they couldnt reality warp him from excistence the same reason why tehy cannot kill him in Nosgoth, hes protected by the Amy herring rules
youd be meddling with his time line if you tried to erase him from excistence becayse no matter where the fight starts kains excistence began in the Nosgoth timeline which cannot be messed with
they could prob do some weird stuff with him, or put him in a dimension and close it down, they can do that, completly make the dimension disapear with Kain in it
ermmmmmm, u-do is GOD. as in THE god of all the universes which exists in xenosaga verse and the encaphlon. even its EYES were the size of star systems and a single mental excanhge between kosmos and u-do ended up destoying three galaxies. kain doesnt have a prayer, the umn is the mind/soul dimension, and udo will kill him there too. total mismatch, u-do shud go up against tenchi sisters or lord of nightmares, jesus.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
ermmmmmm, u-do is GOD. as in THE god of all the universes which exists in xenosaga verse and the encaphlon. even its EYES were the size of star systems and a single mental excanhge between kosmos and u-do ended up destoying three galaxies. kain doesnt have a prayer, the umn is the mind/soul dimension, and udo will kill him there too. total mismatch, u-do shud go up against tenchi sisters or lord of nightmares, jesus.
he only destroyed 3 galaxies?
so U-Do is God? if hes God and can do anything then what are Tenchi sisterso?
isnt Lord of nightmares in animes and novels? not games?
Supreme entities also?
no he wud die. the gods that gave kain his immortality are very weak. they are concerned with traits of the planet and nothing more. even the squid like elder god who he defeated who controls the cycle of deatha nd rebirth{he defeated him but cudnt kill him} is confined to the PLANET.
as such, their powers are nothing compared to U-DO, the collective unconcious which cud destroy as many universes as it sees fit. u-do's power is beyond comprehension. kain is outmatched by any1 on or beyond the planetary power level. you are also forgetting that reletively immortal beings like voyager were also destroyed by the zohar and u-do's power. basically, the strongest things in nosgoth can not even compare to basic characters in xenosaga. {ive played all the soul reaverm, blood omen, and defiance games. u are severely overestimating kain. } u-do is basically beyond infinitely stronger than the power source for kain's immortality.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no he wud die. the gods that gave kain his immortality are very weak. they are concerned with traits of the planet and nothing more. even the squid like elder god who he defeated who controls the cycle of deatha nd rebirth{he defeated him but cudnt kill him} is confined to the PLANET.
as such, their powers are nothing compared to U-DO, the collective unconcious which cud destroy as many universes as it sees fit. u-do's power is beyond comprehension. kain is outmatched by any1 on or beyond the planetary power level. you are also forgetting that reletively immortal beings like voyager were also destroyed by the zohar and u-do's power. basically, the strongest things in nosgoth can not even compare to basic characters in xenosaga. {ive played all the soul reaverm, blood omen, and defiance games. u are severely overestimating kain. } u-do is basically beyond infinitely stronger than the power source for kain's immortality.
No gods gave kain his immortality apart from the creators and real creators have more power than any being in fiction technically, so no God can kill kain apart from the creators themselves, they have locked kains timeline, and the pillars dont make kain invuelrable at all, they give him some incredibly powerful abilities tho but nothing to do with his overall imortality, also technically EG is not confined to the planet, he is inside several dimensions at the same time technically because he can be seen by Raziel in the spectoral realm as well, he seems to be on a plane of excistence that only a few can see
destroying universes is not the same as destroying kain, because those unvierses are not protected by anything, their simply earth and rock and suns, their not protected by any ancient force or such, also when has he destroyed countless unvierses or said so, ive not heard of that before
what are you talking about the planetary power level? please show me this level your talking of, it sounds like something you personally made up, or are you taling about a being that can blow up planets, then your simply talking about destructive force, just because kain doesnt have destructive force on their level doesnt mean they can kill him or he cant kill them.
can you prove you played all the games and understood them? ive heard more than enough people in my time who claim to have completed the games and not been able to understand squat from them, for example youve already said you seem to think its because of something in Nosgoth, an entity that Kain is immortal? Basic characters? what baisic characters in Xenogear, he would rip out their souls if they have souls to destroy them
U-Do does not equel a Creator of a fiction, unless U-DO represents the company who made Xenogears, if so then he is simply equel to, but that doesnt mean he can wipe away what makes kain immortal, because thats set in stone through Kains time line which is also immutable by law of the Creators
Originally posted by Lady Fox
So not even God itself can kill Kain according to you?
God himself is fully omnipotent, altho i dont think God himself could really kill kain if he excisted, maybe the one from christian beliefs but ime not religions and the way they portray his feats its terrible, he took 7 days to make Earth alone.....but then again, this is talking religion, no offense but i think Religion is fiction completly and so the God in religion is probably weaker in feats by far to this U-DO guy since as i said God made the earth in 7 days apprently 😛 the God of one fiction canot neccerily overrule the god of another fiction, infact thats unlikely at all, that would be copyright 😛
^LMAO!!!!! omg. to begin with, kain is PRACTICALLY IMMORTAL. he isnt truly immortal. he was made immortal like all other vampires when vorador gave him his power. however, ariel gave him more blessings and since he was the guardian of balance, he has power from the LAND fo nosgoth. but he isnt truly immortal, its just that he was brought back from deatn after being partialy killed by puny entities like the hylden king/sarafan lord. he was unable to kil the elder god. the elder god exists in the spectral REALMS where souls live, it is still part of the earth, and the god recycle's the planet's souls and gets power from it. that is why its roots/tentacles reach deep into the GROUND. and really, the creator didnt make any1 truly immortsal,even the elder god said "one day your wretched stangnant soul will finally be mine. after which time kain said "in the mean time, ud best burrow deep" . the POINT of the battle was that kain cud die just like raziel but with the soul reaver, he triumphed over the elder god. he isnt by nature immortal and even if he was made that way by the CREATORS of the game, even then he wud not be more powerful than his entire univer's power combined. u-do exists BEYOND dimensional existance. he wud obliterate everything in the legacy of kain universe since he himself is a multiversal being. as such, kain wud be utterly destroyed. as for the soul thing goes, u obviously have not played xenosaga or u wudnt make that ridiculous comment. souls of sum main characters of xenosaga are more important than teh entire legacy of kain UNIVERSE.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^LMAO!!!!! omg. to begin with, kain is PRACTICALLY IMMORTAL. he isnt truly immortal. he was made immortal like all other vampires when vorador gave him his power. however, ariel gave him more blessings and since he was the guardian of balance, he has power from the LAND fo nosgoth. but he isnt truly immortal, its just that he was brought back from deatn after being partialy killed by puny entities like the hylden king/sarafan lord. he was unable to kil the elder god. the elder god exists in the spectral REALMS where souls live, it is still part of the earth, and the god recycle's the planet's souls and gets power from it. that is why its roots/tentacles reach deep into the GROUND. and really, the creator didnt make any1 truly immortsal,even the elder god said "one day your wretched stangnant soul will finally be mine. after which time kain said "in the mean time, ud best burrow deep" . the POINT of the battle was that kain cud die just like raziel but with the soul reaver, he triumphed over the elder god. he isnt by nature immortal and even if he was made that way by the CREATORS of the game, even then he wud not be more powerful than his entire univer's power combined. u-do exists BEYOND dimensional existance. he wud obliterate everything in the legacy of kain universe since he himself is a multiversal being. as such, kain wud be utterly destroyed. as for the soul thing goes, u obviously have not played xenosaga or u wudnt make that ridiculous comment. souls of sum main characters of xenosaga are more important than teh entire legacy of kain UNIVERSE.
you seem to be a Xenosaga fanboy, interesting
Kain is completly immortal since as his station as the scion of balance he cannot die, simple......as a Vampire he is immortal because of the fact he canont age but he cannot die because he is the scion of balance
being the guardian of balance gives him control of magic as concept in the LOK unvierse, yes, like all balance guardians they control magic in the world...so....whats the relevence of you menstioning this?
he doesnt just excist in the spectoral realm, he excists in various realms at once, including the material, he just cannot be seen or touched because you need purified sight to see the Elder God, if he was Spectoral then Kain would of seen the rest of the spectoral realm when he was purifed, but he did not, only the EG, who excists both material and Spectoral dimensions at the same time, yes the EG recycles souls in his wheel of fate, creating life again and so on and so forth but he cannot do it to vampires
the creator did, Kain as the scion of balance cannot be killed, as we know the EG is a liar and at the end was desperate, the only way EG can have vampire souls is if a reaver or such like Raziel takes it but Raziel is now in the blade and is kains ally, but kain cannot die, the EG is not a real God, he does not know past, present and future.
no, even EG as arrogent as it is admitted he could kill neither kain or Raziel.....
i never said Kain is equel to the entire power of the unvierse or anything like that...he doesnt have that kind of power at his finger tips, at least not as we know ofcourse.
no he would not obliterate the LOK unvierse, not unless tehy were thrown into the Xenosaga unvierse ofc for the fight, then wed just have Kain left over, has U-DOS ever taken a soul?
false, Xenogear souls unless you can prove their not vulerable to soul powers are the same as any other soul, their sentience forces and spirit of a being, also what do you mean more improtant? wtf....sounds like a random fanboy rant sort of thing to say...
Originally posted by Lady Fox
So.... if the entire universe was annhiliated, save the destroyer. Kain would still live?
why not? he would just be floating in space probably, couldnt do much but he would live, theres no reason to assume otherwise, because even that would be an assumption, all we know is the facts and that kain cannot die.
no
Kain is immortaler than any other vampire as only the Reaver can truly kill him
the Elder God himself admits that Kain can't be killed which was not the case for all the other vampires
not to say Kain wouldn't die here but you're wrong about what you said
Raziel: You haven't the means to kill either one of us!
Elder God: Ah but you can be stopped.
Originally posted by 123KID
no
Kain is immortaler than any other vampire as only the Reaver can truly kill him
the Elder God himself admits that Kain can't be killed which was not the case for all the other vampires
not to say Kain wouldn't die here but you're wrong about what you said
Raziel: You haven't the means to kill either one of us!
Elder God: Ah but you can be stopped.
123KID is correct, however i disagree about the reaver being able to kill kain, the only things that belived that were those who thought kain and Raziel to be their champions of diffrent sides and belived kain was destined to die at the hands of the Hylden champion, however this turned out not to be true because Kain is the scion of balance and Raziel happesn to be both the champions, but yes all the rest what you said is correct
which is the reason why i ask Leonheart to say what he can of the game if he claim to of played it beause its not the easiest game to comprehend i suppose