Originally posted by quanchi112
You continue to repeat yourself. I have stated why I do what I do. I won't fall for your ridiculous posturing.Thanos vs. Superman straight up. You won't have it because you know deep down in your soul Thanos whoops his ass. He's always been above him.
So basically you lack the courage to back up your claims that thanos defeats a ciss of superman, I knew it, AWESOME!
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElA ciss of ? What the hell are you even babbling about ? I can't even understand your broken English most of the time. Stick to the topic and keep your rage to yourself.
So basically you lack the courage to back up your claims that thanos defeats a ciss of superman, I knew it, AWESOME!
WW wins.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI am not interested in ever repping WW. Superman is your favorite character and don't make this personal. I erect battlezone challenge threads over a matchup I want I don't cry over certain posters to accept the challenge.
😆 no you can't, let letters to fight your battles for you.
Originally posted by Delta1938... the heat vision Diana took really was weak sauce ...
Wonder Woman didn't do as well as you think in SACRIFICE ...
Interestingly, Sacrifice demonstrates that, even in a murderous rage, Wonder Woman CAN take Superman's heat vision, and apparently does so at more than one point. Indeed if that advert someone alluded to before, of Rucka having in mind the view that Superman's heat vision lessons in intensity after high level usage is true, it makes perfect sense that during the middle stages of an average fight, Diana can even "tank" heat vision, as she apparently does here.
Originally posted by Delta1938... the heat vision Diana took really was weak sauce ...
Wonder Woman didn't do as well as you think in SACRIFICE ...
The general matchup suggested in this thread isn't dependent solely on Sacrifice.
Rucka's story suggests Wonder Woman can survive the most murderous physical force Superman can randomly land on an opponent, including a 180 haymaker and heat vision to the face near the sun, but this also has to be factored against the likelihood of Superman successfully zapping her in the first place.
I can be convinced the fight could progress to a grappling match and Superman successfully vision her once they lock arms. Much harder to convince me he could score without her being immobile. As suggested earlier, Wonder Woman has good reflexes and, in her common, worn-nearly-all-the-time gear, bracers , which can easily deflect and/or redirect any laser/concentrated light assaults.
Note that she demonstrates the ability to deflect such shots even when caught by surprise:
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
At best, were you able to get this point, it would be a case of tu quoque.
(This is a real and non-vulgar term. Look it up.)
Ironic.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm actually considering far more evidence than you realize.
Are you talking about evidence for Supergirl and Wonder Woman being>Superman? If so, I really doubt it. I may even go as far to say you're lying. You keep arguing and arguing they are, but rarely provide anything. You largely just find ways to dismiss evidence you don't like, post stuff irrelevant but you argue is relevant, or, if things get really bad for you, change the subject. You've said you have evidence, but come-up short. I've even offered to post it for you, if you have me issue references, since you said your ability to post scans is fairly limited. But you didn't accept. I don't even recall you acknowledging the offer.
Basically, I see you like George R.R. Martin on SOUTH PARK. He keeps promising the dragons are coming, and they're going to be AMAZING. And that he ordered pizzas, they're on their way, and they're going to be the GREATEST pizzas Butters and the diabetic kid(Scott I think?) have ever had. But, all he gives is this.
Yeah, I pretty much see you like that. Lots of talk, failure to deliver, and giving something irrelevant when pressed.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Serious question. Why do you bother with name-calling opponents who DON'T do the same to you and run from or ignore the people that do?Quan gives you as good as he gets and you avoid him like the plague.
Have I ever taken to insulting you like that? Calling you ignorant, etcetera?
It's even more glaring for what you revealed to me in private message.
You really think this is how you should conduct yourself, or even how you can win an argument ignoring said revelation?
This may come as a shock, but I actually have some respect for you as a person. Not so much as a debater, but you seem pretty ok as a person. Quanny, on the other hand, I have no respect for either way. Quanny is a troll. She intentionally comes to antagonize others. I've gotten into it with Quanny many times, and due to many warnings, even getting a temp ban once, have decided to put Quanny on ignore. I do admit I sometimes check her posts out of curiosity, but by and large I ignore the diva now.
And I don't treat you super nice, but I treat you much better than Quanny when I actually reply to her. If we were on HeroChat where the mods and admins let people bash and flame and troll all they want(and even participate), I wouldn't treat you much differently, but I would take the gloves off with Quanny.
Also, if you're referring to what I think you are about the PM, I find it odd you would've asked my opinion in the first place, since I agree one would have to have a fair degree of familiarity, and if you're so shocked by my answer, I don't know why you would think I would be in the first place. I guess this might be why you didn't reply.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
As for retcons, though, they DO happen and HAVE happened, in the case of Supergirl, Superman, AND Wonder Woman.It's pointless for you to deny that.
Not necessarily at the same time, though.
I never denied retcons happen, but one of the problems with your argument is the fact that you previously tried to dismiss Superman performing better than Kara against Luthor in his Apokolisian(Apokolitian?) armor despite all that Kryptonite(plus other stuff) was her Kryptonite poisoning, which was a retcon. If you're arguing their comparisons under Loeb, that retcon is irrelevant, as that was not Loeb's intention.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Supergirl, for example, is a relatively stable character in terms of history and characteristics from 2004, the date of her re-introduction by Jeph Loeb, until about 2008, when the World of New Krypton storyline takes place and Sterling Gates takes over as her writer.During that four year period, nearly EVERYTHING, and I mean nearly EVERYTHING, gels with the argument that she is, in fact, stronger than her cousin.
Her origin planet is Birthright's Krypton, a heavy gravity world which would just about crush an ordinary human, a phenomenon explored by the relatively famous writer Mark Waid in the Legion of Super-Heroes series.
She is exposed to MASSIVE amounts of Kryptonite radiation, something apparently true even before the retcon, and she is likewise exposed to massive amounts of solar radiation.
Her power is considerable even before she sees Earth's yellow sun with her own consciously aware teenaged eyes, and she responds better to sunlight than her cousin.
Her powers were considerable before she saw Earth's sunlight, but passed-out from Batman putting a fairly small chunk of Kryptonite in front of her? mmm
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Greg Rucka has her as the physical superior of Ultraman, who has always been shown as a match for Superman on those terms if not others, and Joe Kelly reinforces the point.
Incorrect. The Ultraman that Supergirl fought is not the Ultraman you think it was. And I'm not taking the different costume(although the costume is completely different). The Ultraman you're comparing to Superman is from an antimatter universe, is powered by Kryptonite from that universe(not sunlight), is an altered human(Clark Kent nearly dying from a hyperspace explosion or something, and aliens rebuilding him), and he was married to Superwoman, and his Earth was, IIRC, unaware of parallel universes until their Luthor went to the JLA's world.
The Ultraman that Supergirl faced had witnessed the COIE, had survived in the Phantom Zone, was powered by sunlight, raised by Saturn Queen, and unmarried. His personality was also much different. And he was constantly referred to as "Kal-El," with no reference to being Clark Kent, or from an antimatter world. If you try to argue the Ultraman from THE BRAVE & THE BOLD, that appeared to be yet another incarnation of Ultraman, despite common elements.
So, unless you have anything else for the Ultraman that Supergirl came off looking physically superior to, you're arguing Supergirl>Superman because she beat down an Ultraman whose only feats are losing to Supergirl. The only time I'm aware of where Supergirl faced the Ultraman you mistakenly thought she beat, he beat her off-panel. We don't know WHAT happened, but that doesn't help your argument. Also, I must note I find it odd that you're arguing fights after all the times you've tried to argue Superman or Orion or Captain Marvel aren't stronger than Wonder Woman based on fights.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Without significant fight training as a metahuman, she nevertheless gets the best of every Superman analog she encounters that I'M aware of, stopping only with Clark himself, who has had perhaps 20 years of experience in battle, and should be EXPECTED to win against anyone who is not VASTLY his superior.
er Kara had trained for a while among the Amazons, so it's not like she was completely clueless.
And she gets the best of every Superman analogue(I believe you used the wrong word, but I'm not positive)? Who did she best? I remember her facing Power Girl, them being around each other caused weird things, and the fight was interrupted. And Superman>>(at least)Power Girl. Dark Kara? Basically fighting a more formidable version of herself and she didn't best her. Bizarro? I do recall that she encountered him, but don't remember an actual fight. Ultraman? Unless you have anything else, that Ultraman has no feats or showings other than losing to Supergirl twice. And Power Girl helped a bit in the first fight. And Superman holds back, Supergirl doesn't have his restraint. Looking at how he's reacted to her, I'd say he holds back even more than usual against her.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
She continues on this way, consistently doing better against a number of opponents who otherwise trash Superman until after she has reached 17 in "formal" Earth years and ... World of Krypton.Where she is quietly replaced with a different version of herself.
With a different history, different reality, and different age.
No longer from a heavy gravity world, but from some kind of asteroid.
No longer a 17 year old but all of 15.
No longer the daughter of Zor-el a scientist, but ...Well, I'm not really sure what they thought they were having Zor-el do in Gates' series.
Anyway, the point is that 2004 to 2008 Kara is one character and entirely different than the one we see from 2008 on, as is Wonder Woman. As, presumably, is Clark.
One: Let's see you name these characters she "consistently does better against" that "trash" Superman. And issue references. I do think I know an example you'll bring-up. That Japanese "hatemonger" or whatever dude? The one who was like Hulk, except he got stronger from the hate and anger of his opponents? Yeah, like THAT'S a valid example considering Kara's conflicting emotions, brought-up in that very fight.
Two: This "a different character" thing is weak. It's pretty much the same thing as this guy I know who's a Thor fanboy/Superman hater who says there's two versions of Thor and two versions of Darkseid(when Superman beating Darkseid is brought-up). Characters do have changes, but to the way you're arguing? It's a cheap and easy way to justify ignoring showings you don't like. I'm not buying it. It's not an acceptable argument, it's an EXCUSE.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
For Wonder Woman you can see this progression, which becomes especially apparent if you journey to the years before 2003 and start noting the capability or non-capabilities of the character.You yourself pointed much of this out to me.
These aren't insignificant differences either.
For example, the 2001 version of Wonder Woman, the Our Worlds at War (OWAW) era Wonder Woman cannot breathe in space unaided. In order to battle Primaid she has to hold her breath. Is that ANYTHING like the most current version of pre-Flashpoint Wonder Woman that we know of, who shortly afterward in JLA #58 helped moved the moon in space at great speed to thwart a Martian plan to establish Earth as an airless (and thus flameless) citadel from which they could conquer the Universe?
You mean where she seemed to hold her breath for the pretty brief time they were actually in space before bringing the Moon into Earth's atmosphere?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Could OWAW Wonder Woman have survived the summit to freezing upper atmosphere she exposed Genocide to and plummet back to Earth?
Although she needed an air supply both times, she showed no problems being in the cold/vacuum of space in JLA #1 and GREEN LANTERN: CIRCLE OF FIRE, and being fine in space other than holding her breath fighting Primaid, all a few years before OWAW. As for heat, she was touching Asmodel's chariot without TOO much trouble when she knew it'd burn her(I think that would be worse than reentry heat), and in JLA/TITANS she caught a piece of debris flaming from reentry(and it was still glowing as she held it). I do believe there's other examples where she's taken energy worse than reentry heat, like that Imperiex Probe explosion. Yeah, it damn near killed her even in armor, but the energy in those should be so much worse than reentry heat that the heat should be little by comparison. I don't think taking Genocide into space and enduring reentry heat on her way back shows any significant improvements in durability.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Could OWAW Wonder Woman even have survived the 20 million mile plus trip Superman subjects her to open out Sacrifice?
Or would she have suffocated long before they reached his destination?
Considering the speeds they were going, yep she could've survived. It's the trip back if Superman didn't punch her back to Earth that's the question. They were likely gone for less than a minute, I think Wonder Woman can hold her breath a lot longer than that, even if she was being straned. Really, this is a stupid question. I don't think you put too much thought into it.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Why does it make sense to you to talk about characters who cannot do even the things we're taking for granted for the OP's general argument?
What about the OP?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
OWAW Wonder Woman could not survive Sacrifice Superman.
But Sacrifice Wonder Woman can. And did.
She did via extenuating circumstances. The interview you cite backs this. Rucka himself said that. Stating she didn't reach the same emotional level as he did does not contradict her barely holding back. It was quite clear without the interview that her fighting smarter and his handicapped state of not knowing who he was fighting is what allowed her to survive. Otherwise, he proved he could easily overpower her even before he thought Doomsday killed Lois, and he had little problem taking her into space until she eye gouged him and kneed him in the groin, which isn't as likely to succeed had he known who he was facing. I already commented on your argument of her attacking with her tiara.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
But if you want to go that way, OWAW Wonder Woman could not survive Sacrifice Wonder Woman, either, were you somehow able to set the 2 different versions one against the other.
I'm sure Wonder Woman around the time of OWAW could've survived and even won had she also had the same extenuating circumstances in her favor. In fact, she did survive and get a win via similar extenuating circumstances against Superman just after OWAW. Not saying it was exactly the same, but similar enough.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
From the progression we see after that point, it's possible to argue 2008 to 2010 Wonder Woman would take Sacrifice Diana down. Wonder Woman by then had progressed to the point she could and did punch out a thermonuclear warhead, admiring the explosion for being "almost lovely". Can anyone in their right mind see OWAW Diana doing that and even surviving, let alone blithely returning to Earth to teach the people who fired the rocket a lesson?
You mean because she was nearly killed by that Impriex Probe explosion despite being in armor? Well, far as I can tell, that energy would've been Entropy. Basically what will destroy the universe. Not just the universe. IIRC it'll even end The Endless(no pun intended), and what was used by Parallax and I think Extant to destroy the entire space/time continuum in ZERO HOUR. Obviously, Diana was hit with far less than universe busting(let alone timeline eliminating, Endless killing level) energy, but that shows the LEVEL of power from that energy. Even that comparatively miniscule explosion(in regards to size) of Entropy energy should make even a city-busting strategic nuke weaksauce by comparison.
Also, a side note. I find it funny that she wasn't 100% sure about the missile she could see that was carrying the nuke, but she was certain the warhead, which she couldn't see inside, was thermonuclear.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
When you go back before 2003, you're not talking any longer about things that are truly relevant, Delta.
I don't think you've really brought-up any good examples.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It has little if anything to do with preference.
Lack of evidence, stated preference for female characters, showing to back that preference, stated hatred for Superman.....I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Please give the specific example and/or a link to the page it appears on.
This is too vague for me to understand what you're talking about.
When I posted how Brainiac-Doomsday casually handled Wonder Woman in DOOMSDAY WARS, you brought-up him kneeing Wonder Woman as some evidence Superman should've expected Doomsday to use technique(and saying it was something I myself brought up), then did not admit your error when corrected that it was Brainiac in control.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If I think something is relevant to the discussion, I address it.
If I don't, I don't.Sometimes I overlook things, though, because you don't seem in the least serious about getting the question answered.
I'm not buying that. I know nobody's perfect(I'm sure I've missed questions or points you've made, Hell, I know there's times I made a basic response in my head when reading a post, but then when replying forgot to address a point or question), but you make a HABIT of ignoring points and questions, even when asked repeatedly.
And considering in some cases it was in response to something YOU brought-up, I find it total BS you would find it irrelevant(you sure as Hell aren't making an honest mistake about something brought-up 5 times). If you didn't find it relevant, you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place, and ignoring being proven wrong or exposed of your lack of context seals the deal.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderWay to get those questions you really want answered actually answered, though, is to simply present the single question you want answered.
Repeatedly. If there's ten questions, present them singly, not as a group of ten.It's not like we're short on time here. The mere fact that we're on page 100-something of a thread started several years ago should tell you there's no particular preoccupation with time on KMC.
Stop sending me text walls with 10 or more items to address requiring a paragraph apiece to address and you should find that problem virtually disappear.
Wall of text or well structured comment, I highly doubt you'd reply either way to things that paint you into a corner. Since, you know, you typically dodge evidence. Even change the subject completely after finding-out that path won't go well for you.
Let me guess. Are you going to find me pointing-out you were wrong about Ultraman as irrelevant?
Are you going to find me pointing-out Wonder Woman, aside from needing to hold her breath or have an air supply, being fine in the cold and vacuum of space? What about the examples that have her being ok to fine with heat comparable or worse to reentry heat? Is all that irrelevant now that it means her fight with Genocide doesn't show any significant improvements(if any) to her durability?
What about the thermonuke which you seemed to find a big improvement compared to the Imperiex Probe? Granted, you could've been referring to something else, but if not, is it suddenly irrelevant now that the energy she endured there makes a thermonuclear explosion look like a firecracker by comparison?
What pointing-out you previously dismissed Superman's and Supergirl's comparative performances against Luthor despite Superman's much greater Kryptonite handicap due to a retcon, and me telling why it's irrelevant when you yourself are trying to compare them under Loeb?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The hair-length WAS consistent. You can see it right in the story. Dark Kara is long-haired. Light Kara is short-haired. If you don't think so, check the artwork. It's fairly straightforward. Perhaps Salsa will be kind enough to give us some scans for examination; presuming you yourself are not able to.
Not really relevant to my point, and I have the comics. BTW, Rao HATES being called "Salsa." That's why he changed his username.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Pretty sure I answered this before.
Nearly EVERYONE in the "Power" series arc you're describing (Superman/Batman #19 + Supergirl Volume 5 #1-5) drew blood from Kara after Supergirl #3 began.
But none of those punches discouraged her, did they?
You see exactly ONE on-panel punch from Wonder Woman compared to the multitude of attacks Superman uses, though.
Whose Kara do we directly see challenging after that? (Answer: NOT Wonder Woman's Kara ...)
I believe you're doing what you've accused me of, except you're doing a very bad job justifying your stance. And I'll show why.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Pretty sure when I argued this that I was using the kryptonite of Grace and Thunder handcuffs and Luthor's green kryptonite lance along with the black kryptonite ray that split Kara into 2 people, not the meteor exposure. If I did, yes a retcon probably DOES say that, but I would be among the first to say that was a retcon; debate-able if Loeb intended such a thing to be part of his original series.
No, you dismissed Superman being more effected by Kryptonite by citing a retcon. Which has no relevance if arguing how Loeb portrayed them. Considering the missiles were destroyed by the asteroid's radioactivity, and Kara was felled by a small bit of Kryptonite when Batman first encountered her, seems pretty clear that ship protected her.
But anyways, to the comparative performances. I highly doubt you read the Public Enemies storyline, so I'll go over the timeline and relevant info. For one, Loeb stated in an interview that Superman would start feeling the radiation when it got around Neptune. In the storyline, Luthor is advised they could be feeling the radiation when it passes Saturn. The interview statement and the scientific assessment in the comic don't really contradict each other, since Superman would be more sensitive to it than people on Earth. When it passes Saturn, Superman starts fighting what seems to be the Pre-CRISIS Superman(based on a reference to the Pre-CRISIS story WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW? when the plot-thread with him ends). Oh, and PC Superman is trying to kill Superman.
Now it's not clear whether it IS having an effect on his performance or not, but it's there and we know it'll get stronger as it gets closer, for a cumulative effect.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20VS--/Heroes/Miscellaneous/PC-Superman
Then, at night(so essentially no sunlight) and obviously the meteor closer, so it's increased. He faces a bunch of villains, including Nightshade, whose energy drains him.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20VS%20Teams/EndlessVillains
THEN after that, when it looks like it passes Jupiter, Superman faces the assault team sent to arrest him. Batman helps with some, and two Superman directly faces aren't really siding with Luthor, but they'd have to make it look good, and, ya know, Superman's already fought another team(including having energy drained) and apparently the PC Superman, all while Kryptonite is effecting him to a steadily increasing degree.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20VS%20Teams/AssaultTeam
After that, Supes, Bats, PeeGee and Katan are confronted by the team again, Superman gets blasted by Major Force. And remember, as time goes by, the Kryptonite exposure is increasing. After all that? What's next?
Superman fights Captain Marvel. And before the fight, we have three things pounding away that Loeb is having Superman effected by the Kryptonite. Power Girl and Katan both notice Superman is going slowly, Batman speculating(even if unsure) that Superman is feeling it, and Superman asking Power Girl if she "feels" "anything in the air" and being surprised that she doesn't(and citing she recently reacted to Kryptonite). So Superman's feeling it even if he soldiers on.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20VS--/Heroes/Captain%20Marvel/S-B%204
AFTER THAT? Took a punch to the face from the Claw Of Horus that was compared to being hit by the Earth itself(so, basically an Earth-Buster) and fell a fair distance, "played possum," beat Captain Marvel off-panel(sneak attack) and went back to Washington from Japan. Then after?
We get Superman temporarily let the accumulative effects of the Kryptonite(and I'd assume all that fighting and the energy drain and hit by Major Force and Claw Of Horus) get to him, then he sucks it up and.....gets blasted by Captain Atom focusing his energy through Batman's Kryptonite ring. And it takes KOs him. Well, we don't know exactly how long Superman's out, but clearly that's going to be a little bit of a big deal. It looks pretty shortly after, he recovers, and fights Luthor, who also blasts him, I assume with Kryptonite. Superman basically pounds on Luthor until he overcomes Luthor's force field and damages the armor.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Luthor/Armor/S-B_6
Let's compare that to Supergirl and Dark Kara's performances. You were saying you factored the Kryptonite cuffs? um Didn't you know she had them at 5%?
She specifically set it to that so she could dramatically break out of them. And before she encountered Luthor, flew around under the Sun, which I think would rid her of what little would have been in her. No, I'm not being inconsistent or using a double standard if you argue Superman had been in the Sun in PUBLIC ENEMIES. It's not the same at all. And I don't think you can compare everything Superman faced to Kara having a sparring session with a few of the Outsiders.
Now, for the fight itself? She encounters Luthor, gets blasted with.....I guess Krypotnite augmented electricity, then hit with just a beam, grabbed by the throat, she kicks him to no real effect(bloodies him, maybe takes out a tooth, but barely turns his head), she tries heat visioning him but he puts-up a shield and apparently more electricity, and then beats her senseless, before hitting her with black Kryptonite.
Note how Luthor doesn't have a protective force-field here like he did against Superman, which Superman had to overcome, and did(and the armor TOLD Luthor it was happening). So, Superman, while far more weakened and worn than Supergirl, beat down Luthor despite the force field, where SG got beat down with far less Kryptonite exposure and no force field. Kara even says "Two seconds and I know I'm in way over my head" and "This might be cliched, but this is a job for Superman." I'm sure you'll make an argument that it's because Superman is more experienced, but it certainly doesn't help your argument. I normally don't put too much stock in statements, but these are stated(via narration) BY Kara as she's getting owned, so it holds a bit more weight than just throwing lip service around.
Now, comparing Dark Kara's performance? She DID do better than Supergirl, but that's because she fought more effectively, making better use of her powers. She certainly comes off looking more FORMIDABLE and EFFECTIVE than Superman by comparison, but this would be because of smarter use of powers. Not being more powerful, not at all, as she used technique and versatility against a no force-field protected Luthor and Supes went toe-to-toe slugging it out with a force-field protected Luthor until it went out and he broke the armor by punching it(where Dark Kara hit it with heat vision, freeze breath then basically used a joint lock on the heated/super-cooled armor).
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Supergirl/Dark%20Kara/SG4_Luthor
Dark Kara did get shanked, though not by a "Kryptonite lance." We see glowing, so perhaps it radiated Kryptonite radiation, but, again, I hardly see it being in the same league as everything Superman took. The black Kryptonite? You have to prove it had any effect other than "freeing" Dark Kara from Supergirl. Going by Dark Kara's performance against Luthor, if we assume that Dark Kara and Supergirl were weakened by this, halved in power, whatever, that would mean that Dark Kara is so much more effective and formidable with her powers that she should absolutely own Supergirl with ease. How did their brawl go down?
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Supergirl/Dark%20Kara/Fight
Dark Kara does come off looking better than Supergirl, but not to the degree she should if they were weakened to the degree you seem to be arguing, considering comparative performances of Supergirl before being hit by black Kryptonite to Dark Kara after Supergirl was hit by black Kryptonite. I don't think it weakened them at all, simply had that weird effect.
But, I'm going to guess, all of this is suddenly irrelevant?
