Terry Bogard vs. Kyo Kusanagi (with a twist)

Originally posted by BlueTornado
The main reason why I don't consider Ryo a "ripoff" is mostly because Ryu and Ken aren't that original honestly. While as Ryu and Ken are just kinda boring because they just wear gis and you have to agree that Gis are pretty mainstream in fighting games these days, even back then.

Keep in mind that Ryu and Ken do not practice karate, while as Ryo does. My guess is that when SNK was designing Ryo they wanted to make a 2d repersentation of Kyokushin karate, which Kyokugen karate is obviously based off of.

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What characters were sporting Ken and Ryu's Gi's designs at the time Street Fighter came out? There was no massive influx of Gi wearing fighters, because there weren't many fighters back in 87'. There's a reason why they are considered the first. A Gi being boring or generic is why we call Ryo rip off.

Except that Ryu and Ken's fighting style was based of "Kyokushin" prior too Street Fighter II . . .just like Ryo. Infact, Ryu and Ken's fighting style was described as a compilation of Judo and Karate move sets. Kyokushin was a specific inspiration not only in design, but in attacks.

Hell, here's the inspiration for Ryu and Sagats rivalry:

Yoshiji Soeno, a Kyokushin Karate legend; & "Reiba", the "Dark Lord of Muaythai", as potrayed in the old Japanese martial art comics "Karate Baka Ichidai"

So, yeah they are both coincidently inspired from Kyokushin.

The problem is that Rip off has more similarities:

-A rich best friend/Rival who has the same fighting style as him
-A rising upper cut and a projectile in a very similiar fashion as Ryu.
-Rip sleeves
-Facial features just like Ken

I could go on, hell Kyokugen even deliberately rip's off Capcom move sets:

-Roberts Sonic Boom and Flash kick all done in a charge motion. Hell, he even has a super version of it.

-Yuri's Shin-Shoryu-Ken and Shungokusatsu

SNK doesn't care too much if they created such a massive rip-off. I don't hate Ryo, I just tell it how it is.

Originally posted by Sado22
The reason why Ryo is NOT a ryu ripoff is because:
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-they belong to games directed by the same guy
-which probably means that they are made by the same guy also

-Ryo has different moves from Ryu. Save for the "koo-ho" (which he does with the leading arm anyway) all of his moves are different. heck ryu has ripped off Ryo on a number of ways (tatsumaki senpukyaku in EX series and his "super fire ball". oh and in case people don't know that, Tiger blow and tiger uppercut are as much shoryuken spoofs as ryo's moves. 😄

-they are inspired by the same anime (Hokuto no ken)
while ryu is hokuto no ken's Kenshiro's influenced, Ryo also has parrallels to Goku from dragon ball and Rei, another character frm Hokuto no Ken.

-No, they do not sado, you nor Olympian could never ever prove this. I've asked countless times for Ryo fans to prove that he was created by the man who created Ryu. There's no proof, it's just a rumor that fans created to make Ryo seem original. . .which is laughable.

- "Different leading arms" Big deal, it's the same move no matter how you look at it. He also copied the projectile as well, combined with the fact that Ryo's three main attacks are: A Rising uppercut [With another arm], A one sometimes two armed projectile, and a flying kick just like Ryu.

Originally posted by Sado22

-having a rich friend? hardly a parrallel. try future brother-in-law, totally different in clothes and style

-or how about totally different moves in later games.

-Heck ken is still doing the same moves as ryu while Robert has totally changed his moves. also while ken did the same moves with EVERY COMMAND in SF2, Robert did different moves with each punch. so while ken did a jab, a straight, a powerful straight, a fast sidekick, a hard sidekick and a backspin just like Ryu in SF2 Robert was doing different moves and turning backspins to roundhouses. guess who did just that in SF2 turbo. yes boys and girls, ken started doing roundhouses instead of backspins in SSF2T. is that a robert spoof now? 😆

~Sado

- There still Best friends/Rivals from the same school and one of them is rich, Sado. Difference in clothes ain't changing that massive similarity they have with Ryu and Ken. And, neither is the fact that they are future brothers by law. Besides It's not like we'll see Robert married anytime soon.

-Yeah, in much later games, doesn't change the fact that Ryo's design is still a rip off. Besides SNK still leeches more moves in later games. Robert has a Sonic Boom and Flash Kick in KOF 2K. It's a charge motion and he has a super flash kick just like Guile. Yuri has a Dejin Hadouken which is chargable, Shin-Shoryu-Ken, and Shun Goku Satsu. So, much for changing up?

-How does that change the fact that him and Rip off are Rip off's?
Just like you said, Ryu and Ken have changed in later games while Ryo and Robert are still biting moves off other characters.

ryu has ripped off Ryo on a number of ways (tatsumaki senpukyaku in EX series and his "super fire ball". oh and in case people don't know

I already gave AOF credit for developing the Hoashishoken/Death moves. But, Shinkuu Hadouken is just a beefed up version of a regular Hadouken.

And, Ryo ripped off Tatsumaki Senpu Kyaku in general. 😬

What characters were sporting Ken and Ryu's Gi's designs at the time Street Fighter came out?

there was no massive influx of Gi wearing fighters, because there weren't many fighters back in 87'. There's a reason why they are considered the first. A Gi being boring or generic is why we call Ryo rip off.

The problem is that Rip off has more similarities:
-A rich best friend/Rival who has the same fighting style as him
-A rising upper cut and a projectile in a very similiar fashion as Ryu.
-Rip sleeves
-Facial features just like Ken

I could go on, hell Kyokugen even deliberately rip's off Capcom move sets:
-Roberts Sonic Boom and Flash kick all done in a charge motion. Hell, he even has a super version of it.
-Yuri's Shin-Shoryu-Ken and Shungokusatsu
SNK doesn't care too much if they created such a massive rip-off. I don't hate Ryo, I just tell it how it is.

she's spoofing those moves just like dan does since their both comic relief characters.

also, Roy Bromwell:
-blonde blue eyed
-punches the ground to create a wave
-punches the ground to create a vertical stream
-has a charge based straight punch (burn knuckle)
...there are more probably but i haven't played rival schools in ages.

then of course there is the whole takuma=akuma thing. it goes both ways.

-No, they do not sado, you nor Olympian could never ever prove this. I've asked countless times for Ryo fans to prove that he was created by the man who created Ryu. There's no proof, it's just a rumor that fans created to make Ryo seem original. . .which is laughable.

"Different leading arms" Big deal, it's the same move no matter how you look at it. He also copied the projectile as well, combined with the fact that Ryo's three main attacks are: A Rising uppercut [With another arm], A one sometimes two armed projectile, and a flying kick just like Ryu.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
-karateka...the first game on Atari came out with the hero in a while karate gi. also dragon ball came out in 1984....and its all about karate gi.

-of course dragon ball came out ONE YEAR after hokuto no ken which introduced the whole projectiles thing.

- ryu and the SF world (and fighting world in general) owes most of its stories and ideas from Hokuto no ken. i'll elaborate on that whole thing in a special thread to be made soon.

-Does Karate-Ka feature a Gi similar to Ryu I.E. Rip sleeves? Having a Karate Gi isn't the problem, it's having a Gi modeled in a similar fashion with Ryu & Ken amongst many other "similarities".

-The get up's in Dragon Ball are not Karate Gi's, Sado. Dragon Ball borrows heavily from chinese influence's, that applies to the get ups as well. Never mind that Dragon Ball is not an anime nor is directly responsible for Ryu's design.

-I'm aware of that, but that doesn't excuse SNK from ripping of Ryu & Ken. It's not like they were paying homage to Ryu & Ken.

Originally posted by Sado22

-rich best friend. fine i'll give you that. but ryo isn't a pauper like ryu though. nor is ryo a low personality, the-fight-is-all kinda guy, nor is he a training nerd who travels to hone his skills. he also rides a bike, tends to wear normal clothes, has a prospective girl friend (your beloved king) and is goofy in personality. nothing like ken or ryu there.

-rising uppercut, i'll concede that, though no one calls sagat a ripoff for doing the same thing despite his action being totally the same (i'm talking tiger blow btw). atleast ryo does with the leading arm.

-rip sleeves.....not really. the idea of a hardass guy with torn sleeves been a japanese cliche since eons

-Kesnhiro, Goku etc are all examples of that. also ripped sleeves show practiced and seasoned martial artists who has been in many battles, which is exactly what ryo is. so are ken and ryu.

-facial features...not really. Ryo is actually homage to Rei from Hokuto no ken. they have the same face, same hairstyle and same facial features. what SNK did was combine kenshiro with rei and goku. again...expect a thorough page on this soon on my site. rei happens to be the second most popular guy from the series.

-We are talking about design, not back story or character.

-Because the Tiger Uppercut is supposed to be a counter for the Shoryuken.

-Rip sleeves from a Karate Gi, with a character that has the same hair as Ken and Ryu's name minus one letter?

-Son Goku doesn't have rip sleeves and Kenshiro doesn't have a Karate Gi, Sado. Furthermore, it's not just the rip sleeves man. It's the sleeve's combined with Ken's hair and Ryu's name minus one letter, A rich best friend, and three of their main moves.

-Rei doesn't have blond hair, though. Nor is his name one letter off from being Ryu.

Originally posted by Sado22

seems like a deliberate thing on their part actually. Yuri is a spoof character just like Dan is. and are you willing to tell me that Sakura isn't a Yuri clone. considering that yuri is:
-the spunky biatch
-fights in the same style as the protagonist
-her style however is more comical/toned down
-has her own style of doing her moves
-heck she even has the "higher" tatsumaki senpukyaku IIRC.

-she's spoofing those moves just like dan does since their both comic relief characters.

also, Roy Bromwell:
-blonde blue eyed
-punches the ground to create a wave
-punches the ground to create a vertical stream
-has a charge based straight punch (burn knuckle)
...there are more probably but i haven't played rival schools in ages.

-then of course there is the whole takuma=akuma thing. it goes both ways.

Yuri's based of Goukens daughter who happens to look just like Yuri. 🙂

-Okay, there both spunky
-Protagonist is a rip off which is why they have similar moves.
-Sakura's moves are different not toned down or comical.
-Who doesn't have a different style within the two schools?

-Dan's spoof's Ryo because he's a rip off. So, yuri spoofs Ryu because her brothers an unoriginal design?

As for Roy, I never said Capcom doesn't borrow. Yeah, Roy is based off Terry in some respects. But, the same applies to Ryo.

-If it goes both ways, then your gonna have to accept that Ryo's rip-off. Never mind that Akuma is based on Gouken.

Originally posted by Sado22

no not really. both AoF and SF1 were directed by the sme person. he's credited in both games as Finish matsumoto. his name is Hiroshi Matsumoto. google him.

~Sado

-Did he create Ryu, though? That's what me and brainy have been asking for a while. Because if he didn't, then it's irrelevant man.

Ditto. I'm totally apathetic about "probably". Unless it's proven he created Ryu & ripoff, ripoff is still ripoff suckassaki. Deal w/it. & it's funny how they tried to ignore the ripped gi sleeves thing.

😂 Sado you still saying that Gouki/Takuma shit? I've worn that list (you had like 6 things @1st) down to like 1 or 2. Coincidence. It's a done deal. Gouki comes from Gouken. You only ripoff people of some sort of importance(like Ryu/Ken & that @sshole Terry). Takuma ain't in that category. He's B list 4life mane. Capcom didn't even put his lame ass in the crossovers. SNK put him in one & it was a failure.

BT, if the Gi design is boring SNK shouldn't have ripped it off. They should have went w/something "not boring"

Originally posted by BlueTornado
SNK did borrow a few things from Ryu and ken and gave it to Ryo I'll admit that, but they also did this to their other characters as well. They're just not as obvious.

When you call him a ripoff you make it sound like he has nothing but copied stuff from Ryu and Ken. I think you're totally neglecting the other stuff that makes him different. Like I said he has similarities to Ryu and Ken but he's not a complete clone.

Originally posted by Classic NES
What characters were sporting Ken and Ryu's Gi's designs at the time Street Fighter came out? There was no massive influx of Gi wearing fighters, because there weren't many fighters back in 87'. There's a reason why they are considered the first. A Gi being boring or generic is why we call Ryo rip off.

The characters in Karate Champ were wearing karate gis. In fact, 1p wore white and 2p wore red, which is VERY similar to the first Street Fighter game.

Originally posted by SmashBro
The characters in Karate Champ were wearing karate gis. In fact, 1p wore white and 2p wore red, which is VERY similar to the first Street Fighter game.

Wow you're right. If you look at the cover of the game the white fighter has long blonde hair and the red fighter has short brown hair.

Oh yeah and in Karateka the main character has to stop a villain called Akuma.

Originally posted by BlueTornado
Oh yeah and in Karateka the main character has to stop a villain called Akuma.

Yep, you're right. Heck, even I didn't know that until now.

May be where stupid@ss CapUSA got if from.

Originally posted by BlueTornado
When you call him a ripoff you make it sound like he has nothing but copied stuff from Ryu and Ken. I think you're totally neglecting the other stuff that makes him different.

Originally posted by SmashBro
The characters in Karate Champ were wearing karate gis. In fact, 1p wore white and 2p wore red, which is VERY similar to the first Street Fighter game.

Originally posted by brainchild81
He said Ken & Ryu's gi designs SB. That design featured torn off sleeves. The KC guys had sleeves didn't they?

Yes but why does it matter if they're torn or not? That doesn't mean they're COMPLETELY different.

Originally posted by brainchild81
May be where stupid@ss CapUSA got if from. Take away the stuff he got from Ryu & Ken & you got a faceless naked guy w/like 2 special moves. 😂 He honestly doesn't have enough stuff that makes him different. If he did, I wouldn't call him ripoff. Oh yeah, he'd have that lil' shirt on he wears under the gi. He never shoulda been the hero of the series(that's likely why AOF ain't that well known.) Rob & least has a different enough name & clothes He said Ken & Ryu's gi designs SB. That design featured torn off sleeves. The KC guys had sleeves didn't they?

Just 2 special moves? Let's see. Koouken, Hiensenpuukyaku, zanretsuken, kyokugen punch dance, thunder god's arm, tiger roar punch, extreme limit punch, beer bottle slicer, two handed stab, haoshokoken, ryukou ranbu, ichigeki hisstatsu, and buriki fandango. I'm probably missing a few more.

CORRECTION:
the PLANNER of STREET FIGHTER is the DIRECTOR of ART OF FIGHTING.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNTUNSUvYw&feature=related
the ending credits can be seen here.

Yuri's based of Goukens daughter who happens to look just like Yuri.

-Okay, there both spunky

-Protagonist is a rip off which is why they have similar moves.

-Sakura's moves are different not toned down or comical.

-Who doesn't have a different style within the two schools?

also you didn't respond to the Robert doign the roundhouse and ken magically chaning his moveset according either. like you said...it goes both ways.

-If it goes both ways, then your gonna have to accept that Ryo's rip-off. Never mind that Akuma is based on Gouken.

Sado you still saying that Gouki/Takuma shit? I've worn that list (you had like 6 things @1st) down to like 1 or 2. Coincidence. It's a done deal. Gouki comes from Gouken. You only ripoff people of some sort of importance(like Ryu/Ken & that @sshole Terry). Takuma ain't in that category. He's B list 4life mane. Capcom didn't even put his lame ass in the crossovers. SNK put him in one & it was a failure.

-Does Karate-Ka feature a Gi similar to Ryu I.E. Rip sleeves? Having a Karate Gi isn't the problem, it's having a Gi modeled in a similar fashion with Ryu & Ken amongst many other "similarities".

karateka has a barefooted man in a white karate gi fighting...heck his boss is also called Akuma for pete's sake.

~SADO

Development
Street Fighter was directed by Takashi Nishiyama (who is credited as "Piston Takashi" in the game) and planned by Hiroshi Matsumoto (credited as "Finish Hiroshi"😉, who both previously worked on the overhead beat 'em up Avengers. The two men would leave Capcom after the production of the game and were employed by SNK, developing most of their fighting game series (including sequels to Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting). A strong similarity is evident between Street Fighter and these early SNK fighting games.[1] [2] [3] [4]

also emperor, ryu didn't have torn sleeves in SF1 official art. might want to check that out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_%28video_game%29
check out the poster for the game.

~sado

so now we have:
-aof and sf being inspired by the same animes
-aof being directed by a guy who planned SF
-aof being directed by another guy who directed SF

sheesh.

Roy has 2 moves like Terry, the rest of him is ALL Ken Masters.

Roy is not a rip.