Originally posted by horrorwolf
Thats correct just as red suns deplete his powers.But my point was that he does deplete his stored energies.
He is not at a point where he doesn't exhaust.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. Red Suns deplete his powers. When has he exausted his powers during a hight speed battle. Which was the original context of discussion. NOt that it matters, he's way faster than BA and BA can't sustain high speed for a long time.
The point was that he does exhaust eventually...and does deplete his stored energies. This point can be made better if the earths sun was destroyed and superman had to fight.
If you remember NightFall the sun went out and it was like somewhere between weeks to a couple of months before superman started to lose power. But he did. He does deplete at an unspecified rate....and will continue to do so until he reaches human status.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
The point was that he does exhaust eventually...and does deplete his stored energies. This point can be made better if the earths sun was destroyed and superman had to fight.If you remember NightFall the sun went out and it was like somewhere between weeks to a couple of months before superman would lstarted to lose power. He does deplete at an unspecified rate....and will continue to do so until he reaches human status.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Every time superman repowers from being depleted, he gets an upgrade. Whos' to say that even applies anymore? The point is, Superman hasn't depleted during a highspeed battle to my knowlege. NOt that it matters, he's at least 5 times faster than BA. And BA doesn't have the skills or reflexes to keep up. And you act as if Superman "depleting" would have any bearing on bLack adam's muscles tearing form trying to keep up highspeed combat.
Point Being.
You may not want it or like it, but as far as we know, regardless of so called "getting upgraded or not" after being tapped, Superman still depletes solar energies and still requires them.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
So prove it.
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Lets look at Marvels powers.
The Wisdom of Solomon, far wiser than Clark.
The Strength of Hercules, legendary but with upgrade after upgrade, Superman would get the edge here.
Stamina of Atlas, the mortal that was so tough he could lift and hold up the world for insane periods of time, I've never heard of Superman actually sustaining such a mass for so long. (maybe while under a blue star)
the Power of Zeus, king of the gods, as we all know, Supes usually sucks vs. Magic (...but of course...maybe he was upgraded AGAIN)
Courage of Achilles (lacks fear or hesitation in battle when necessary)
The speed of Mercury certainly as fast as the Flash or faster according to Mythology.
Then its commonly said that Black Adam could actually be stronger...I dont see Superman winning the majority.
Now.. it is certainly a fact that DC really has been trying to water Cap down to make superman stronger since they gained the ownership of the characters....but certainly he was more powerful initially than Superman....who seem to be the king of upgrades....and every unused power imaginable. But I think Adam is at least Supermans' equal in most respects...without the weaknesses.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Lets look at Marvels powers.The Wisdom of Solomon, far wiser than Clark.
The Strength of Hercules, legendary but with upgrade after upgrade, Superman would get the edge here.
Stamina of Atlas, the mortal that was so tough he could lift and hold up the world for insane periods of time, I've never heard of Superman actually sustaining such a mass for so long. (maybe while under a blue star)
the Power of Zeus, king of the gods, as we all know, Supes usually sucks vs. Magic (...but of course...maybe he was upgraded AGAIN)
Courage of Achilles (lacks fear or hesitation in battle when necessary)
The speed of Mercury certainly as fast as the Flash or faster according to Mythology.Then its commonly said that Black Adam could actually be stronger...I dont see Superman winning the majority.
Now.. it is certainly a fact that DC really has been trying to water Cap down to make superman stronger since they gained the ownership of the characters....but certainly he was more powerful initially than Superman....who seem to be the king of upgrades....and every unused power imaginable. But I think Adam is at least Supermans' equal in most respects...without the weaknesses.
The summary of powers is cute. IT doesn't change the fact that Superman wins more often than not. IF we were going by myth, then Wonder Woman beats Black Adam hands down. She has the strength of Geae herself. And the stamina. The speed of Hermes who is faster than Mercury. Get my drift. Power sets alone do not tell the tale.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The summary of powers is cute. IT doesn't change the fact that Superman wins more often than not. IF we were going by myth, then Wonder Woman beats Black Adam hands down. She has the strength of Geae herself. And the stamina. The speed of Hermes who is faster than Mercury. Get my drift. Power sets alone do not tell the tale.
Powersets are DEFINITELY cute, yet they also are necessary to evaluate a win/lose scenario versus another superhero.
But as we know Superman has been through so many upgrades since Captain Marvel was created that its not even funny....
Superman was created leaping buildings. He did not originally fly. Captain Marvel when he was created a year later has his CURRENT powerset and it has remained...and if anything been weakenly by DC. Only after Marvel came along with the powers of Gods did Superman start flying and shooting lasers from his eyes.
Back on topic...BA should be equal to Superman...but DC won't allow it, as they were jealous and obviously highly threatened by the Shazam characters.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Similar to how Wonderwoman was killed and resurrected by Zeus to make her stronger.and the whole Doomsday Superman fiasco...
That was upgrade number two for Diana. I believe she may have gotten one more after circe turned her other form human. She was shocked that the blade cut her. Before, She would have been cut by a blade as she had piercing and cutting weakness.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That was upgrade number two for Diana. I believe she may have gotten one more after circe turned her other form human. She was shocked that the blade cut her. Before, She would have been cut by a blade as she had piercing and cutting weakness.
I know, it was just an example for character pumping that is currently killing comics.
Our character sucks so we will re-invent them. Thus making any debate like this pretty much pointless.
There is absolutely no way to determine if WW would win in a toe to toe battle with Black Adam unless some writer at DC did, and I'm pretty sure Black Adam would probably job just like DS usually does.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
I know, it was just an example for character pumping.Our character sucks so we will re-invent them. Thus making any debate like this pretty much pointless.
There is absolutely no way to determine if WW would win in a toe to toe battle with Black Adam unless some writer at DC did, and I'm pretty sure Black Adam would probably job just like DS usually does.
So if she gets a legitmate win or stalemates him then BA is jobbing?
So the fights against:
Zoom
Kid Amazo
Primaid
Daxamite
Etrigan
Supergirl
Power Girl
Martian Manhunter
Captain Atom
Sinestro Corps Members
Doomsday Clone
Evil Flash
Sun Amped Superman
Superman Doomsday thing
Vampire Superman
Super Woman
Captain Nazi
Mean what? That everyone was just jobbering to Wonder Woman and she really is like a streel lvl brawler who happened to two a third of the earth against Magic and the sun?
Its just my opinion. Leave it if you wish.
But BA is believed to be > Captain Marvel
and Marvel = Superman...but magically endowed instead of nature.
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If you think WW can take Superman thats on you.
