cain's feat into the heart of the sun.

Also, enough with the "Juggs isn't as strong" crap. That get's used a lot, just because Juggs hasn't had the ridiculous feats that other's, such as Hulk have had.
First of all, I think it adds to his credibility.
Second, unless proof can be shown, actually showing him getting physically muscled around by somebody, or overpowered, or failing in a strength feat, it should still stand to reason that his strength is unlimited.
You know, the way he has shown that other top tiers can be muscled around by Cain.

Originally posted by Horrificus
We don't know that juggernaut can really be BFR'd.
He has been tripped, and shrugged by, both under his own forward momentum. But has never actually been BFR'd, except by Onslaught.
It has been proven that Juggs can move in any direction he wishes, even if he is nowhere. So, it should be surmised that, if Jugg's doesn't want to go, he probably ain't going. Unless you can prove that a Boomtube is more powerful than Onslaught or Cain/Cyttorak's power.

Also, enough with the "Juggs isn't as strong" crap. That get's used a lot, just because Juggs hasn't had the ridiculous feats that other's, such as Hulk have had.
First of all, I think it adds to his credibility.
Second, unless proof can be shown, actually showing him getting physically muscled around by somebody, or overpowered, or failing in a strength feat, it should still stand to reason that his strength is unlimited.
You know, the way he has shown that other top tiers can be muscled around by Cain.

This post fails. Juggs can't be stopped once moved. Where the hell does it say he can't be moved unless he doesn't want to? And yes juggy can be BFR'd. He was bfr'd when he fought Thor and the new warriors. And It doesn't stand to reason that his strength is unlimited. IT's not. His durability isn't even unlimited. IT's high, but we've seen him hurt before. Juggs gets sent on a one way ticket to outspace via aright hook, or he gets boomtubed into the sun.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Kalibak is stronger than Orion.

Orion and Superman are physical equals.

Superman is stronger than Thor.

Also, Kalibak can easily BFR juggs into outerspace with his superior strength or a boomtube under Cain's feat into the heart of the sun.

And Juggernaut does have the power to increase his strength through focus and which allows him to tap into more power from the Crimson Cosmos.

So Strength is far from a problem for Juggernaut.

Now BFR is Kalibak's only chance of winning because Juggernaut has already dealt with everything he can dish out.

And by the way Superman is stronger than Kalibak so the comparison fails.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This post fails. Juggs can't be stopped once moved. Where the hell does it say he can't be moved unless he doesn't want to? And yes juggy can be BFR'd. He was bfr'd when he fought Thor and the new warriors. And It doesn't stand to reason that his strength is unlimited. IT's not. His durability isn't even unlimited. IT's high, but we've seen him hurt before. Juggs gets sent on a one way ticket to outspace via aright hook, or he gets boomtubed into the sun.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well its a good thing Juggernaut is stronger than Thor as well.

And Juggernaut does have the power to increase his strength through focus and which allows him to tap into more power from the Crimson Cosmos.

So Strength is far from a problem for Juggernaut.

Now BFR is Kalibak's only chance of winning because Juggernaut has already dealt with everything he can dish out.

And by the way Superman is stronger than Kalibak so the comparison fails.

WRONG. Superman is NOT stronger than Kalibak. Keep up. Kalibak has been upgraded. Which is why he's now stronger than Orion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WRONG. Superman is NOT stronger than Kalibak. Keep up. Kalibak has been upgraded. Which is why he's now stronger than Orion.

Anyways once again back to my other points.

Juggernaut is stronger than Thor who is in the same strength category as Superman

Planetary Strength.

So if Kalibak is stronger than Orion and Juggernaut is stronger than Thor how does that put Kalibak a ton over Cain.

And once again Cain does have the ability to amp himself through Focus.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet the last encounter they had Superman won. This upgrade may put Kalibak over Orion but then again Superman is Superman.

Anyways once again back to my other points.

Juggernaut is stronger than Thor who is in the same strength category as Superman

Planetary Strength.

So if Kalibak is stronger than Orion and Juggernaut is stronger than Thor how does that put Kalibak a ton over Cain.

And once again Cain does have the ability to amp himself through Focus.

Juggy isn't as strong as Kalibak. He isn't as good a fighter. He hardly ever uses his shield, and he has been hurt enough times for him not to be considered absolutely invulnerable.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, Cain has the ability to amp himself but couldn't amp himself over WWH or Warhulk? He just can tap Cytorrak's power on his own without asking for help? And Superman is by far stronger than thor. I dont' know where you get same catagory. Thor is overall more powerful than supers, but certainly not in strength. And The last fight superman and kalibak had, I seem to remember being BEFORE kals upgrade. Now Kal's last fight with Orion showed him being able to literally crush orion's punch in one hand. While Orion and Superman where shown as Physical equals. 2 Plus 2 Makes 4.

Juggy isn't as strong as Kalibak. He isn't as good a fighter. He hardly ever uses his shield, and he has been hurt enough times for him not to be considered absolutely invulnerable.

Thor has planetary feats. He has shaken a planet and moved the Midgard Serpent both Planetary level feats which puts hi mi nthe same league has Superman strength wise. Obviously Superman is probably still a little stronger but it isn't as huge a gap as people like to pretend.

Juggernaut has embarrased Thor before and KOed him. Juggy is definitely in Kal's level.

Juggernaut does have a shield though and everything Kalibak could throw at Cain would have no effect.
Punches nothing
Energy Blasts nothing

The only chance Kalibak has of winning is through BFR. In a straight up fight he would lose because Cain is just flat out better physically. Just as strong with the ability to amp, Unlimited Stamina, and way more Durability.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This post fails. Juggs can't be stopped once moved. Where the hell does it say he can't be moved unless he doesn't want to? And yes juggy can be BFR'd. He was bfr'd when he fought Thor and the new warriors. And It doesn't stand to reason that his strength is unlimited. IT's not. His durability isn't even unlimited. IT's high, but we've seen him hurt before. Juggs gets sent on a one way ticket to outspace via aright hook, or he gets boomtubed into the sun.

Nev, I am saying that if he is moving in a direction, he can't be BFR'd unless it's by his own momentum.
If he is moving toward Kalibak, and a boomtube opens under him, he ain't going.
Thor cut off Juggs power before he did that.
Thor's strikes have shaken the entire univers in the past. On Panel.
And, also, if I'm not mistake, Jugg's has been BFR'd in space before. And, I think he was actually able to walk where he wanted to go, on nothing.

Originally posted by Newjak
It depends on his level of focus in fact if you look at that comic you relaize that Juggernaut actually self amped himself from depowered to normal powered Juggs. In fact he was winning the fight Hulk. And that Hulk was supposed to be stronger than when they had met in the past so Juggernaut actually went past his previous levels.

Thor has planetary feats. He has shaken a planet and moved the Midgard Serpent both Planetary level feats which puts hi mi nthe same league has Superman strength wise. Obviously Superman is probably still a little stronger but it isn't as huge a gap as people like to pretend.

Juggernaut has embarrased Thor before and KOed him. Juggy is definitely in Kal's level.

Juggernaut does have a shield though and everything Kalibak could throw at Cain would have no effect.
Punches nothing
Energy Blasts nothing

The only chance Kalibak has of winning is through BFR. In a straight up fight he would lose because Cain is just flat out better physically. Just as strong with the ability to amp, Unlimited Stamina, and way more Durability.

Oh and that serpent feat of Thor's is a non feat. The serpent was ethereal and was causing havok by magical implementation. And THor hasn't shaken any planets unless you mean that hyperbole feat that was very obviously stated that They MIGHT spin the planet off it's axis with his fight with herc. It was a hyperbole statement and clearly the tone of the writer meant it as such.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Nev, I am saying that if he is moving in a direction, he can't be BFR'd unless it's by his own momentum.
If he is moving toward Kalibak, and a boomtube opens under him, he ain't going.
Thor cut off Juggs power before he did that.

If boom tube opens up under him, he's going. Just like when he sank under the conrete that firestar melted.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What makes you think He's got waay more durability and His stamina would out match kalibaks? If He's been amped so far that a punch from orion is literally twisted in his palm then I can't see Juggs standing there and trading blows. And that shield is Not always up. It wasn't up when he got burned in the face, scratched with claws, or tripped by war hulk.

Oh and that serpent feat of Thor's is a non feat. The serpent was ethereal and was causing havok by magical implementation. And THor hasn't shaken any planets unless you mean that hyperbole feat that was very obviously stated that They MIGHT spin the planet off it's axis with his fight with herc. It was a hyperbole statement and clearly the tone of the writer meant it as such.

And yes his stamina would outmatch Kalibak's. Cain no longer needs to breath, eat, sleep. He is completely sustained by his magical energies and therefore as long as Cyttorak is supplying Cain with Magic Cain can keep on going without tiring. Cain has KOed Thor and taken blows from Thor's hammer without flinching I think Kalibak's blows will mean squat next to that.

Umm the Serpent is actually physical and has fought with Thor on more than one occasion.

And Thor has shaken the planet Earth when he was arm wrestling Herc. In fact they had to stop because it was going to tear the Earth to pieces. This isn't Hyperbole it did happen.

Thor has also moved the World Machine before.

Also like I siad before Cain has used his shield often enough in a fight in KMC where the people are supposed to be fighting at their best Cain would have it up.

Thor struck so hard, it was felt throughout the universe. It is in his respect thread I think.

The midgard serpent was not ethereal. It was solid substance, and the battle between it and Thor left Thor with broken bones, until the end, when the t2o collided, and Thor was literally liquified by the collision.

Originally posted by Newjak
Because he has already taken the very best that Kalibak could hope to dish out.

And yes his stamina would outmatch Kalibak's. Cain no longer needs to breath, eat, sleep. He is completely sustained by his magical energies and therefore as long as Cyttorak is supplying Cain with Magic Cain can keep on going without tiring. Cain has KOed Thor and taken blows from Thor's hammer without flinching I think Kalibak's blows will mean squat next to that.

Umm the Serpent is actually physical and has fought with Thor on more than one occasion.

And Thor has shaken the planet Earth when he was arm wrestling Herc. In fact they had to stop because it was going to tear the Earth to pieces. This isn't Hyperbole it did happen.

Thor has also moved the World Machine before.

Also like I siad before Cain has used his shield often enough in a fight in KMC where the people are supposed to be fighting at their best Cain would have it up.

I"ve read the scans of the thor herc armwresting match and it was clearly hyperbole. It wasn't even a narrator. It was two people talking to each other or some crap like that. the shit stan lee used to do to excite younger readers. Hyperbole. The planet was not spinning off of it's axis. The serpent was ethereal when it was on earth. And it was NOT a planetary feat even if it was solid. The snake was in no way NEARLY as large as the earth and it certainly didn't have the mass. It it did, the earth would have collapsed into cosmic powder from the conflicting gravitational pulls.
And if this is a fight where people are fighting to the best of thier abilities, Kalibak would knock the helmet off or boom tube it off and psy fry Juggy's brain. Or he'd just BFR him into the sun. And Thor isn't as strong as superman. Maybe 75%. 80% on a good day.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"ve read the scans of the thor herc armwresting match and it was clearly hyperbole. It wasn't even a narrator. It was two people talking to each other or some crap like that. the shit stan lee used to do to excite younger readers. Hyperbole. The planet was not spinning off of it's axis. The serpent was ethereal when it was on earth. And it was NOT a planetary feat even if it was solid. The snake was in no way NEARLY as large as the earth and it certainly didn't have the mass. It it did, the earth would have collapsed into cosmic powder from the conflicting gravitational pulls.
And if this is a fight where people are fighting to the best of thier abilities, Kalibak would knock the helmet off or boom tube it off and psy fry Juggy's brain. Or he'd just BFR him into the sun. And Thor isn't as strong as superman. Maybe 75%. 80% on a good day.

The serpent was very physical how else would you explain Thor being able to hook the thing. 🙄

And it was quite big able to wrap around the Earth therefore it is definitely planetary in size.

Except he couldn't knock the helmet off if the shield is up and like I said BFR would be his best and only real option.

I would say Thor is more 90% of Superman at his best. And Juggernaut can crush Thor physically that should let you in on the fact Juggernaut is very strong.

Originally posted by Newjak
It wasn't Hyperbole it was actually happening.

The serpent was very physical how else would you explain Thor being able to hook the thing. 🙄

And it was quite big able to wrap around the Earth therefore it is definitely planetary in size.

Except he couldn't knock the helmet off if the shield is up and like I said BFR would be his best and only real option.

I would say Thor is more 90% of Superman at his best. And Juggernaut can crush Thor physically that should let you in on the fact Juggernaut is very strong.

Juggs has never been able to crush Hulk. Thor has stalemated hulk in a test of strength. Juggs is NOT stronger than thor. At least by any signifigant amount. As for thor and the serpent, the ship he was on was magical. WHo says the serpent had to be physical. If it where even as heavy as the moon, the earth would have been instantly destroyed. Nuff said.

And Yes, the scan with Thor and Herc was Hyperbole. IT says THEY MIGHT throw the earth off it's axis or some shit like that. can't member. been a long time.