Master of the Living Force

Okay really open foum here. Now, don't take any books or comics into consideration here. We've all learnt that Qui-Gon is the now-master of the Living Force. Well, he was and then trained Yoda and Obi-Wan to do as he did, so there may have been more. But, if it is true he had a chance to train his former allies, then how did he manage it. Through spiritual communication, or was he actually still alive, and through gaining his knowledge of the living force able to do the impossible and undo the effect of death. So what are your thoughts? How did he do it? Where was he? Please share your opinions.

And how exactly do you think to discuss this without bringing EU into this? There are no canon sources to substantiate any claims or points of view...

Ok, so maybe there aren't hundreds of sources, but thats why this is so open. If we are taking that the whole thing you ca base your opinions on is the mvies then you really can have opinions. So, all you have to base your opinions on is Yoda was meditating whilst talking to the maser at the end of RotS, then him saying to Obi-Wan it was him, and telling Obi-Wan he would become Qui-Gon's apprentice too. That's a good thing 😄

And if you mean because people will disagree, i'm not doing this so anybody can be right. Just want to know what people's opinions are, they don't have to prove or disprove anything

It is already EU..."Qui-Gon is the now-master of the Living Force."

Oh really? Show me in any movie (SW) where this is said.

That'd been my next point. That already is an EU statement.

So...closing?

oh god, k close, but can i make another thread like this, and reword the opening, would that be ok?

I can just add a question mark to it.

But I think you need to clarify the point you wish to debate a little better.

This thread is dead.

Originally posted by General G
It is already EU..."Qui-Gon is the now-master of the Living Force."

Oh really? Show me in any movie (SW) where this is said.

Originally posted by queeq
That'd been my next point. That already is an EU statement.

How exactly is that an EU statement? The living force is a Movie concept, and the statement is an opinion based off of Movie material.

Well it wasn't stated as an opinion.

Are you done nitpicking?

That's not nitpicking, that's fundamental to the issue of where this thread is going to go. Now make a meaningful contribution or stay out of it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That's not nitpicking, that's fundamental to the issue of where this thread is going to go. Now make a meaningful contribution or stay out of it.

Firstly, you didn't respond to what the thread was asking, you responded to me. Whether or not you nitpicked would be dependant on the point I was making, not the overall tone of the thread.

Secondly, you countered a minor aspect of what I was saying, that didn't detract from the point I was making in any way. That's what you'd call nitpicking.

I was commenting on what you mentioned, NOT what I originally said, as should have been obvious. The point that it was stated as fact and not opinion is, exactly as I said, very relevant to the point of the continuance of the thread, because it is NOT a fact in film canon. Even what I said about adding the question mark to the title is absolutely and 100% about that point being an opinion and not a fact.

So as I say- post something useful, or stop posting at all.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I was commenting on what you mentioned, NOT what I originally said, as should have been obvious.

Not exactly seeing where I disagreed with that.

NateGreySummers: Firstly, you didn't respond to what the thread was asking, you responded to me.

I quite clearly acknowledged exactly what you were responding to.

The point that it was stated as fact and not opinion is, exactly as I said, very relevant to the point of the continuance of the thread, because it is NOT a fact in film canon. Even what I said about adding the question mark to the title is absolutely and 100% about that point being an opinion and not a fact.

It was an opinion (based on the G-Canon movies) stated as fact. Nothing to do with the EU. That would be like you saying "the film portrays Yoda as the sexiest Jedi in the saga" and me labelling that an EU statement. Like what that other dude said, it's no more supported in the EU than it is in the movies, and is still an opinion, no matter how it's presented, based off of the movies.

Not to mention, you're still trying to argue the fact that you nitpicked at my post by supporting it's relevance to the thread, which is beyond asinine.

So as I say- post something useful, or stop posting at all. [/B]

Ditto.

Ok, this is just not getting through your head. Last time on this.

First, it was NOT nit picking. And your respone to me responding to your comment was brainless. Yes, I know you said that I was responding to you. My point was that I was responding yo you in an entirely important and appro[riate way, NOT nitpicking.

My response to your post was VERY relevant indeed to the point under discussion- the idea about QGJ stated as fact. Despite all your babble above, it WAS stated as a fact- "We've all learnt that Qui-Gon is the now-master of the Living Force". It was, in fact, VERY important that it be made clear that this was an opinion. I frankly don't care what you think about that, that is what has been decided by both mods- that the statement was not a film canon one. Basing a thread of a falsely stated fact is a mistake. I was pointing out that it was wrong of you to take issue with what queeq said.

Secondly, I'm the mod, not you. You don't tell me what to post or not post. Do that again and you will receive a warning.

Get this on topic right now.

*holds finger over closing button* 😉

Point is, Nate, there's no canon source saying that QGJ is a master of the LIving Force. There's not even a canon possibility that there is such a thing as a master of the living force. So if that doesn't exist canonwise, what is there to debate? That's what we want you to clarify.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ok, this is just not getting through your head. Last time on this.

Calm down. No need to get angry.

First, it was NOT nit picking.

Yes, it was. The point I was making was that it wasn't an EU comment. I could care less for whether or not it was an opinion or not, it had nothing to do with my point, and my careless addition of the word "opinion" was what you attacked. You were nitpicking.

And your respone to me responding to your comment was brainless. Yes, I know you said that I was responding to you. My point was that I was responding yo you in an entirely important and appro[riate way, NOT nitpicking.

This is just plain gibberish.

You: I was commenting on what you mentioned, NOT what I originally said, as should have been obvious.

This, for anyone who possesses an ounce of sense, should make it clear that you're talking [bypass censor]bullsh1t[/bypass censor].

My response to your post was VERY relevant indeed to the point under discussion-

Good Lord, how long will it take for you to get this?

To argue that you weren't nitpicking at the point I was making, you'd have to analyse the significance of what you replied to in respect to the point I was making. Yet you continue trying to argue that your point had any semblance of significance in respect to the overall thread discussion. It makes you look silly.

the idea about QGJ stated as fact. Despite all your babble above, it WAS stated as a fact-

NateGreySummers: It was an opinion (based on the G-Canon movies) stated as fact.

Do I hear an echo?

"We've all learnt that Qui-Gon is the now-master of the Living Force". It was, in fact, VERY important that it be made clear that this was an opinion.

Not important in respect to the point I was making.

I frankly don't care what you think about that,

Which is why you're still here, posting, after failing to make a point.

that is what has been decided by both mods- that the statement was not a film canon one.

Appeal to authority?

Basing a thread of a falsely stated fact is a mistake. I was pointing out that it was wrong of you to take issue with what queeq said.

I was taking issue with the fact that Queeq labelled it an EU statement. I was not taking issue with the idea that a falsely stated fact is a mistake.

You arguing this has been one giant nitpick.

It was an opinion based on the movies, stated as a fact. Just because it's not an actual fact within the movies, it was still quite clearly supported by the movies.

My original point: QGF was not making an EU statement.

So, it looks like I'm right, and you failed to respond to the essential point I was making, but rather nitpicked like a moron.

Secondly, I'm the mod, not you. You don't tell me what to post or not post. Do that again and you will receive a warning.

Stop posting... Now.

Get this on topic right now.

Snap!