Scarlet Witch Vs Mr. Mxyzptlk

Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok then, I guess my question is this. You have a universe, if you add another, it's a multiverse. At what point does a multiverse become an omniverse?

By definition an Omniverse a totality of all universes and alternate realities. Among every dimension, etc... Which Mxy destroyed.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He destroyed every reality/Universe DC had. As Galan pointed out before, Mxy stated "This" Multiverse, meaning plural. He messed up more than one multiverse and at the end destroyed and recreated everything with a snap. More impressive than Wanda, IMO.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok then, I guess my question is this. You have a universe, if you add another, it's a multiverse. At what point does a multiverse become an omniverse?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So you don't actually have proof that he messed up more than one multiverse, but are going by faith? Good to know.

An omniverse is, in comic book theory, an infinity of multiverses/megaverses.

Has she displayed that scale of power outside that arc?

Mxy wins.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has she displayed that scale of power outside that arc?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
HoM Wanda altered reality on an omniversal scale, which actually trumps the feats of everymost Abstract level beings in comics.

Trying to claim that Mxy is anywhere near the Wanda's HoM levels of power, is retarded at best.

the omniverse definition differs, in LT's handbook it is stated that it encompasses megaverses, in quasar it's defined as being a continuum of multiverses, and basically every issue in new exiles defines the omniverse as being all possible universes.

in any case, it is definitely bigger than the multiverse, because we have universe like earth shadowline being outside the mutliverse, 2005 handbook:

http://i.imgur.com/5njhq1p.jpg?1

that's just one example, there's more.

mxy did destroy dc and rearrange it with a snap of fingers, that's true, but we also have wanda affect the entire omniverse with 3 words, avengers: children's crusade #6:

http://i.imgur.com/UJNblWj.jpg

btw that makes sense considering the core continuum designation numbers all earths throughout the omniverse (not just the multiverse), spiderman back in black

http://i.imgur.com/ANseCBk.jpg?1

and if we take into consideration what was shown in uncanny x-men #491, this would be at a completely ridiculous level.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mxy feats in WF beats every feat Wanda has done. He has casually destroyed PC era, destroyed the multiverses numerous of times.

On a sidenote, I suggest that you go and read House of M, before posting such bullshit next time.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So, apart from yelling "No! My guy is better than your gal!" you don't actually have any proof to suggest that Wanda's real omniversal scale performance is less than Mxy's make-believe one? I figured as much.

On a sidenote, I suggest that you go and read House of M, before posting such bullshit next time.

The Elseworlds, regular DCU, COIE, and DCA were all multiverses. Which Mxy destroyed.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I've read it a while back, just because someone hada different core doesn't mean their didmt read it.
And if you take a look at the mxy thread, the feats i said weren't make believe

Originally posted by operator616
the omniverse definition differs, in LT's handbook it is stated that it encompasses megaverses, in quasar it's defined as being a continuum of multiverses, and basically every issue in new exiles defines the omniverse as being all possible universes.

in any case, it is definitely bigger than the multiverse, because we have universe like earth shadowline being outside the mutliverse, 2005 handbook:

http://i.imgur.com/5njhq1p.jpg?1

that's just one example, there's more.

mxy did destroy dc and rearrange it with a snap of fingers, that's true, but we also have wanda affect the entire omniverse with 3 words, avengers: children's crusade #6:

http://i.imgur.com/UJNblWj.jpg

btw that makes sense considering the core continuum designation numbers all earths throughout the omniverse (not just the multiverse), spiderman back in black

http://i.imgur.com/ANseCBk.jpg?1

and if we take into consideration what was shown in uncanny x-men #491, this would be at a completely ridiculous level.

Who do you see winning here?

Mxy ftw

Aren't there even more powerful beings than Mxy in DC, beings in even higher dimensions (6th, Mxy is from 5th dimension). That means when Mxy did his beast feat, he did it for all lower beings than him, higher were untouched by his feat (higher dimensions were untouched)?.

Every being and energy and dimensions in Marvel succumbed to Wanda when she was on rampage.

And what Mxy does in comic and talking to us, Impossible Man in Marvel does the same thing and he is lower than HOM Wanda.

In any case, Mxy doesn't have a better feat than Wanda, probably quite the contrary.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Aren't there even more powerful beings than Mxy in DC, beings in even higher dimensions (6th, Mxy is from 5th dimension). That means when Mxy did his beast feat, he did it for all lower beings than him, higher were untouched by his feat (higher dimensions were untouched)?.

Every being and energy and dimensions in Marvel succumbed to Wanda when she was on rampage.

And what Mxy does in comic and talking to us, Impossible Man in Marvel does the same thing and he is lower than HOM Wanda.

In any case, Mxy doesn't have a better feat than Wanda, probably quite the contrary.

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mxy destroyed all the numbered dimensions even the ones with fractions (with a second) and that was 30 pages before he wiped out everything:

http://i.imgur.com/Mtm7xop.jpg

it's an insane feat, considering what dimensions in DC are supposed to be.

@golgo13:

i was replying in regards to your comment when you said that mxy recreated dc with a snap of fingers, im even putting the chaos wave aside.

Also, mxy destroyed more than that, vertigo is a multiverse, lucifer #37

http://i.imgur.com/qYnOJ1z.jpg

each mirror resembles a universe, and how many mirrors are there? see for yourself

http://i.imgur.com/H7UopQl.jpg

this is also confirmed when we see an alternate version of cal, lucifer #39

http://i.imgur.com/95E4goS.jpg

don't forget that mxy also destroyed the 4th world, which has been pointed out to you before, is bigger than the multiverse (let me know if you need the scans in case you don't find them)

though you have to remember that marvel has countless multiverses, mutant-x #32

http://i.imgur.com/TzEl7En.jpg

and the multiverses (if we go by specific definitions, there are other definitions who contradict this, though it's the one i personally prefer) are located within megaverses:

LT's 2006 bio

http://i.imgur.com/TPSomFH.jpg?1

2005 handbook (both of them, already showed you the second one)

http://i.imgur.com/cldF2nP.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/5njhq1p.jpg?1

2007 handbook:

http://i.imgur.com/4GMWE1e.jpg?1

and like i said before, if we take into consideration what appeared in uncanny x-men #491 it would be ridiculous:

http://i.imgur.com/nmvbjBr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YIOnJkU.jpg

all of reality according to context (what was stated in children's crusade #6, which i already posted) is the omniverse.

so you can judge for yourself, personally i see wanda taking this.

Lol, I've probably proven that Mxy destroyed infinitely more than a single multiverse a few dozen times(not joking.) Despite my efforts, several people always seem to act oblivious to the scale of Mxy's feats in WF, until I shut them up with scans.

You are doing a good job though, operator616. Keep it up. 👆

Mxy wins

Just so people can see plainly the images I was asking for in the "Dr. Manhattan invades Marvel" thread as it basically turned into this conversation and i find it very interesting:

And then later:

It seems implied that her feat could have been "omniversal," but it's not nearly as certain

First, there's no need for over-inflated scans that mess up the page good friend.

But that aside. Beast is talking about de-powering mutants specifically.

But you must've overlooked the Strange scene you just posted

where he declares at the end her:

"Magic is woven through Everything. Welded to ALL There is"

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Also, aside from the original HOM showings which showcase her power (chaos wave)
crashing into Otherworld, after sweeping several realities,
it bashed down the Starlight Citadel, which contains an Omniversal Nexus.
This caused all the realitieS connected to such to blend together as one,
later tearing all of them to bits as Roma warned.

Except for Otherworld, 616 which was engulfed in Wanda's warp when she altered the Earth,
and the "Ascension." (God?)
I also believe initially realms outside omniversal space-time were untouched like the WHR,
but in Roma's warning no dimension was safe.

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Anyway almost 2 years later, in Die by the Sword,
we learned what was obvious from HOM.

Her power that spilt out of 616 (chaos wave) tore the Omniverse to pieces,
and then it reverted itself and put everything back. 👆

Of course, her power wasn't sentient so it wasn't going to remodel the Omniverse itself,
NO,
this was when Wanda uttered: "no more mutants."

Which was meant to put everything back to normality, with the exception of many mutants.

So in that uttered thought, she reverted 58163 back into 616,
and she restructured the Omniverse back to what it was before her power warped it.