lmao, xenosaga fanboy, not really. i just dont give half ass below planetary level characters odds over beyond multiversal entities. i think that pretty reasoneable, all the other scions were killed might i add, kain threw away his duty as scion of balance and the pillar of balance was destroyed. doesnt matter, it only pertains to balance in NOSGOTH, and udo will blink and make nosgoth disappear as well as the elder god and all the dead souls in the spectral realm of the planet. voilia, the mystical balance of nosgoth doesnt even exist anymore, kain doesnt have a prayer. heck, MOMO cud beat the shit out of kain, or even ziggy.
yes udo has taken dimitri's soul as well as the urtvs and shion and kosmos and albedo and practically any1 else it please. and no, the souls ARE much more than they are in legacy of kain. in legacy of kain, both the real and teh spectral realm and the elder god are confined to a PLANET and nosgoth is all there is to the realm, none of those beings extends outside in space etc. however, in xenoSAGA{not xenoGEARS, xenoSAGA universe and powers are far far far more than xenoGEARS universe} souls exist in imaginary space and in all histories and futures in higher dimensional space while bodies exist in real space. kosmos's soul was dispersed into all of reality, holding chao's anima at bay in all realities, chaos's soul has the potential power to end all existance, while shion can call on the power of UDO to manifest itself in real space. there are a host of other soul properties abotu wilhelm and the testaments and stuff. i suggest you go PLAY all three xenosagas before you make the type of arguments you are making. dungeons and dragon types like legacy of kain characters{not that the series isnt AWESOME} stand NO chance infront of gods who rule multiverses.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Not even BT thinks Kain wins this fight just so you know.
But he does think Kain survives. Basically, what Burning Thought is saying is that Kain is tougher to kill than God itself. Since even if the entire universe was removed out of existance, Kain would stand since he is the scion of balance or what it is called.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, xenosaga fanboy, not really. i just dont give half ass below planetary level characters odds over beyond multiversal entities. i think that pretty reasoneable, all the other scions were killed might i add, kain threw away his duty as scion of balance and the pillar of balance was destroyed. doesnt matter, it only pertains to balance in NOSGOTH, and udo will blink and make nosgoth disappear as well as the elder god and all the dead souls in the spectral realm of the planet. voilia, the mystical balance of nosgoth doesnt even exist anymore, kain doesnt have a prayer. heck, MOMO cud beat the shit out of kain, or even ziggy.
false, now you see, whats funny is your claim to have played all 5 games which should give you more knowlegde than your showing, what your saying is that there is more than one scion of balance ever? no theres only been one scion of balance which is the guy who cant be killed, there were many balance guardians you see, kain is both guardian and scion, but there has only been one scion
also no, youd have to be Amy herring or Kyle or whatever the other developers names are all at once to wipe nosgoth, its time as stated by them as a special rule for the universe is immutable you cant change it, since U-DO is not part of Nosgoth in the first place he would likely be destroyed
from what ive seen of him he is a weak entity, 123Kid says its the same enitty Kosmos fired and joined beams with and all that happened is apprently a Galaxy was destroyed....
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Not even BT thinks Kain wins this fight just so you know.
at least someone realises this, ofc kain doesnt win
Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes udo has taken dimitri's soul as well as the urtvs and shion and kosmos and albedo and practically any1 else it please. and no, the souls ARE much more than they are in legacy of kain. in legacy of kain, both the real and teh spectral realm and the elder god are confined to a PLANET and nosgoth is all there is to the realm, none of those beings extends outside in space etc. however, in xenoSAGA{not xenoGEARS, xenoSAGA universe and powers are far far far more than xenoGEARS universe} souls exist in imaginary space and in all histories and futures in higher dimensional space while bodies exist in real space. kosmos's soul was dispersed into all of reality, holding chao's anima at bay in all realities, chaos's soul has the potential power to end all existance, while shion can call on the power of UDO to manifest itself in real space. there are a host of other soul properties abotu wilhelm and the testaments and stuff. i suggest you go PLAY all three xenosagas before you make the type of arguments you are making. dungeons and dragon types like legacy of kain characters{not that the series isnt AWESOME} stand NO chance infront of gods who rule multiverses.
as i said, your talking rubbish, you said their more important but importance doesnt equel destruction, just because their part of diffrent realities doesnt make them so much better
Kains soul is completly immortal, infact if any of these beings were in LOK, their souls could be recycled and made into new beings of flesh if he wanted
you keep saying he stands no chance, thats already been debated, i know he doesnt win......i mean he cant kill this U-DO either, probably could not hit him unless he came into the same form he battled Kos-mos as, then he could "try" do something before being defeated, also just because they rule multiverses does not make them so much greater, just because the president rules the USA, doesnt mean he can survive or fight better than one of his soldiers....
Originally posted by Lady Fox
But he does think Kain survives. Basically, what Burning Thought is saying is that Kain is tougher to kill than God itself. Since even if the entire universe was removed out of existance, Kain would stand since he is the scion of balance or what it is called.
God itself? what do you mean God itself, if your talking about U-DO then thats just the God in the Xeno Fiction, also has he been killed? maybe he cannot be killed either, also 123Kid what is your view? you made this battle seriously was it made ofr spite? considering you also made the respect thread for U-DO?
scion of balance its called 😉
is loose kain allowed? theoretical kain? or the kain we know the facts for? if its only kain we know the facts for then U-DO cant possibly lose surely if he is a God? so its spite perhaps? hmm 😄
They said U-DO is God itself, so I kind of walked with that. If U-DO exchanged words with someone, that means that U-DO "is" in philosophical terms. He leads a conversation, therefore he exist as an actual entity. Everything that "is" can be defeated, and in my opinion even killed. You just have to find the right means to do so, and hold the capability in power to pull it trough.
Originally posted by Lady Fox
They said U-DO is God itself, so I kind of walked with that. If U-DO exchanged words with someone, that means that U-DO "is" in philosophical terms. He leads a conversation, therefore he exist as an actual entity. Everything that "is" can be defeated, and in my opinion even killed. You just have to find the right means to do so, and hold the capability in power to pull it trough.
"shrug" if U-DO IS god then his creating the world in 7 days is a horrible feat and he must be damn weak, hes just a God in a fiction
"shrug" well wether kain can die or not is regardless in a debate because we dont know what can kill him, only throw in a guess or so, i dont see anything that can kill kain if the rules state he cant die, Amy herring i suppose could kill kain, she could change something in the story, infact that could happen conisdering the last game wasnt out for ages ago so maybe theyll retcon the story but both kain and other seemingly unkillable beings can be defeated for sure
^lmao!!!!!!!!!!!! those arguments are worse than gs !!!!! oh you poor poor boy, going by that logic, kain cant killwolverine either because kain isnt part of eternity and the phoenix force and all the marvel abstracts and the creators and hence wolverine's life force is in the hands and decisions of being outside kain's reality. that is COMPLETELY false, it is one of the rules of any vs thread that both the charactrs are in a universe where both their powers and basic abstracts and etities and phenomenon exist, otherwise, there can be no fight!!!!! it dosnt matter what the creators of legacy of kain made kain, even the phenomenon which give him his power are connected to A planet, and hence are far far far below anything done in the xenosaga verse. as such, udo will destroy him, his planet , the pillar of balance, the entire timeile, he will rip apart space time itself and destroy the entire universe. goodbye puny kain.
and no, xenosaga characters wud not be subject to the circle of death and souls and rebirth that exists in legacy of kain as that is a puny system while that in xenosaga is beyond universal, hence the two can not even be compared{just like a god of death, say in the street fighter universe will never compare to the multiversal death that exists in vertigo. easily compareable power levels}
i have played all the legacy of kain games, more than once. but that was a long time ago, after i finished defiance for a second time, i didnt touch them again. doesnt matter whether kain is SCION or guardian,{not so much of a difference at all, thing is the only thing that gives him power over other guardians is the fact that he has the controlling role over all of them} u-do will wipe out nosgoth{as its just a planet} and everything that gives kain power. kain was not BORN immortal, he was dying and vorador made him a vampire. scions and guardians can perform their role as protectors even in spirit form at time. doesnt matter, the very being that controls the entire cycle of death and birth, the elder god will be killed in heartbeat by udo. please do not try to pull the "no1 but a creator can destroy nosgoth" crap. its a planet, any1 above planet buster level can destroy it.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^lmao!!!!!!!!!!!! those arguments are worse than gs !!!!! oh you poor poor boy, going by that logic, kain cant killwolverine either because kain isnt part of eternity and the phoenix force and all the marvel abstracts and the creators and hence wolverine's life force is in the hands and decisions of being outside kain's reality. that is COMPLETELY false, it is one of the rules of any vs thread that both the charactrs are in a universe where both their powers and basic abstracts and etities and phenomenon exist, otherwise, there can be no fight!!!!! it dosnt matter what the creators of legacy of kain made kain, even the phenomenon which give him his power are connected to A planet, and hence are far far far below anything done in the xenosaga verse. as such, udo will destroy him, his planet , the pillar of balance, the entire timeile, he will rip apart space time itself and destroy the entire universe. goodbye puny kain.and no, xenosaga characters wud not be subject to the circle of death and souls and rebirth that exists in legacy of kain as that is a puny system while that in xenosaga is beyond universal, hence the two can not even be compared{just like a god of death, say in the street fighter universe will never compare to the multiversal death that exists in vertigo. easily compareable power levels}
i have played all the legacy of kain games, more than once. but that was a long time ago, after i finished defiance for a second time, i didnt touch them again. doesnt matter whether kain is SCION or guardian,{not so much of a difference at all, thing is the only thing that gives him power over other guardians is the fact that he has the controlling role over all of them} u-do will wipe out nosgoth{as its just a planet} and everything that gives kain power. kain was not BORN immortal, he was dying and vorador made him a vampire. scions and guardians can perform their role as protectors even in spirit form at time. doesnt matter, the very being that controls the entire cycle of death and birth, the elder god will be killed in heartbeat by udo. please do not try to pull the "no1 but a creator can destroy nosgoth" crap. its a planet, any1 above planet buster level can destroy it.
no you miss the point, your not talking fictional, your taling about creators but the creators have put a line in the fiction that makes time immutable, theres nothing U-DO or any other that can break the time line, and when has U-DO done any of this stuff at all? he wont kill anything in Nosgoth, nor can he kill kain
false, just because their multiveral or ominversal does not ake a diffrent to rules, if they were in Nosgoth, they would be subject to the rules and Elder God would spin them in the wheel of fate
theres a diffrence, and thats the scion simply cannot die. His sword give him power, the only thing he would lose without Nosgoth is perhaps the infnite magic bonus although i tihnk he even has his own emblem, since all of the emblems create the balance emblem together so maybe he would have all his bonuses, U-DO would have to take the Reaver from kain to take away his main powers
Vorador made him a vampire wtf? Mortanius made him a vampire.....with the heart of darkness which is a massive part of the entire series, since when did Vorador make kain a vampire? .......i admit ive not played Bo 1 for years myself so if ive missed Vorador doing it ime sorry but this doesnt sound true at all unless you can show me the evidence, Mortanius takes kain from the underworld and makes him a vampire...
no not anyone at all can destroy nosgoth, its protected by a fictional immutable timeline, which is a rule slapped down by the creators, you cant break a rule in a fiction jsut because your a God for the sake of the title thank you very much especially if it a special rule enforced in LOK, no one will be destroying Nosgoth, U-DO would not touch EG, only kain with the reaver can, its a plot device being, U-DO would not even be aware of the EG
you seem to talk very highly of U-DO who so far from what ive seen has destroyed one galaxy in an alternate future reality, your knowledge of LOK seems haisy at the very least
^complete and utter falsehood. when a vs is done both universes are subject to change/destruction in part or full depending on the FEATS shown by the characters of the other universe. otherwise there can be no battle. i know why you havent commented on the wolverine example, because you KNOW how ridiculous it sounds if we go by your logic and say that wolverine is unkillable by any1 outside marvel. you are bringing bogus arguments into a vs thread. please desist from doing so. udo will destroy kain and nosgoth and the entire universe in which nosgoth exists in the blink of an eye if it will. that is how valid power levels are compared. the argument that "ZOMG, LIVING TRIBUNAL HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER DC HENCE HE LOSES TO BATMAN ZOMG!" doesnt work in versus forums. kain loses, complete mismatch.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^complete and utter falsehood. when a vs is done both universes are subject to change/destruction in part or full depending on the FEATS shown by the characters of the other universe. otherwise there can be no battle. i know why you havent commented on the wolverine example, because you KNOW how ridiculous it sounds if we go by your logic and say that wolverine is unkillable by any1 outside marvel. you are bringing bogus arguments into a vs thread. please desist from doing so. udo will destroy kain and nosgoth and the entire universe in which nosgoth exists in the blink of an eye if it will. that is how valid power levels are compared. the argument that "ZOMG, LIVING TRIBUNAL HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER DC HENCE HE LOSES TO BATMAN ZOMG!" doesnt work in versus forums. kain loses, complete mismatch.
nothing especially time is immutable is marvel and TOAA protects what it feels is worthy, so Wolverine is fair game for kain or any other character, you lose the point completly
same with your pointless DC argument, altho Batman would wtfpwn LT with a batkick, all 3 of its faces would smash
but i agree there, Kain does lose and this is a mismatch, but i sitll want to see 123Kids view on this since he created it, and i dont know why he would make a mismatch if this is such especially if he knows the capabilities of U-DO, prob spite
Originally posted by leonheartmm
u-do didnt destroy a galaxy, a simple exchange between KOSMOS and udo destroed three galaxies. otherwise , udo can consume all of existance and is more powerful than the sum total of the lower domains of real and imaginary space and the collective unconcious of the entire multiverse.
id like to see these several galaxies please, and all this he can consume all excistence as well, can you show me all this information please
u-do didnt destroy a galaxy, a simple exchange between KOSMOS and udo destroed three galaxies. otherwise , udo can consume all of existance and is more powerful than the sum total of the lower domains of real and imaginary space and the collective unconcious of the entire multiverse.
all right but the consume existence part
you made that up and it's flatly disproved by canon
also it should be noted it is never directly stated U-DO is stronger than the total of all the lower universes but is a logical presumption based on the fact he resides in a dimension above all of them and thus his higher should be greater than all of them
Originally posted by Burning thought
"shrug" if U-DO IS god then his creating the world in 7 days is a horrible feat and he must be damn weak, hes just a God in a fiction"shrug" well wether kain can die or not is regardless in a debate because we dont know what can kill him, only throw in a guess or so, i dont see anything that can kill kain if the rules state he cant die, Amy herring i suppose could kill kain, she could change something in the story, infact that could happen conisdering the last game wasnt out for ages ago so maybe theyll retcon the story but both kain and other seemingly unkillable beings can be defeated for sure
God created the world in no time at all. He created the details in 7 days. He had a sense of detail.
sigh, no i did NOT, that is based on dimitri uriev's and albedo's contact with udo where they saw u-do destroying all existance, which created the fear of udo in them resulting in everything dimitri and albedo did.
furthermore, if you remember correctly, once abel;s ark manifested in the real world and abel appeared in zarathustra, a wave pattern was blasted thoughout the entire umn, the lemegeton program, also based on chaos's words due to udo, which was leading to the gnosification of every1 in the universe and leading their opposing WILLS to destroy and consume it. i say again, the only ral unexplained thing here is u-do's connection with chaos due to which the problems of understanding arise.
sigh, no i did NOT, that is based on dimitri uriev's and albedo's contact with udo where they saw u-do destroying all existance, which created the fear of udo in them resulting in everything dimitri and albedo did.
they did not see U-DO destroying the universe
furthermore, if you remember correctly, once abel;s ark manifested in the real world and abel appeared in zarathustra, a wave pattern was blasted thoughout the entire umn, the lemegeton program, also based on chaos's words due to udo, which was leading to the gnosification of every1 in the universe and leading their opposing WILLS to destroy and consume it.
thats because the power of Abel's Ark was released due to the party and Wilhelm
it wasn't U-DO's intent at all
and it wasn't Lemegeton it was something different