Scarlet Witch Vs Mr. Mxyzptlk

Originally posted by Mr Master
First, there's no need for over-inflated scans that mess up the page good friend.

But that aside. Beast is talking about de-powering mutants specifically.

But you must've overlooked the Strange scene you just posted

where he declares at the end her:

"[b]Magic is woven through Everything. Welded to ALL There is"

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Also, aside from the original HOM showings which showcase her power (chaos wave)
crashing into Otherworld, after sweeping several realities,
it bashed down the Starlight Citadel, which contains an Omniversal Nexus.
This caused all the realitieS connected to such to blend together as one,
later tearing all of them to bits as Roma warned.

Except for Otherworld, 616 which was engulfed in Wanda's warp when she altered the Earth,
and the "Ascension." (God?)
I also believe initially realms outside omniversal space-time were untouched like the WHR,
but in Roma's warning no dimension was safe.

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Anyway almost 2 years later, in Die by the Sword,
we learned what was obvious from HOM.

Her power that spilt out of 616 (chaos wave) tore the Omniverse to pieces,
and then it reverted itself and put everything back. 👆

Of course, her power wasn't sentient so it wasn't going to remodel the Omniverse itself,
NO,
this was when Wanda uttered: "no more mutants."

Which was meant to put everything back to normality, with the exception of many mutants.

So in that uttered thought, she reverted 58163 back into 616,
and she restructured the Omniverse back to what it was before her power warped it. [/B]

My bad I don't know how to make em smaller. I'll look it up next time. Anyway, I saw Strange reference "everything"and then Beast derive from that, that it "possibly" affected the "Omniverse"

I believe it may actually be the Die By the Sword development that people may have been referencing, which I have been asking to see. Do you recall which issue by any chance?

Originally posted by Quick Freeze

I saw Strange reference "everything"and then Beast derive from that, that it "possibly" affected the "Omniverse"

She definitely affected the entire Omniverse because it was torn to bits,

and someone had to fix that mess. Again, her power (chaos wave is NOT alive)

so undoubtedly, when Wanda lets loose her final spell
which was specifically designed to Put Everything Back her power affected.

It was her who put everything back,
since her conscious-less power was not gonna act out of its own volition.

Originally posted by Quick Freeze

I believe it may actually be the Die By the Sword development

That's the detail that the haters are missing, or purposely ignoring lol.

They continue to focus on the Mutant de-powering
but forget about Spatial-Temporal warping on an Omniversal scale
that needed to be remade/fixed at the end.

the chaos wave that she had no control of you mean? lol

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the chaos wave that she had no control of you mean? lol

Hey but still! They state that it happened plain and simple. One might say the story is more interesting when the character wielding the most power in the history of it's company doesn't have emotional control over it, rather than an impish cartoon being able to just snap everything back and forth into existence.

It's too bad Bendis retconned that to not being the actual feat or whatever

yep it was retconned either way. some would like to ignore the retcons but they stand regardless😄

Originally posted by Quick Freeze

Hey but still! They state that it happened plain and simple.

One might say the story is more interesting when the character
wielding the most power in the history of it's company doesn't have
emotional control over it

But that's not what I've been detailing friend now is it?
No, I've been focusing on her REVERTING Everything Back to normal.

Reverting what exactly? An Omniverse torn to bits. Oh, I see.

That's absolute meticulous control on an Omniversal scale concerning space-time.

Seriously, the mutant de-powering is a joke in comparison. 👆

I'm honestly having trouble wrapping my head around how one even "retcons an omniversal feat" as it should have affected all space and time but really I'm just procrastinating for a huge exam I should be studying for

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, it's true her power was simply pouring out of 616 without her knowledge
crashing everything it came across in the Omniverse.

But that's not what I've been detailing friend now is it?
No, I've been focusing [b]on her REVERTING Everything Back to normal.

Reverting what exactly? An Omniverse torn to bits. Oh, I see.

That's absolute meticulous control on an Omniversal scale concerning space-time.

Seriously, the mutant de-powering is a joke in comparison. 👆 [/B]

Wait when did she do that??

because it was never omniversal in the first place per the retcon.

Originally posted by Quick Freeze

I'm honestly having trouble wrapping my head around how one even "retcons an omniversal feat"

as it should have affected all space and time

It's not a big deal since here in KMC

if the OP specifies a Pre-retcon version of the character,

we can use their PRE-retcon feats. 👆

So "HOM" Wanda is the Pre-retcon version of "Children Crusades" Wanda.

Originally posted by Quick Freeze

Wait when did she do that??

My friend, I explained all of this in precise detail. in the posts you've been replying to.

you really dont get it.

hom wanda IS childrens crusade wanda. same character. the retcon affects her across the board. per that retcon wandas feat in hom was NEVER omniversal. far from it.

good try trying to tweak the rules to suit you though👆

yeah... the title did not say pre-retcon HOM Wanda so....

LMAO I'm not arguing with anyone and I STILL concede

*throws towel*

I'll be back after a couple hours of exam study and maybe when I get through the subtle differences between specific psychotic disorders I'll understand this sh*t better

Originally posted by MrMind
yeah... the title did not say pre-retcon HOM Wanda so....

as far as comics are concerned there are no "pre retcon" characters. there is only the characters as they CURRENTLY are. using pre retcon characters on battleboards is just a way for desperate fanboys to make their pet characters seem stronger then they are in canon. so sad lol

@MrMind: Yeesh, we're discussing an off-topic subject right now.

Can we live?

OTHER members were arguing about this too, did you pitch in your frustration with them?

Of course not, at this point you've developed a purpose.

Are you going to also (like King Troll) start chasing me into threads
to throw a clueless jab at my post any chance u get?

You keep making a fool of yourself,
you should really think things through before coming at me again.

I'll give ya another chance at seriousness,
cause I still believe in my heart you're not a troll, like King Troll is,
but you're worrying me.

Still here. In the third post, the thread's creator specified this is "House of M" Wanda, who at the time was believed to have achieved a multiverse-spanning feat.

Then 2 years later, it was explained that she also rebuilt the omniverse.

Then in like 2015 Bendis said it was only 616.

Is this a retcon? A disagreement between different comic writers? Is this open to interpretation like the bible? Am I missing something?

ya thats a retcon.

in comics newer info trumps older info.

Ok so. Just for argument's sake, before the 2015 AvX retcon, but AFTER the DBTS development Mr. Master posted, in that 5-10 year sweet spot, Wanda had the arguably the biggest feat in the history of Marvel?

EDIT:

Also, in what issue was it actually retconned. I see in Uncanny X-men #13 by Kieron Gillen the UNIT tells the Lights that "No more mutants" made Phoenix angry. Is that what this is all based on? Or is there something else?

Was the retcon under the same writer?

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
Also, in what issue was it actually retconned. I see in Uncanny X-men #13 by Kieron Gillen the UNIT tells the Lights that "No more mutants" made Phoenix angry. Is that what this is all based on? Or is there something else?

Another example:
https://i.imgur.com/tZI2W8U.jpg

And another:
https://i.imgur.com/4RiMVny.jpg

Per that retcon, Wanda was unable to control the power she released during HoM. She essentially just unleashed said power in a moment of "psychological instability", with a relatively simplistic motive/directive in place(ie. "No more Mutants"😉.... And whatever happened after that, happened(collaterally speaking.) She didn't at all intend for the omniverse to get warped or w/e.

*Also note that the power she was channeling there was NOT her own; it was the Life Force(a power she was only able to access in the first place thanks to help from Doom.)

Personally, I liked this retcon because it helped explain how Wanda was able to preform feats that were way beyond what she had ever displayed beforehand. In fact, without this added context, Wanda being able to preform universal/multiversal/omniversal feats makes absolutely no sense, imo. She never operated at a scale remotely close to that before HoM, nor has she done so since. Children's Crusade just fleshed out *how* she randomly became that powerful.

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The second retcon(the one implying that her warp was only global, and that Wanda herself was maybe Phoenix-level) happened in Avengers vs. X-Men.