Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You are talking about an exception and not the general rule.
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Salsa ... that's very nearly the entire POINT of my last post.
Are you sure you actually read it?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I leg pressed almost 800 lbs when I was 14 I didn't press more because We could not find more people ...
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More people?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I leg pressed almost 800 lbs when I was 14 I didn't press more because We could not find more people and it was not in a high tech gym but a rather rudimentary one (no poleys)
If you're trying somehow to say that you didn't really know because you didn't have complete information, my post applies even more.
Very few people have actually tested their ideas. They go instead by general assumptions.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
if you want to go that route why not compare the strongest man in the world vs the strongest woman in the world vs the strongest girl in the world and see who is stronger
I DO want to go that route.
And I have.
The problem is, YOU'RE not going that route, but think you have.
Superman wouldn't be the strongest man in the world if Krypton had any other survivors. He's the strongest because there ARE no other men from Krypton.
He's the ONLY man from Krypton.
By the logic you're using, it's just as valid to say he's the WEAKEST man in the world.
THERE ARE NO OTHER MEN FROM HIS WORLD.
Note this also applies to Kara.
More likely than not, she would not be the strongest girl in her world if others had survived Krypton. She did though.
So she wins by default.
But it would be just as appropriate, if THAT's how you're trying to figure these things, to say Kara is the WEAKEST girl from her world.
And to go with the real life case I used?
Strong as she is (or was when that leg pressing feat was recorded, I don't know how strong she is now)
that 14 year old is almost certainly NOT the strongest girl in the world.
She's actually quite ordinary looking, and most likely was only training to be a better goalie, NOT to be the strongest girl in Australia (and, again, impressive though she is, she probably is NOT even that).
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
if you want to go that route why not compare the strongest man in the world vs the strongest woman in the world vs the strongest girl in the world and see who is stronger
In case you're wondering, I am 99.9% sure the strongest man in the world is stronger than the strongest girl in the world.
Unless there are women in our real world more extraordinary than even I can guess at. I might be a little scared if any were THAT far beyond what I've been exposed to, though.
Originally posted by Delta1938Blue, do you acknowledge you argued the Doomsday technique scans out of context?
No. Because I knew of at least one place where Doomsday was controlled, but at least two where Doomsday was intelligent but did not reveal it until later.
So Superman had at least twice experienced Doomsday looking and acting at first mindless and monstrous but then going sophisticated on him.
That's precisely WHY I wrote this back on page 114.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Given stories like Our Worlds At War and Hunter/Prey, if Superman didn't expect technique from Doomsday by then, he just ought of.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=473829&pagenumber=114
Here's one of the other instances I was thinking of, taking place in 2001, some 4 years before Rucka wrote Sacrifice:
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😬Salsa ... that's very nearly the entire POINT of my last post.
Are you sure you actually read it?😕
More people?
If you're trying somehow to say that you didn't really know because you didn't have complete information, my post applies even more.
Very few people have actually tested their ideas. They go instead by general assumptions.I DO want to go that route.
And I have.The problem is, YOU'RE not going that route, but think you have.
Superman wouldn't be the strongest man in the world if Krypton had any other survivors. He's the strongest because there ARE no other men from Krypton.
He's the ONLY man from Krypton.
By the logic you're using, it's just as valid to say he's the WEAKEST man in the world.THERE ARE NO OTHER MEN FROM HIS WORLD.
Note this also applies to Kara.
More likely than not, she would not be the strongest girl in her world if others had survived Krypton. She did though.
So she wins by default.But it would be just as appropriate, if THAT's how you're trying to figure these things, to say Kara is the WEAKEST girl from her world.
And to go with the real life case I used?
Strong as she is (or was when that leg pressing feat was recorded, I don't know how strong she is now)
that 14 year old is almost certainly NOT the strongest girl in the world.
She's actually quite ordinary looking, and most likely was only training to be a better goalie, NOT to be the strongest girl in Australia (and, again, impressive though she is, she probably is NOT even that).In case you're wondering, I am 99.9% sure the strongest man in the world is stronger than the strongest girl in the world.
Unless there are women in our real world more extraordinary than even I can guess at. I might be a little scared if any were THAT far beyond what I've been exposed to, though.
Blue almost everytimeI have adressed one of ypur rebuttals you don't adress them at 100% then you keep posting and bring up new points, so ill take you are conceding the points you don't adress and just come up with new stuff on the fly?
Anyway, I will address this properly in due time as I am currently very busy and in the middle of two other debates, but you are ignoring the evidence presented to you explaining why supergirl gave the impression of being stronger, you need people to post that again?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'd punch my mom straight in the teeth if she were letting Superman fans ravish her. I'd rather she find a nice heroine addict.
I'm your new daddy. Deal with it.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider😕
More people?
Well, he WAS in Mexico.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Superman wouldn't be the strongest man in the world if Krypton had any other survivors. He's the strongest because there ARE no other men from Krypton.
He's the ONLY man from Krypton.
By the logic you're using, it's just as valid to say he's the WEAKEST man in the world.THERE ARE NO OTHER MEN FROM HIS WORLD.
Superman is only the strongest because there were no other Kryptonian men?
5 No-Name Kryptonian soldiers while Zod is punching him in the face.
Gets tackled by Non(a genetic freak of Kryptonians) and despite his inferior position, catches Non's punch.
Ursa AND Non attempt to restrain Superman together, three times, and he breaks their attempt each time.
Originally posted by carver9I am and have done more than any other poster ever has. I also am not limited to one avenue and have done a cross genre, movie, and comic book battlezones.
Terrible. Just outright terrible. Thanks for the updates you all. I thought Quan was the aggressor concerning battlezones. Guess I was misinformed.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI will never do a battlezone out of character. It isn't how I debate. I won't ever ignore evidence so while I'll debate it I'll never take the time to dedicate to a battlezone with those horrible stips.
You were saying over and over again that Thonos win a cis less match vs Superman and Gladiator, I challenge you to back up your trolling claims and you just lower you eyes in sign of submission while trying to make things up onto why you punk out.Yep quite sad, but I know he is just an act.
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For comparison, Ursa was able to restrain Kara single-handedly until Krypto, Superboy and Steel saved her.
But Supergirl is stronger than Superman, so I guess this means Supergir>Superman>Non/Ursa>Ursa>Supergirl? mmm
And it doesn't really matter if you argue Ursa isn't stronger than Kara, that she used technique. Even if you can prove Kara is stronger than Ursa, the fact is she needed no help to restrain Kara. Yet she had help from Non(likely the strongest Kryptonian after Superman) and still failed to restrain Kal.
Oh, and we have this, too.
I have no doubt the rage and grief Kara was going through at the moment would hinder her combat formidablity. But her strength? Er.....no. It just means she's even more unrestrained than usual. And Supes still grabs her leg and ragdolls her, then after taking a coupe unexpected punches that place him in an inferior position, catches her punch and ends the spat.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
No. Because I knew of at least one place where Doomsday was controlled, but at least two where Doomsday was intelligent but did not reveal it until later.So Superman had at least twice experienced Doomsday looking and acting at first mindless and monstrous but then going sophisticated on him.
That's precisely WHY I wrote this back on page 114.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=473829&pagenumber=114
Here's one of the other instances I was thinking of, taking place in 2001, some 4 years before Rucka wrote Sacrifice:
I wonder if you even read HUNTER/PREY or OWAW? In H/P, the most technical Doomsday got was breaking Superman's arm, which was much more brute strength than finesse. He just grabbed Superman's arm with one hand, and smashed it with the other arm. In OWAW, the most technical Doomsday got was ripping an Imperiex Probe's head off. And it's not like that was anything special, he just grabbed it and tore it off.
And REALLY? You say I posted scans that go against my argument, except there was context you left out/were ignorant of, and I'm reasonably sure I mentioned Brainiac was controlling Doomsday in my post you referred to, and then I correct you and you do NOT ADMIT YOUR ERROR? REALLY?
Also, I could be wrong, but I believe that was a different Doomsday in the scan you posted now. Even if I were wrong, Doomsday-Rex(I think the name was) did nothing in that comic to indicate he'd use the same types of tactics as Wonder Woman. And, he also proved incapable of keeping-up with Superman's speed.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Blue almost everytimeI have adressed one of ypur rebuttals you don't adress them at 100% then you keep posting and bring up new points, so ill take you are conceding the points you don't adress and just come up with new stuff on the fly?Anyway, I will address this properly in due time as I am currently very busy and in the middle of two other debates, but you are ignoring the evidence presented to you explaining why supergirl gave the impression of being stronger, you need people to post that again?
You should really think about what Rao said, Blue. You always do this. In that long, drawn-out "debate" we had on Superman vs Wonder Woman's strength on the Superman boards, you just kept ignoring evidence, arguments and questions, if you did acknowledge only partially, and when it got really bad for you, changed the subject.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm your new daddy. Deal with it.Well, he WAS in Mexico.
Superman is only the strongest because there were no other Kryptonian men?
5 No-Name Kryptonian soldiers while Zod is punching him in the face.
Gets tackled by Non(a genetic freak of Kryptonians) and despite his inferior position, catches Non's punch.
Ursa AND Non attempt to restrain Superman together, three times, and he breaks their attempt each time.
Hare to admit it but this was a good post.
Originally posted by Delta1938(Text and image wall of World of Krypton or Sterling Gates era submissions)
Delta, we could probably make some kind of headway if you actually read what I wrote for a change.
Unless I am gravely mistaken, everything you just gave above completely ignores what I actually typed in my previous post.
Review, please:
Originally posted by bluewaterriderIn point of fact Loeb posited Kara was actually stronger than Clark.
To me, both in comic book terms, AND in "real life" terms this makes complete sense,
at least from the 2003 to 2008 pre-"World of New Krypton" series, and above all before the Sterling Gates era.In other words, it makes sense for the time period of Greg Rucka's "Sacrifice" arc,
which was put smack in the middle of that 2003 to 2008 period.
Posting material from precisely the period I disqualified does nothing to counter my point. I really wish you would stop pretending it does.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Delta, we could probably make some kind of headway if you actually read what I wrote for a change.
Unless I am gravely mistaken, everything you just gave above completely ignores what I actually typed in my previous post.Review, please:
Posting material from precisely the period I disqualified does nothing to counter my point. I really wish you would stop pretending it does.
You would have a point if Loeb's storyline where Supergirl was stronger didn't end in Superman is the stronger, he just holds back and Kara doesn't have the same control over her powers. Wait, didn't you just do what you accused me of?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😕Which is what exactly?
Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't go by the Superman is stronger than Wonder Woman because he's a man, due to their different origins and power sources. I go by Superman is stronger because of his feats and showings, including blatantly overpowering Wonder Woman.But that logic applies to Superman/Supergirl. Supergirl being stronger than Superman is only going if, you know, you ignored the actual end of the storyline and we find-out Kara simply doesn't have Kal's restraint. Superman's got a lot of showings before and after that simply prove he's stronger. Your ignorance doesn't mean valid evidence doesn't exist, and you've been shown. He's caught her punch and sent her flying back, overpowered Ursa(who overwhelmed Kara) and Non AT ONCE, amongst numerous other examples. Your desire to put women ahead of men for whatever reason doesn't mean that you're correct.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Delta, we could probably make some kind of headway if you actually read what I wrote for a change.
Unless I am gravely mistaken, everything you just gave above completely ignores what I actually typed in my previous post.Review, please:
Posting material from precisely the period I disqualified does nothing to counter my point. I really wish you would stop pretending it does.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You would have a point if Loeb's storyline where Supergirl was stronger didn't end in Superman is the stronger, he just holds back and Kara doesn't have the same control over her powers. Wait, didn't you just do what you accused me of?
