Kenshiro rules, BTW
by the way, have you seen the new movies that have come out for HNK? the redrawn ones that called the "hokuto no ken gaidens"? must see if you haven't seen them already.
YOU HA SHOCK!
~The Bushy Eyebrowed Sado-sama (a la Kenshiro) 😛
Originally posted by Sado22haermm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABddXrh3bNE😆 😂 🤣
Originally posted by Sado22
i meant that if ryu has a "killing art" but doesn't kill with it but no one has a problem with that. but ryo has a "lethal art" and is flamed for being a shirt tearer. unfair. he doesn't kill cuz his art is about as full of hyperbole as ryu's.~Sado
I'm not saying Ryo can't kill, I'm sure he can. But, your claiming that Kyokugen is a killing art with death blows. I don't see what's the point of comparing Kyokugen to a toned down Ansatsuken, unless your advocating that they are both non-lethal?
I'm not saying Ryo can't kill, I'm sure he can. But, your claiming that Kyokugen is a killing art with death blows. I don't see what's the point of comparing Kyokugen to a toned down Ansatsuken, unless your advocating that they are both non-lethal?
~Sado
So, your saying that Kyokugen is non-lethal? Weren't you just debating with brainy whether HK is lethal or not?
both kyokugen and "shotoken" are not lethal since their practitioner holds back or is against killing. neither ryo or ryu are killers or would kill but if pushed far enough CAN resort to killing as both have shown. Ryo in AoF1 and Ryu in SF1.
is that really so hard to follow? 😕
Originally posted by BlueTornadoW/sleeves torn off? The back roll throw, the fireball & the same controller motion for it. Easily mistaken for Ken. Main character w/buddy/rival w/same style. SF 1 Ryu wears armbands. AOF 1 ripoff wears armbands. SF2 Ryu wears gloves. AOF2 ripoff wears gloves.
I still don't get how Ryo is a "ripoff". At least I don't think so. The only similarities I see between Ryo and Ryu, is his name and the uppercut special. I'm not gonna say the clothes since gis have been in fighting games before ryu.
Originally posted by Sado22He has to do one for her titties to pop out.
also we don't know which move ryo did to king or if he even did a special move.
Originally posted by Sado22Heard/read that Gouki realised Gen was sick & decided it wasn't a fair one. Also read that Akuma holds back almost all the time & that Shin Gouki is just Gouki using his true might.
also akuma and gen fought in an all out deathmatch but none of their moves killed the other (i'm talking about the lethal ones that akuma has). why? it's because they are on the same level.
Originally posted by Sado22Not really mane. You have Ryu on your 10 faves list. Terry ain't even in my top 50. & I still @least try not to always assume the worst. & I hope you're not saying you're doing the Ryu hate 'cuz of my Terry hate. My Terry hate is genuine & never comes as retaliation. Ryu's not in my top ten, but even if he was, dissing him or praising him would never have any bearing on my hate towards Terry. It's never been about trying to piss Terry's fans off. I just hate Terry. If you say something like "Rock is the coolest mutha****a ever!!" I'd still be like "Quite possibly, but his mentor is lame as hell." That's just me.
same reason why you love to hate terry mane.
Originally posted by Sado22I posted the pic on page7. She looks like her only concern is that those tig ol' bitties don't expose themselves anymore. Her injuries look minor to be honest. A few scrapes. She looks quite doable btw. 😄 I've done more damage to people w/a regular punch to the face. Hugo wasn't generic. His energy bar was larger then the majority of characters on F.Fight. Ryu was probably surprised for a bit but then went back to wailing on him until Hugo couldn't fight anymore
we have our biases. i never came here claiming to be a saint. also what was pissingoff with ryu's case is that Hugo is a lardass from final fight who wasn't even a boss. he was a generic thug getting mauled through out the game and then comes and withstands ryu's STRONGEST move. at least king is the same tier as ryo and robert. beating her up with a koohken (and by the way she is all busted up too after the thing. it's not that it was only her shirt that tore).
Originally posted by Sado22You answered your on question towards the end of your post. If you see your bro beating your pop's @ss, you'd likely tell him not to do it also. Here's the ripoff's version on SNES. She just tells him to stop.
she said "don't do it brother!" (with the melodrama of course 😆 )
and of course there is the faq i sent to you. and THIS is where i have a problem with you, brain. you never had a problem with the faqs before but you're doubting it now? why? how?
Originally posted by Sado22Look @ this though. The beam malfunctions & it looks like it's not a killa because it only switches Chang/Choi's minds here & they have no injuries after being hit. Seems like an impressive speed/timing feat for Takuma though.
dude, all kof endings are canon since they don't depend on the teams winning the tournament. but of course this doesn't satisfy you so i'll give you proof:
king's winquote to takuma in KoF2001 is "yes, you did save my life but that doesn't matter here!". now where did takuma save king's life? it was in their KoF2000 ending when takuma did the haohshikoken to deflect the zero canon that was about to land on king (that would've f--ked her up a lot worse than clothes tear btw).
Originally posted by Sado22Wasn't 30 feet IMO & 'twas probably the pole the caused the damage 😄
actually yes. on the basis that:
-it wasn't a special
-it was normal ki based punch
-terry was coughing up blood
-terry was launched 30 feet away (and would have flied further hadn't it been for the pole)
Originally posted by Sado22By dumbass CapUSA(the same dikheads who made poision a dude IIRC & triked people into wanting to learn Shotokan to be like Ken & Ryu), not CapJap. Take that off the list too. 😄
brain, i never said he did. i said takuma wore a demon mask and that akuma was then launched AS a demon.
Originally posted by Sado22It's cool. Fvck those movies mane! They were almost as bad as the FF ones & neither is canon. Takuma never says "to the death" & I didn't see ripoff say it either. Here's King again
actually they seem to be insinuating in both the alpha animes that akuma is ryu's father. also takuma and ryo were fighting in a hardfought battle (which whether or not you believe it) was a death match since sNK said it was. i don't see the point of putting logic in it.
at any rate, thanx for being civil. sorry for all the things i said in the past few days, mane. 🙁
Originally posted by brainchild81
W/sleeves torn off? The back roll throw, the fireball & the same controller motion for it. Easily mistaken for Ken. Main character w/buddy/rival w/same style. SF 1 Ryu wears armbands. AOF 1 ripoff wears armbands. SF2 Ryu wears gloves. AOF2 ripoff wears gloves.
Oh wow his sleeves are torn off. Big deal terry has torn sleeves too. Back roll toss? You know how common that move is? Kensou has one too, is he a rip off as well? So he has a fireball move with the same motion. What about andy bogard? Same thing. Hell his fireball is called Hishoken. Sounds like hadouken? His antiair is called Shoryudan. Shoryuken? I looked up street fighter 1. Ryu's wearing half cut off gloves that kinda look like wristbands I guess. Besides he only wore it for 1 game. So what if Ryo wears gloves in aof2? Terry wears gloves as well like ken. Wow I just noticed Terry is american like ken, has long blonde hair like ken, wears red like ken, has a rival who wears white (Ryu/Andy) and they wear gloves! What a ripoff lol.
😂 Come on now. These others you speak of never get called ripoffs 'cuz they don't have a myriad of things in common w/Ryu/Ken like ripoff does. One or two things can be overlooked. ripoff is damn near a clone. You do realize that's why you don't get spoofs of Kensou or Andy or Terry(I hate his guts but I've been saying he's perhaps SNK's most original for a looooooooong time) right? You do know why Capcom made Dan right? Andy's got an energy ball that doesn't leave his palm IIRC. Totally different. None of these guys ripped of the look AND the moves. Seen some art where Ryu's got armbands, but in game screens he had what you said he did. I'll scratch that off. SNK is well known for their original characters ripoff is a stain on that reputation & that's likely why he ain't ever been as popular as Terry, Kyo & most of the other old school SNK heroes and why he's no where near as popular as the guys he was cloned from. He's a disgrace mane. Deal w/it. They can't even decide what color this a$$hole's eyebrows are. Looking like Ken won't make this lame more popular. They should just use him as a punching bag so others can showcase their talent. See: ripoff v. Mignon Bert in KOF:MI Maniax for details.
Originally posted by brainchild81
😂 Come on now. These others you speak of never get called ripoffs 'cuz they don't have a myriad of things in common w/Ryu/Ken like ripoff does. One or two things can be overlooked. ripoff is damn near a clone. You do realize that's why you don't get spoofs of Kensou or Andy or Terry(I hate his guts but I've been saying he's perhaps SNK's most original for a looooooooong time) right? You do know why Capcom made Dan right? Andy's got an energy ball that doesn't leave his palm IIRC. Totally different. None of these guys ripped of the look AND the moves. Seen some art where Ryu's got armbands, but in game screens he had what you said he did. I'll scratch that off. SNK is well known for their original characters ripoff is a stain on that reputation & that's likely why he ain't ever been as popular as Terry, Kyo & most of the other old school SNK heroes and why he's no where near as popular as the guys he was cloned from. He's a disgrace mane. Deal w/it. They can't even decide what color this a$$hole's eyebrows are. Looking like Ken won't make this lame more popular. They should just use him as a punching bag so others can showcase their talent. See: ripoff v. Mignon Bert in KOF:MI Maniax for details.
You'd be surprised. I've heard people call terry bogard (SNK's most original design as you say) a Cody Travers ripoff, Ken Masters ripoff, hell even a ryu ripoff. Haohmaru? I hear people call him "a Ryu with a sword". Capcom only made spoofs of ryo huh? What about Roy Bromwell from rival schools? Yes andy does fire the hishoken from his palm like Ryo. Play Fatal Fury 1 and 2, hell it looks exactly the same! Ryo's not popular at all you say? If he wasn't then how the hell is he still around since 1992? SNK gets rid of characters that aren't popular pretty quickly. If nobody liked Ryo and wasn't popular then SNK would've gotten rid of him before KOF 96' or so.
1.Roy ain't a spoof. Not by a longshot. He's portrayed as a tough guy. Dan ain't because Dan is a spoof. His moves are weak, mocking the ripoff & his lousy style. Capcom has respect for Terry. They'd never spoof him. 2. Don't twist my words around or put words in my mouth. I said he's not as popular as the other old school SNK heroes. & read what I said about andy's move again. It doesn't leave his hand iirc. Or @least it doesn't travel far
Originally posted by brainchild81
1.Roy ain't a spoof. Not by a longshot. He's portrayed as a tough guy. Dan ain't because Dan is a spoof. His moves are weak, mocking the ripoff & his lousy style. Capcom has respect for Terry. They'd never spoof him. 2. Don't twist my words around. I said he's not as popular as the other old school SNK heroes. & read what I said about andy's move again. It doesn't leave his hand iirc. Or @least it doesn't travel far
Fine. Roy ain't a spoof. But he's a ripoff. When you say that Andy's blast doesn't leave his hand do you mean it's not a long range move and it just stays in front of him similar to benimaru's lightning fist?
Originally posted by brainchild81
I can't see why a person would say that Roy's a ripoff, but ripoff isn't. If Roy's a ripoff, ripoff is a bigtime ripoff. Can't have it both ways. Yeah, Andy's is like Beni's IIRC. Not 100% on that though 'cuz I ain't played a FF in years.
The main reason why I don't consider Ryo a "ripoff" is mostly because Ryu and Ken aren't that original honestly. Terry is an original design because no one made a fighting game character like that at the time. While as Ryu and Ken are just kinda boring because they just wear gis and you have to agree that Gis are pretty mainstream in fighting games these days, even back then. Keep in mind that Ryu and Ken do not practice karate, while as Ryo does. My guess is that when SNK was designing Ryo they wanted to make a 2d repersentation of Kyokushin karate, which Kyokugen karate is obviously based off of.
I don't if you've ever seen videos of kyokushin before brainchild, but if you watch you'll notice that there are some key similarities between Kyokugen and Kyokushin. For example Ryo's winpose when he bows
towards the screen and says "osu". Osu is a trademark of Kyokushin. Plus you have the beer bottle slicing minigame from aof1. This is based off of a feat that Mas Oyama the creator of Kyokushin is famous for.
I'd show you some proof since i made a video on youtube about this not too long ago but I can't post links yet heh.
If it means anything the first time that I saw Ryo I did think he was a street fighter character. I was starting to like street fighter and stuff so one day I saw Capcom VS SNK for DC at a flea market. I saw Ryu on the cover and said "hey there's Ryu from street fighter." So I bought it obviously. Now on the drive home I was looking through the instruction book and was checking out the characters and stuff. I didn't know any of the SNK characters, hell back then I thought SNK was pronounced Snick lol. So i saw ryo's pic and thought he was a street fighter character since there were allota SF characters who wore Gis. My cousin who actually studied Kyokushin liked using him since he recognized a lot of kyokushin stuff in him.
SNK did borrow a few things from Ryu and ken and gave it to Ryo I'll admit that, but they also did this to their other characters as well. They're just not as obvious.
He has to do one for her titties to pop out.
Heard/read that Gouki realised Gen was sick & decided it wasn't a fair one. Also read that Akuma holds back almost all the time & that Shin Gouki is just Gouki using his true might
as for gouki and gen....you forget that when facing an opponent in a death match (which was exactly what their fight was since both are looking for a man who can kill them) gouki fights without restrain i.e. Shin Gouki. and their fight lasted quite long....and hence his "killing moves" thing that i mentioned holds don't it?
Not really mane. You have Ryu on your 10 faves list. Terry ain't even in my top 50. & I still @least try not to always assume the worst. & I hope you're not saying you're doing the Ryu hate 'cuz of my Terry hate. My Terry hate is genuine & never comes as retaliation. Ryu's not in my top ten, but even if he was, dissing him or praising him would never have any bearing on my hate towards Terry. It's never been about trying to piss Terry's fans off. I just hate Terry. If you say something like "Rock is the coolest mutha****a ever!!" I'd still be like "Quite possibly, but his mentor is lame as hell." That's just me.
posted the pic on page7. She looks like her only concern is that those tig ol' bitties don't expose themselves anymore. Her injuries look minor to be honest. A few scrapes. She looks quite doable btw. I've done more damage to people w/a regular punch to the face. Hugo wasn't generic. His energy bar was larger then the majority of characters on F.Fight. Ryu was probably surprised for a bit but then went back to wailing on him until Hugo couldn't fight anymore
You answered your on question towards the end of your post. If you see your bro beating your pop's @ss, you'd likely tell him not to do it also. Here's the ripoff's version on SNES. She just tells him to stop.
so you see, my faq still holds.
Look @ this though. The beam malfunctions & it looks like it's not a killa because it only switches Chang/Choi's minds here & they have no injuries after being hit. Seems like an impressive speed/timing feat for Takuma though.
oh and notice that just doing the haohshikoken tore off takuma's gi. imagine what the real thing would've done 😆
Wasn't 30 feet IMO & 'twas probably the pole the caused the damage
It's cool. Fvck those movies mane! They were almost as bad as the FF ones & neither is canon. Takuma never says "to the death" & I didn't see ripoff say it either. Here's King again
takuma didn't say to the death but ryo sure as hell was going to turn him to paste with it.
~Sado
The reason why Ryo is NOT a ryu ripoff is because:
-they belong to games directed by the same guy
-which probably means that they are made by the same guy also
-they are inspired by the same anime (Hokuto no ken)
-while ryu is hokuto no ken's Kenshiro's influenced, Ryo also has parrallels to Goku from dragon ball and Rei, another character frm Hokuto no Ken.
-Ryo has different moves from Ryu. Save for the "koo-ho" (which he does with the leading arm anyway) all of his moves are different. heck ryu has ripped off Ryo on a number of ways (tatsumaki senpukyaku in EX series and his "super fire ball". oh and in case people don't know that, Tiger blow and tiger uppercut are as much shoryuken spoofs as ryo's moves. 😄
having a rich friend? hardly a parrallel. try future brother-in-law, totally different in clothes and style...or how about totally different moves in later games. Heck ken is still doing the same moves as ryu while Robert has totally changed his moves. also while ken did the same moves with EVERY COMMAND in SF2, Robert did different moves with each punch.
so while ken did a jab, a straight, a powerful straight, a fast sidekick, a hard sidekick and a backspin just like Ryu in SF2
Robert was doing different moves and turning backspins to roundhouses. guess who did just that in SF2 turbo. yes boys and girls, ken started doing roundhouses instead of backspins in SSF2T. is that a robert spoof now? 😆
f--ked up logic people. f--ked up logic.
and satisfy me with a "retort" when i saw they were made by the same guy and inspired from the same animes.
~Sado