Phoenix Respect Thread Remastered. (V. 20)

So I will highlight some claims, and address the issue briefly, and then go in full detail.
Here Comes Tomorrow Took Place in reality 15104 in its entirety.
No I strongly disagree, reasons why:
Issue 150 specifies 150 years later (not reality15104).
There is only ONE White Phoenix of the Crown. And she died in 616 universe, in HCT 616 Jean is brought back.
We have NO record of 616 Jean body being moved around through realities.
Its 616 Cyclops that decision that incites HCT, and later diverts HCT

Jean manifested what she just amputated the future of a reality.
No this is Completely False, reasons why:
Amputation and treatment took place in a single panel.
Next Panel, it's asked and verified that she is already holdings the future of a reality.
It follows, with 616 Jean deciding that his friends do not deserve to end this way.
Comic depicts a manifestation of a “Universe” not the Future of a reality.
Its through that universe that she manipulates (present time) 616 Scott.

The Universe Jean manifested was not reality 616, but reality 15104.
That is completely wrong.
616 Scott resides within the universe she manifested.
616 Jean, manipulates 616 Scott through the universe she manifested.

What Jean Held was a Baby Universe or a Universe with 150 years of history?!?
lol, yeah sounds silly and it is but it not true.
No comic, bio, nor the Author has ever addressed the Universe Jean held in such manner EVER.
Comic Book states: It lost its parents when it broke unity across the Megasystems
Comic Book states: A badly wounded orphan universe.
Don’t worry, it sounds complicated but it really isn’t. I will go in detail.

It Took 7 pages of prep to perform an amputation of a future reality.
Na UH. It took two pages.
Amputation did not take place until, Jean came to her senses, and re-establish her link with the PF.
Once a ware of the situation, and with her PF powers. She proceeds to amputate the future of a reality.
She also manifested an entire universe in one page. >_<

What happens when Cyclops embedded with the Phoenix Force takes on Darksied?
X-Men/Teen Titans

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Excalibur: Weird War 3
This special takes place after Excalibur v1 #10
Phoenix is unexpectedly responsible for the unification of two separate realties merging into one. Eventually Phoenix restores cosmic balance segregating those two worlds. Or more like stops the unification, and reverts it back to original state.

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Phoenix Force a Multiversal Power.
Ok some of you remember, how Cube beings or even Odin in the mist of a fight effected the multiverse in one form or another (Please correct me on Odin, if I am wrong). And according to Kubic for all its omnipotent powers, Celestials simply operate on a higher level's of Omnipotence beyond him.

Well I am not sure about many of you, but I regard Phoenix above a Celestial. Its exact ranking, is not really an issue (that’s more or less an opinion of mine and yours). And I really hate ABC logic, like the one stated by Kubic or matching up characters to lesser beings who show grander displays. So I am going to disregard Kubic comments, and restrain from quantifying Odin feat. Regardless, the other cosmics (Death, Eternity, The Watcher) Regard Phoenix as a Primal Force of the Universe, through comic book Narration it has bin regarded as the Ultimate Primal Force.

Lets Begin with the first piece of evidence. M’Kran Crystal.
U. X-Men #108
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Originally it was a Neutron Galaxy and the treat of its energy release would reek the destruction of the universe. However this has bin retconed as the Nexus of Realties and its devastation threaten the entire Multiverse.[ AoA scan.] Yes she had help, her team mates life force not only help her anchor herself, but the spiritual support kept her motivated to endure. And a mighty task, since she needed to re-energize and nit the Lattice Fields. In case nobody noticed, the Latice Fields are composed of anti-energy that keeps the Multiversal energies of the M”Kran crystal at bay. Naturally the Phoenix was going to suffer from exposing herself to the Lattice Fields.

Excalibur: Weird War 3
This special takes place after Excalibur v1 #10

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When Rachael traveled to another reality and back. It left a funnel open between the two realities. What we see shortly after, are two worlds merging into one. The Phoenix goes on, restore the two worlds and close the funnel.

Excalibur v1 #14
In another Earth, Impossible Man created a silly version of 616 Earth. Galactus come over and decides that these actions are a threat to the entire Omniverse. Before he leaves, Galactus remarks that Impossible Man is almost as big as a threat as the Phoenix.


Excalibur v1 #50
The Phoenix uses its power, to project the tower across the Multiverse.

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New X-Men #154
As you may know, the Phoenix’(s), has accesses to their own dimension outside space/time/reality. The White Hot Room. Within the WHR various activities takes place but its mostly referred as Phoenix Work. Well here is one of the more bigger jobs that took place. Phoenix can amputate the future of an entire reality and atomically control that structure.[ New X-Men #154 page 20, panel one.]

But wait, it gets better, we also get to see the manifestation of the rest of 616 Universe, and like the comic states. Total Atomic Control through Telekinesis. [ #154 page 21]

So yes in HCT you see, how the Phoenix interacted with the 616 universe, that lead to the creation of reality 15104.

What If: The X-Men Lost Inferno
Some of you may debunk this because it’s a non cannon material to the 616 continuality. But you have to keep in mind it is part of Marvel continuality, and the M Body of the LT, is the same LT being projected across the Multiverse.

Anyhow, narration comments that Phoenix with a Host is much to much danger to the Multiverse.

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What If X-Men: Rise and Fall of the Shi’Ar Empire
Again some of you may dismiss this like the above. However you if follow marvel mythos, The White Hoot Room, is the center point the meeting place to the door way that is M’Kran Crystal. Any how its hinted that Vulcan gains the Phoenix Force, and goes on to lay waste the rest of the Phoenix Corps.
What's interesting is the endings, it was Jean who appeared at the end. It was Jean who acted out as the Phoenix Conscious. It was Jean who held back its powers against her friends and family. And it was Jean who initially granted Vulcan the Phoenix powers. And Jean is wearing the infamous white garment.

If we follow the Phoenix mythos, there is only one White Phoenix of the Crown. And at the time of this What IF, WPotC was in the White Hoot Room. So it serves to show that once again, a Phoenix is capable of destroying a Universe (it didn’t come to that), easily obliterating opposition (Shi’Ar Empire, Annihilation Wave, the Kree, Galaxies etc..). But the most interesting is, re-affirming that WPotC holds over the rest of the Phoenix Avatar’s.

Yay I got the Dark Phoenix Saga collection today....which means I can post pics of DP in all her terrifying glory. 😈

A question was once asked. Did the Phoenix pre-exsist prior to the current Universe? I had no real backing to say it did. However I came across this bio:

Annihilation - Nova Corps Files

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I will let you make your own conclusion

X-Men: Emperor Vulcan #5

Rachel wielding reminiscing energies of the Phoenix Force, fights Gladiator to a stand still.

Originally posted by id369
[B]X-Men: Emperor Vulcan #5

Rachel wielding reminiscing energies of the Phoenix Force, fights Gladiator to a stand still.
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this was awsome do they fight again in the issue

Originally posted by jasofisc
this was awsome do they fight again in the issue

No they dont, thats all the action we get. 🙁

Age of Apocalypse
X-Men - Age of Apocalypse One-Shot #01
I think you all remember, how AoA was about to end? The bombs where to about to decend effectively wipe out the city where the resistance against took place? Or that with bishops actions AoA timeline was never going to be?


X-Men - Age of Apocalypse 05
Well take a look at what happened to the bombs

X-Men - Age of Apocalypse 06
Well, Jean not only stopped and reverted the explosion/contained the explosion. She saved the entire time line from being erased. And you thought she can only control an entire time line within the White Hot Room.
Bam….I mean BAM!

Ok this one leaves me a bit, confused. Ultimate Jean/Phoenix either:
A) Restores everything.
B) Turns back time, prior to the decimation lead by the encounter with Apocalypse.

Anyhow it takes place in Ultimate X-Men #93

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Originally posted by id369
Ok this one leaves me a bit, confused. Ultimate Jean/Phoenix either:
A) Restores everything.
B) Turns back time, prior to the decimation lead by the encounter with Apocalypse.

Anyhow it takes place in Ultimate X-Men #93

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I don't think she turns back time, she resets the world. Restores everything, erases memories from everyone, only X-Men have their memories.

Awesome job everybody 👆

This is quite good.

A few revelations.

She is named for the Bird of Fire…That fabled creature out of legend, par and parcel of mythology of every planet which ever spawned a sentient race.

All Speak of the moment, after Genesis when fire scorched the Heavens, bringing light to what had been infinite darkness and scattering the firmament with life.

This creature was the embodiment of that moment, and that wondrous, transcendent act. She is the passion of creation. And well of destruction.

She represents the beginning and the ultimate end. For she is believed to be the fire that will consume that last remnants of existence. The by setting the stage for the next great turn of endless wheel f beginning.

From the ashes of that conflagration will burst forth a new dawn, a new reality.

She was born Rachael Anne Summers but she is far better known as Phoenix.

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Here is another good piece of information. It establishes that Jean in the Dark Phoenix arc, only manifested a small portion of her full potential.

While Rachael in her clash with Shadow King, are tearing asunder the boundaries of reality witnessing the forces that can reshape creation.

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And here is a direct explanation as to why weak moments exist.

You cannot win. The power you wield may be as ancient as the stars…but the life of this corporal incarnation, this avatar has barely begun. At this point in your existence, you are limited in your perception as in your capabilities.

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I love the thread but Iwas wondering is there anyway if it's not too much trouble you could post some feats for Jean sans the phoenix. Because the truth is I'm not up on allthe things Jean has done like when she fought sabertooth or dueled Psylocke and manifested two psi blade, see stuff like that I think would be cool to see if you didn't mind.

Originally posted by celestialbodies
I love the thread but Iwas wondering is there anyway if it's not too much trouble you could post some feats for Jean sans the phoenix. Because the truth is I'm not up on allthe things Jean has done like when she fought sabertooth or dueled Psylocke and manifested two psi blade, see stuff like that I think would be cool to see if you didn't mind.