Originally posted by Galan007next response- "i dont care about these trivial retcons!!!!!! this is HOM wanda not childrens crusade wanda!!!!!!!!"
It was first retconned in Children's Crusade. Wanda's warp was still kept at potentially omniversal in scope, but we learned that her own power was not responsible for it, nor could she explicitly control it:
https://i.imgur.com/ZBf1vsL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LKoYJJX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6GYjaLa.jpgAnother example:
https://i.imgur.com/tZI2W8U.jpgAnd another:
https://i.imgur.com/4RiMVny.jpgPer that retcon, Wanda was unable to control the power she released during HoM. She essentially just unleashed said power in a moment of "psychological instability", with a relatively simplistic motive/directive in place(ie. "No more Mutants"😉.... And whatever happened after that, happened(collaterally speaking.) She didn't at all intend for the omniverse to get warped or w/e.
*Also note that the power she was channeling there was NOT her own; it was the Life Force(a power she was only able to access in the first place thanks to help from Doom.)
Personally, I liked this retcon because it helped explain how Wanda was able to preform feats that were way beyond what she had ever displayed beforehand. In fact, without this added context, Wanda being able to preform universal/multiversal/omniversal feats makes absolutely no sense, imo. She never operated at a scale remotely close to that before HoM, nor has she done so since. Children's Crusade just fleshed out *how* she randomly became that powerful.
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The second retcon(the one implying that her warp was only global, and that Wanda herself was maybe Phoenix-level) happened in Avengers vs. X-Men.
because according to a certain someone we are suppose to treat them as completely different characters😂
Actually Wanda's transformation to a reality warper didn't happen suddenly in HoM, it was gradually developed in Avengers vol 3 where they retconned her into a Chaos Magick wielder -- reality warping energies which Chthon imbued her with. Which goes hand in hand with the classical comics where we learned that Chthon had given her some unknown powers which she wasn't tapping into in any considerable way. This was the reason she was beyond all the other mutants. And they continuously referred to her being a reality warper throughout the series. This was several years before HoM. She performed several nifty feats too, but not on the scale of HoM. Which also kinda made sense since in the classic days her abilities were very vague. They were also described as "being able to achieve anything". But in that era she was nowhere near as powerful.
As I said, without this added context, Wanda being able to preform universal/multiversal/omniversal feats makes absolutely no sense.
Being ambiguously called a "reality warper" beforehand is one thing. Actually warping reality on that kind of scale out of nowhere is a completely different animal... And thanks to the Children's Crusade retcon, we know *how* she was able to randomly operate on such a level.
She did perform a couple. She was able to channel her powers and the avengers' through WM to overpower Morgan w/ twilight sword (who warped an entire universe). She also literally brought back wonder man from the dead (specifically attributed to her reality warping powers). She was also able to forcibly take control and merge the chaos/order aspects of inbetweener. Among several other things. She was quite clearly more powerful than her classic days where she, at best, managed to perform a time travel feat.
We knew before Children's Crusade why she became that powerful. It was Chthon who amped her when she was a baby, in HoM she fully tapped into that power. Children's crusade retconned that to life-force.
Cool beans. 👆
No I knew about the Chthon amp, but that generally was regarded as part of Wanda's power that she was at least in control of in Avengers v3... But per the Children's Crusade/Life Force retcon, it definitely wasn't part of her power, and she couldn't control it. That's what I was getting at in my post.
...And imo, the Life Force amp/retcon makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Chthon amp, given the scale of things. /shrug
In control of? I disagree, or rather i would agree that she had at best partial control but not full control nor did she tap into her full powers. Her full potential only manifested in HoM. That was the original intention at least.
I agree that Chthon is too weak to be such a powerful power source though. But then again it's the same thing with Dr strange who performs feats beyond the principalities he invokes upon to perform them.
Let me rephrase: she at least had conscious control of her Chthon-amped power to *some* extent in Avengers v3 when she started doing a little more high-end stuff... But conscious control went out the window when the Children's Crusade retcon happened.
Anyway, nice to see you posting again, op. Plan on sticking around at all, or are you just passing through?
Originally posted by Galan007
It was first retconned in Children's Crusade. Wanda's warp was still kept at potentially omniversal in scope, but we learned that her own power was not responsible for it, nor could she explicitly control it:
https://i.imgur.com/ZBf1vsL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LKoYJJX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6GYjaLa.jpgAnother example:
https://i.imgur.com/tZI2W8U.jpgAnd another:
https://i.imgur.com/4RiMVny.jpgPer that retcon, Wanda was unable to control the power she released during HoM. She essentially just unleashed said power in a moment of "psychological instability", with a relatively simplistic motive/directive in place(ie. "No more Mutants"😉.... And whatever happened after that, happened(collaterally speaking.) She didn't at all intend for the omniverse to get warped or w/e.
*Also note that the power she was channeling there was NOT her own; it was the Life Force(a power she was only able to access in the first place thanks to help from Doom.)
Personally, I liked this retcon because it helped explain how Wanda was able to preform feats that were way beyond what she had ever displayed beforehand. In fact, without this added context, Wanda being able to preform universal/multiversal/omniversal feats makes absolutely no sense, imo. She never operated at a scale remotely close to that before HoM, nor has she done so since. Children's Crusade just fleshed out *how* she randomly became that powerful.
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The second retcon(the one implying that her warp was only global, and that Wanda herself was maybe Phoenix-level) happened in Avengers vs. X-Men.
Ok. "No more mutants" involves the last few pages of that major event. The entire story is centered around a reality warp preceeding the depowering of mutants and the affect on the Omniverse I believe preceeds the depowering of the mutants.
But your post seems to define her reality warp as solely the depowering of mutants. Her warp extends to the Kree Empire, so it was apparently beyond Earth.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Ok. "No more mutants" involves the last few pages of that major event. The entire story is centered around a reality warp preceeding the depowering of mutants and the affect on the Omniverse I believe preceeds the depowering of the mutants.But your post seems to define her reality warp as solely the depowering of mutants. Her warp extends to the Kree Empire, so it was apparently beyond Earth.
