U-DO vs. Kain

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Can it simply not be TOAA that grants LT his powers. That is the sole exceptions. TOAA can decide to take it away, which makes TOAA above him.

You said in a thread that Kain was blocking Omniscience away. Well, maybe TOAA can block LT's omnipotence.

TOAA is beyond LT in power, cannot be affected by LT in any way possible, omnipotence is power without limits, that means LT has a limit os he cannot be ominpotence

i didnt say it as definance, that was a speculation, i think i said it was didnt i? hmm, but anyway i dont think Kain blocks omnicience

Originally posted by Burning thought
TOAA is beyond LT in power, cannot be affected by LT in any way possible, omnipotence is power without limits, that means LT has a limit os he cannot be ominpotence

i didnt say it as definance, that was a speculation, i think i said it was didnt i? hmm, but anyway i dont think Kain blocks omnicience

But chances are that the ability to block such things exist. That means except for TOAA, there is nothing in the entire possible universe that LT can not do.

So unless Kain or anyone else is above TOAA, they are screwed.

Originally posted by Burning thought
TOAA is beyond LT in power, cannot be affected by LT in any way possible, omnipotence is power without limits, that means LT has a limit os he cannot be ominpotence

i didnt say it as definance, that was a speculation, i think i said it was didnt i? hmm, but anyway i dont think Kain blocks omnicience

TOAA is not even a character in the comics, "it" has just been referenced a couple of times by characters, it was already revealed that TOAA is the actual Marvel Company itself.

Just like how Walt Disney added his face to the Phantom Blot? 😛

I wanna be TOAA

LT is omnipotent, in Marvel tho, there are levels of omnipotence, some beings are on a higher level of omnipotence in Marvel, makes no sense I know, but it does in Marvel. Also, Classic Beyonder was on a higher level of omnipotence than LT. 😄

Any level of omnipotence will kick Kain's ass 😐

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Any level of omnipotence will kick Kain's ass 😐

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Any level of omnipotence will kick Kain's ass 😐

they prob would, i was not debating kain fighting them, i was debating againt omnipotence

Satan in my fiction would also kick LT and Classic beyonders @sses at the same time

but i was debating against just because their called ominpotent does not mean they can do anything, because they cannot as proven by TOAA, and V2D says Classic beyonder is a higher level of omnipotence

i just rememered that, marvel ominpotence is not real omnipotence, and only omnipotence is likely to actually be able to Kill kain, any would defeat him with something or other ime sure

Satan in your fiction, I am sure he could. Just like Michi in my fiction could destroy existance itself and everything else in any moment.

As said about Living Tribunal:

The Living Tribunal is an omnipotent entity which presides over all realities and universes, including the main Universe, Earth X, the Ultimate Universe, and all other alternate and potential realities.

He can simply alter the reality of Kain to make him none-immortal. Just because one omnipotent being has a tough time against another does not mean they can not do anything. Real omnipotence is the ability to do anything, which from what I know is exactly what Living Tribunal can do (Save beating TOAA, which as it seems right now does not even exist- if listening to Terryc250)

You say that Marvel omnipotence is not real omnipotence. How can omnipotence be real or not? Either it is omnipotence, or it is not. Omnipotence does not change meaning, simply because an omnipotent being can not do one single thing (Like beating TOAA). Omnipotence means "All power", which in other words means that an omnipotent being holds all powers possible. LT is "all powerful" and therefore omnipotent.

TOAA might be ranked over him because the effectivity of their power exceeds his. What he does with a motion, they might do with a blink. There is more to power than just pure power.

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Satan in your fiction, I am sure he could. Just like Michi in my fiction could destroy existance itself and everything else in any moment.

As said about Living Tribunal:

The Living Tribunal is an omnipotent entity which presides over all realities and universes, including the main Universe, Earth X, the Ultimate Universe, and all other alternate and potential realities.

He can simply alter the reality of Kain to make him none-immortal. Just because one omnipotent being has a tough time against another does not mean they can not do anything. Real omnipotence is the ability to do anything, which from what I know is exactly what Living Tribunal can do (Save beating TOAA, which as it seems right now does not even exist- if listening to Terryc250)

You say that Marvel omnipotence is not real omnipotence. How can omnipotence be real or not? Either it is omnipotence, or it is not. Omnipotence does not change meaning, simply because an omnipotent being can not do one single thing (Like beating TOAA). Omnipotence means "All power", which in other words means that an omnipotent being holds all powers possible.

TOAA might be ranked over him because the effectivity of their power exceeds his. What he does with a motion, they might do with a blink. There is more to power than just pure power.

that wouldnt do anything, kain simply cannot die because of his scion of balance status, the only way to counteract that would be to alter the timeline of nosogth which makes Kain Scion of balance which has been debated before

TOAA is a fictional character, i think someone even had a feat for him if i remember correctly, although its a character that represents the power of Marvel itself, its still a fictional character the TOAA that LT cannot go above

all powers possible, among those powers is not a power that can take on the TOAA or another supreme entity, its not omnipotent, i also say it becase as V2D theres levels of omnipotence, this does not make sense to the word, Marvel cannot it seems understand English

Omnipotence is all powerful, power without limits, this title of power for LT is immediatley lost as soon as his power has limits, which is LT, apprently Molecule man was also above LT among many other things

Originally posted by Burning thought
that wouldnt do anything, kain simply cannot die because of his scion of balance status, the only way to counteract that would be to alter the timeline of nosogth which makes Kain Scion of balance which has been debated before

TOAA is a fictional character, i think someone even had a feat for him if i remember correctly, although its a character that represents the power of Marvel itself, its still a fictional character the TOAA that LT cannot go above

all powers possible, among those powers is not a power that can take on the TOAA or another supreme entity, its not omnipotent, i also say it becase as V2D theres levels of omnipotence, this does not make sense to the word, Marvel cannot it seems understand English

Omnipotence is all powerful, power without limits, this title of power for LT is immediatley lost as soon as his power has limits, which is LT, apprently Molecule man was also above LT among many other things

Simply remove Scion of Balance. Then kill Kain.

Alright then. You seem so sure. Give me TOAA's real name or something that I can relate to them and I will search Marvel's homepage and the web for it.
And if it is Marvel themselves, of course he can not go above. He is omnipotent, but he is fiction. I would love to see him destroy the author 😐

If TOAA is Marvel, they are outside LT's existance. They are real and he is fiction. Therefore out of his reach. He can still be omnipotent in fiction, but can not reach outside the fiction, thus' making TOAA untouchable. Anything in fiction is in his reach.
So, to a sense I guess you are right. He is not omnipotent, because he can not leave the comic world.

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Simply remove Scion of Balance. Then kill Kain.

Alright then. You seem so sure. Give me TOAA's real name or something that I can relate to them and I will search Marvel's homepage and the web for it.
And if it is Marvel themselves, of course he can not go above. He is omnipotent, but he is fiction. I would love to see him destroy the author 😐

If TOAA is Marvel, they are outside LT's existance. They are real and he is fiction. Therefore out of his reach. He can still be omnipotent in fiction, but can not reach outside the fiction, thus' making TOAA untouchable. Anything in fiction is in his reach.
So, to a sense I guess you are right. He is not omnipotent, because he can not leave the comic world.

hes called "The one above all" but you may end up getting the celestial that has the same name, but TOAA is fiction, altho he is an avatar for Marvel themselves, the company, the TOAA itself is the fictional avatar of the company and nothing in Marvel can go above it, so nothing can truly be ominpotent

well yes thats another example, he cannot leave fiction but even in the fiction there are things he cannot do, like destroy this being that Scathon could destroy who is a Celestial if ime correct, also i think he is also below Molecule man the classic version, its debated i think in the Comic book vs whether or not LT has actually been retconned at all or if anything less has happened to him

Hiw powers has no limit, but he is not capable of destroying TOAA. Simple as that. They have a power that prevent him from destroying them. A "racial ability" might fit the bill 😛

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Hiw powers has no limit, but he is not capable of destroying TOAA. Simple as that. They have a power that prevent him from destroying them. A "racial ability" might fit the bill 😛

ofc his powers have limit, he woudlnt be able to beat Classic MM either, or he couldnt defeat the thing scathon beat, LT needed help from Scathon, so obviously LT is not as ominpotent as he would like to think

so he doesnt have all powers of anything, so we can only go by his feats, which tbh ime not sure, i think he held a multiverse or something in his hands at once or destroyed a multiverse

What exactly happened in the fight that LT could not win? For just maybe it was not his powers that prevented his victory, but his moral or an oath or something 🙂

Originally posted by Lady Fox
What exactly happened in the fight that LT could not win? For just maybe it was not his powers that prevented his victory, but his moral or an oath or something 🙂

i dont think LT has anything like that, he is no more a character than a cold form that does things by will of TOAA, but i dont know the outcome, all i know is that Scathan is seen highly for it and LT doesnt seem as omnipotent if he cannot do something

if theres a threat to the universe, LT can decide to judge it and if its judged against it may be deleted, apparently however something about the opponent Scathon destroyed stopped LT

LT is not omnipotent. U-DO horrirapes Kain. Sephiroth is still trash. The end.

Marvel says he is 😐

"Omnipotent and Omniscient"

then Marvel dont understand the word, have made the word in their unvierse not what it means in our world, or have contradicted themselves