Terry Bogard vs. Kyo Kusanagi (with a twist)

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1. He's based on Gouken. Takuma's not even on the radar cuz Akuma is just another english/US. fvckup. You did a horrible job of proving otherwise btw.

brain don't try to act like that this was my proof. answer to:
-being unnamed bosses
-wearing demon mask
-related to protagonist
-same moves more honed

here is another thing: why would snk pair akuma with takuma in SvsC when they had the likes of Goenitz in the game?

You already know I'm that crazy guy who expects proof to actually prove something so don't give me that halfassed crap. 1st you give me a WINquote from a guy who lost(no WIN = no WINquote, genius). & then this. Don't get mad @me 'cuz you can't prove something. Just do better. & try answering ALL the questions for once. I said, "DO THEY HAVE THE WORD LETHAL IN FRONT OF THEM(OR EVEN IN BACK OF THEM)? & SHOW PROOF OF HIM HITTING SOMEBODY(CANON) W/ONE & NOT KILLING THEM OR AT LEAST DOING MORE'N TEARING THIN FABRIC.

i should answer all the questions? 🙄
you're the ****tard whose been answering one question with either a lameass dodge, a lame attempt at humor or by another question. screw you, mane. you're here telling me that haohshikoken can't kill on the basis of what? you want proof i gave it to you. answer in yes or no, sherlock.

you wanted proof that haohshikoken is lethal. i gave you quotes from IN GAME and from FAQS telling you that IT CAN. so what are you even going on about brainchild? what are you trying to proove now that i have PROVEN that he CAN. put up or shut up, kiddo.

Pay attention retard. You said that ripoffs special attacks were all called deathblows.

they ARE called deathblows, twit. it's from the game as you posted your dumb f00king self.

He hit King w/one to do minor damage to her clothes. Still following along? If that deathblow was a clothes killer, what real proof is there that they ALL aren't clothes killers?

follow this dumbf--k:
THE IN-GAME AND FAQS ARE PROOF. or try "capable of deflecting city incinerating beams" for a change. and before you have periods...it was from their KoF2000 ending which was canon.

if it's called death blow, but he doesn't kill it obviously means that he's holding back since ryo only fought to the death on one occassion which was against takuma and he was damn near about to kill someone.

here is another thing: you say ryu and ken hold back? so why can't we assume the same for ryo? answer me that. the shirt tear is supposed to show that he can't kill people but can't show that he hodls back. you're just full of it man.

and try one more:
in KoFMI2 he hits terry with a ki based punch that sends terry skyrocketting backwards 30feet into a pool that bends out of shape and leaves terry groggy.
note: not koohken. not haohshikoken. just a ki based punch.

shows that haoshikoken is more than capable of doing worse. now unless you're a dumb**** (which you obviously are) it pretty much sums up what the haohshikoken is capable of.

and YOU ARE STILL DODGIN WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. that being takuma and akuma. you've got nothing to say as is obvious and even Wander Flame agreed. so clearly you're the deficient one.

He never hit Takuma w/the HK so we've never seen it (or any worthless Kyokugen move from any worthless Kyokugen practicioner ) kill ANYBODY.

and this means something despite the INGAME and FAQS POINTING THAT HE WAS GOING TO KILL HIM WITH IT. you have no proof. you have nothing to go on with. give up already. i'll give you mercy points and let you leave with your pride intact.

I'm not gonna just believe his deathblows kill when the one he actually did do did nothing but MINOR clothes damage. Whenever they kill something that was actually ALIVE to begin with, call me. In the meantime, STFU kid.

ryo and robert hold back as is obvious. same as ryu and ken. they aren't killers. but unlike ryu, ryo was damn near about to kill someone with his moves.
funny how your sorry-excuse-for-a-retort is that ryu holds back but STILL can't explain how he can't even make clothes shred.

this is how it's going:

brian: ryo only tears shirts with his death blows
sado: dude, but ryu can't even do that much with his "lethal moves"
brain: but ryu holds back
sado: and so does ryo which is pretty obvious
brian: but ryo never killed anybody
sado: he was about to as is shown in game, in faqs and in the freaking history of the Aof series
brain: (i'm too f--king stupid to understand that)

~Sado

okay this is getting a little out of hand, brain. I'll try to be civil from now on. i'll cut back on the offensive language if you do 🙂

Deal. Everything says Ryu & Ken use non fatal shit. Not just me. You already know. "Why can't we just assume that ripoff....." Stop right there. How come whenever you assume for Ryu/Capcom/Rock it's always assuming the worst(that "probably lost to Hugo" crap or "he's on the same level as Billy & was getting beat up"😉, but when you assume for ripoff/SNK/stuff you like it's always for the best? I've never been one for a whole lotta assuming anyways, but don't be biased about it when you choose to. I'm not assuming Ryu/Ken hold back. They do & we know it. I ain't assumed for them & I damn sure ain't gonna do it 4 ripoff. I usually go off of what's presented in front of me. In game: ripoff's just kicking his @ss & Yuri stops him. I didn't see anybody mention death or killing. I posted the ending in this thread. Please explain how their ending in 2000 was canon when they didn't win? That's mad strange. I've heard from YOU & others that faqs ain't always right IIRC. I didn't notice WF agreeing w/you & even if he did should that magically change my mind? 😂 Won't. So ripoff hurting & not KOing Terry w/a punch shows that he can kill w/HK? That's a huge leap in logic yo. Your lame list used to be a bit longer didn't it? 😂 Allow me to shorten it even more mane. Gouki don't wear no mask. His relation to the protagonist is the reason why he has the same moves so that would only be one. Not 2. The relation istself is different. 1 is a loving father & teacher. Gouki neither loves nor is blood related nor taught Ryu. Goken(the guy Gouki IS based on) did & how much sense would it make if his moves weren't a lil' better? & they macthed him up w/Takuma 'cuz they were dumb & they wanted to(unless you got something from them stating different. There. Can you answer the stuff about Goki's moves now?

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Which looks better
😄 I don't like either of those pix. She looks bad w/the whole suit on & those white Bugs Bunny gloves suck. MT fighters should either have boxing gloves on or something w/the fingers cut out or Sagat style taping. Her best sprite is the one w/the vest. I hate when she wears the suit. An updated version of the AOF sprite would be perfect.

I still don't get how Ryo is a "ripoff". At least I don't think so. The only similarities I see between Ryo and Ryu, is his name and the uppercut special. I'm not gonna say the clothes since gis have been in fighting games before ryu.

Deal. Everything says Ryu & Ken use non fatal shit. Not just me. You already know. "Why can't we just assume that ripoff....." Stop right there.

ryu and ken's fighting style is the toned down version of ansatsuken which is because gouken was against killing. so ryu and ken (especially ken) cannot kill with their styles unless the dark hadou sets in.
and like i said last time brain (calm down, and stay with me on this one):
-you have the terry incident in KoFMI2 which was just a punch. just imagine the kind of damage we're talking with koohken. terry was literally spitting blood after that one....and that is saying a lot since it is Terry Bogard we're talking about. no matter how much you love/hate the guy we both know that he's one of the toughest fighters from SNK. making a legend spit blood with a blow is saying a lot. also we don't know which move ryo did to king or if he even did a special move. for all we know he tried to throw her and her shirt remained in his hands 😆
also akuma and gen fought in an all out deathmatch but none of their moves killed the other (i'm talking about the lethal ones that akuma has). why? it's because they are on the same level. king and ryo are near equals (king even fought robert to a stand still in a onehour fight). it's fairly obvious that since they are on the same level their regular moves won't "kill" the other person. same reason why ken and ryu can take each other's blows but Adon was KO'd in a single shoryuken by ryu. it's because they are the same tier.

How come whenever you assume for Ryu/Capcom/Rock it's always assuming the worst(that "probably lost to Hugo" crap or "he's on the same level as Billy & was getting beat up"😉, but when you assume for ripoff/SNK/stuff you like it's always for the best?

same reason why you love to hate terry mane. we have our biases. i never came here claiming to be a saint. also what was pissingoff with ryu's case is that Hugo is a lardass from final fight who wasn't even a boss. he was a generic thug getting mauled through out the game and then comes and withstands ryu's STRONGEST move. at least king is the same tier as ryo and robert. beating her up with a koohken (and by the way she is all busted up too after the thing. it's not that it was only her shirt that tore).

I'm not assuming Ryu/Ken hold back. They do & we know it. I ain't assumed for them & I damn sure ain't gonna do it 4 ripoff.

that's okay but i've given you reasons to think otherwise. they as a perfect example above: ryo terry. look at the damage ryo did to terry despite them being equals. and that wasn't even a kooken or a haohken.

I usually go off of what's presented in front of me. In game: ripoff's just kicking his @ss & Yuri stops him.

she said "don't do it brother!" (with the melodrama of course 😆 )
and of course there is the faq i sent to you. and THIS is where i have a problem with you, brain. you never had a problem with the faqs before but you're doubting it now? why? how?

I didn't see anybody mention death or killing. I posted the ending in this thread. Please explain how their ending in 2000 was canon when they didn't win?

dude, all kof endings are canon since they don't depend on the teams winning the tournament. but of course this doesn't satisfy you so i'll give you proof:
king's winquote to takuma in KoF2001 is "yes, you did save my life but that doesn't matter here!". now where did takuma save king's life? it was in their KoF2000 ending when takuma did the haohshikoken to deflect the zero canon that was about to land on king (that would've f--ked her up a lot worse than clothes tear btw).

[quoteI've heard from YOU & others that faqs ain't always right IIRC.[/quote]
true. KLantis is unreliable but that's not the only faq i checked with IIRC.

I didn't notice WF agreeing w/you & even if he did should that magically change my mind?

but he likes chunli 🙁

Won't. So ripoff hurting & not KOing Terry w/a punch shows that he can kill w/HK? That's a huge leap in logic yo. Your lame list used to be a bit longer didn't it?

actually yes. on the basis that:
-it wasn't a special
-it was normal ki based punch
-terry was coughing up blood
-terry was launched 30 feet away (and would have flied further hadn't it been for the pole)

Gouki don't wear no mask.

brain, i never said he did. i said takuma wore a demon mask and that akuma was then launched AS a demon.

His relation to the protagonist is the reason why he has the same moves so that would only be one. Not 2. The relation istself is different. 1 is a loving father & teacher. Gouki neither loves nor is blood related nor taught Ryu.

actually they seem to be insinuating in both the alpha animes that akuma is ryu's father. also takuma and ryo were fighting in a hardfought battle (which whether or not you believe it) was a death match since sNK said it was. i don't see the point of putting logic in it.
at any rate, thanx for being civil. sorry for all the things i said in the past few days, mane. 🙁

~Sado

HERE YOU GO FOO! DAMN YOU FOR MAKING ME GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT STUPID TIAMAT HUGEASS FAQ! 😠

The following six are the 6 sure killing techniques of Goutetsu's ansatsuken, taught to both Gouken & Gouki, as defined in HnN.
gou hadouken: powerful surge fist, punch, strike
gou shoryuken: powerful rising dragon fist, punch, strike
tatsumaki zankuukyaku: tornado air cutting leg
zankuu hadouken: air cutting surge fist, punch, strike
shakunetsu hadouken: red-hot, scorching surge fist, punch, strike
ashurasenkuu: ashura air flash

Some other supers of Akuma's:
tenma gouzankuu: demon powerful air cutter
messatsu gou hadou: annihilating, obliterating powerful surge
messatsu gou shoryu: annihilating, obliterating powerful rising dragon
messatsu gou senpuu: annihilating, obliterating powerful whirlwind
messatsu gou rassen: annihilating, obliterating powerful spiral, helix

here you go.

oh and by the ryu's hadouken is stronger than gouki's since ryu is the ultimate master of it being one who mastered the hadou better than any practitioner.

I'll look for the faq where i read that one.

~Sado

Sure killing is an expression in Japanese Martial arts. The word is Hissatsu, which translate too "Sure Kill" or as in expression like "Here's my deadly attack". It does not literally mean the attack is lethal, Sado.

Also, Ansatsuken is not a fighting style, it simple refers to strong killing martial arts. Ryu and Kens fighting style does not advocate killing, since Gouken abhorred killing.

You are aware that Final fight happened over 10 years ago, right? Is it not possible that the character got stronger.

Not all characters can be great jobbers like those of FF.

Sure killing is an expression in Japanese Martial arts. The word is Hissatsu, which translate too "Sure Kill" or as in expression like "Here's my deadly attack". It does not literally mean the attack is lethal, Sado.

so then ryo being a shirt-tearer is equally acceptable right? i get what you mean though.

Also, Ansatsuken is not a fighting style, it simple refers to strong killing martial arts. Ryu and Kens fighting style does not advocate killing, since Gouken abhorred killing.

i was under the impression (from tiamat's guide) that ansatsuken was a level of fighting which makes it a killing art. that's why it said that Gen's fighting style is ALSO ansatsuken. confusing capcom.

You are aware that Final fight happened over 10 years ago, right? Is it not possible that the character got stronger.

i know but then 10 years ago, ryu was strong enough to scar sagat also man. why didn't HE get stronger. also from getting mauled by punk kids with a few fancy moves and withstanding one of the mightiest attack in the company's history is one hell of a jump. steriods...not good.

Not all characters can be great jobbers like those of FF.

true.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
so then ryo being a shirt-tearer is equally acceptable right? i get what you mean though.

What do you mean?

Originally posted by Sado22

i was under the impression (from tiamat's guide) that ansatsuken was a level of fighting which makes it a killing art. that's why it said that Gen's fighting style is ALSO ansatsuken. confusing capcom.

The Japanese term ansatsuken (暗殺拳, Murdering/Assassination Fist) is a generic term referring to any martial art created for assassination. The term "Ansatsuken" is used frequently in video game, manga, and anime series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansatsuken

Originally posted by Sado22

i know but then 10 years ago, ryu was strong enough to scar sagat also man. why didn't HE get stronger.
~Sado

Even though current Ryu is stated to rival Evil Ryu?

Originally posted by Sado22

also from getting mauled by punk kids with a few fancy moves and withstanding one of the mightiest attack in the company's history is one hell of a jump. steriods...not good.

Once Again that's unconfirmed, but Hugo beefing up after 10 years is not too hard to believe.

What do you mean?

i meant that if ryu has a "killing art" but doesn't kill with it but no one has a problem with that. but ryo has a "lethal art" and is flamed for being a shirt tearer. unfair. he doesn't kill cuz his art is about as full of hyperbole as ryu's.

as for hugo...i guess you're right.

~Sado

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABddXrh3bNE

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Glad to see you put my video. Ryowned!

of course, dude. if it means Ryu being pwned i'm automatically a fan!
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Originally posted by Sado22
of course, dude. if it means Ryu being pwned i'm automatically a fan!
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That's LOL. BTW, nice Kenshiro sig🙂

thanx darling 🙂
yeah we all love to hate ryu around here. btw, where were all this time? 🙁

Partially was busy with promoting Kenshiro's and K's greatness in the KMC team vs tourney there- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t468071.html

Those two are the characters I'm representing in the tourney. Kenshiro rules, BTW.

Charlotte!

Here, darling.
I'm returning to the Games Vs in February when DMC4 will be finally released so I'll have something good to update Dante's RT.
Have seen lots of Kain threads recently.