Superman vs. Wonder Woman

Started by abhilegend155 pages

Full scans of Doomsday vs Wonder Woman.

Damn, it wasn't even a contest. Even HP Doomsday never owned preboot Wonder Woman that hard.

http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla8.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla10.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla11.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla12.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla13.jpg

While it got stronger with every next appearance.

http://i.imgur.com/FOpEwrK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iZhqbFX.jpg

Superman vs Doomsday.

What say you Carver?

My boy Superman is a beast.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Max was giving him directions. At the time of tiara throw he was bound in the lasso.

Ok, now you're just making stuff up 🙂 Nothing indicated he was giving Superman mid-fight directions like 'dodge now' (nor is Maxwell Lord exactly fast enough to do so), plus he wasn't even present at that section of the fight to do so, he was well back at Checkmate base many miles away.

Sure, the illusion was on... but the illusion didn't drop when the lasso went on, it was when Diana told him to drop it, explicitly.

Also, if the illusion was dropped the moment the lasso went around him, that'd hurt your argument, since it'd mean there's nothing preventing Superman from seeing the tiara.

You're trying to argue that the illusion was down and up at the same time, but only in a way that benefits your argument.


"What is Max making him see now."

Vastly different scenarios.

Well, considering no illusions were dropped yet... it's literally the same scenario.

You're arguing that the illusion is still up but now suddenly working different *completely* unmentioned or hinted at in the comic.

Which is a version long dead.

So? Ranged attacks coming from DD are not something that'd thrown him or would conflict with his visions.

Considering he shows awareness of both the location of weapons and where Diana actually is- remember he tried strangling her too- you're reaching really far.


He dodged the lasso because he was given directions by Max. And yes, he was aiming at a larger body than her. Here he is looking directly at her and HV goes above her shoulders.

Or to be more precise, it goes a few inches to the side of her head while she's moving rapidly, right after she dodged a different one of his attacks that was aimed at her head level and well below DD's head, right after he successfully pulls her wrist back to break it, which also makes no sense on DD's frame, yet he knew where to grab just fine.

And you're still making up 'Max micromanaging' to begin with. Like Maxwell Lord could even hope to keep up with a fight between those two, putting aside we were told that Max doesn't need to actively control Superman, he conditioned him so all he has to do is trigger it- the first time he did so was over the phone and had no nosebleed, after all.

Face it, you got nothing. You're having to make up several things clearly not in the fight, and ignore some things that are in the fight, to try and twist things around.

Originally posted by Q99
Ok, now you're just making stuff up 🙂 Nothing indicated he was giving Superman mid-fight directions like 'dodge now' (nor is Maxwell Lord exactly fast enough to do so), plus he wasn't even present at that section of the fight to do so, he was well back at Checkmate base many miles away.

Making stuff now? It was outright stated in the comic.

He was seeing the whole fight via live feed.

Maybe you should read the comic again.

Sure, the illusion was on... but the illusion didn't drop when the lasso went on, it was when Diana told him to drop it, explicitly.

Yes, but he was unable to give any orders to Superman at that time. So comparing both situations is totally misdirecting.

Also, if the illusion was dropped the moment the lasso went around him, that'd hurt your argument, since it'd mean there's nothing preventing Superman from seeing the tiara.

That's not my argument. Read again.

You're trying to argue that the illusion was down and up at the same time, but only in a way that benefits your argument.

Then perhaps you should read my post again. It's max Lord who made him Dodge the lasso. Not disputable.

Well, considering no illusions were dropped yet... it's literally the same scenario.

You're arguing that the illusion is still up but now suddenly working different *completely* unmentioned or hinted at in the comic.

It was an illusion and Max was controlling and giving him orders. It was directly stated in the very scene you're talking about.

So? Ranged attacks coming from DD are not something that'd thrown him or would conflict with his visions.

It wasn't a range attack as shown in AOS 643. Doomsday just reached across the room and slit his throat.

Considering he shows awareness of both the location of weapons and where Diana actually is- remember he tried strangling her too- you're reaching really far.

Yes, he tried strangling her as directed by Max. It's not that hard.

And no, he didn't show any awareness to her weapons. It was shown outright that he was fighting Doomsday in his mind.

How can he show awareness of her weapons? You're going against the basic premise of the comic.

Or to be more precise, it goes a few inches to the side of her head while she's moving rapidly, right after she dodged a different one of his attacks that was aimed at her head level and well below DD's head, right after he successfully pulls her wrist back to break it, which also makes no sense on DD's frame, yet he knew where to grab just fine.

She is moving in a straight line and he still missed her. By seeing her.

You're just being ridiculous at this point. Grabbing her arm while she is right in front of him is him bring aware of her size but seeing her moving in a straight line and still missing her isn't?

facepalm


And you're still making up 'Max micromanaging' to begin with. Like Maxwell Lord could even hope to keep up with a fight between those two, putting aside we were told that Max doesn't need to actively control Superman, he conditioned him so all he has to do is trigger it- the first time he did so was over the phone and had no nosebleed, after all.

Still with this? And Max was flat out controlling him everytime after that.

He made him attack Batman and when he regained control, he made him black out.

Have you even read the comic?

Face it, you got nothing. You're having to make up several things clearly not in the fight, and ignore some things that are in the fight, to try and twist things around.

Yeah, your entire MO is "you're just making stuff up."

It never worked in the past, why do you think it will work now?

Sacrifice isn't particularly favorable to Wonder Woman as WW fangirls like to think.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman surprised her and punched her from the sun back to earth and then froze. Completely different than freezing someone that's prepared. Which beings as he frozen that's stronger than her and also have the Bracers she has?

Why didn't his reflexes prevent that tiara attack from slicing his throat?

LOL. This has already been answered many times over in this thread. He was hallucinating. DUH. He didn't realize his opponent had a razor magical sharp tiara. Why would he? DD has never wielded one. So he probably didn't think whatever was thrown at him was a real threat to him. Also, it's been shown on numerous occasions that a character who is being being mind-controlled has their senses and speed dulled. Superman was not operating at his best in that fight regardless of how angry he was. He was severly handi-capped. That's only been mentioned in this thread liike 2 billion times.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Full scans of Doomsday vs Wonder Woman.

Damn, it wasn't even a contest. Even HP Doomsday never owned preboot Wonder Woman that hard.

http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla8.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla10.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla11.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla12.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla13.jpg

While it got stronger with every next appearance.

http://i.imgur.com/FOpEwrK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iZhqbFX.jpg

Superman vs Doomsday.

That's Diana worse showing and Superman best fight. The rest of his fights isn't close to being as impressive and he has far more losses than wins. His track record isn't so great. Do you have any fights with him that he has won without it involving some type of plot vs a Herald. Doomsday IS his best showing and Diana track record against Heralds far outweigh his. She just looks better in combat...especially against him.

You can bring up the Doomsday fight all you want because that is literally his best showing in combat where he actually defeated someone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, he stopped himself.

Superman doesn't needs anything. Once he gets his hands on her, it's light out for her.

Also Lulz @ having an arm outside.

Lol...she made him stop you numnut. He couldn't break free. He loss bro...anyone with eyes can see that. He couldn't even touch her.

Originally posted by Star428

... razor magical sharp tiara ... DD has never wielded one. So he probably didn't think whatever was thrown at him was a real threat to him..

Tell 'em, Star.

With the way Carver and Q are talking, you would think Doomsday was capable of not only hurting but killing Superman. As if those spiky protrusions of Doomsday's aimed at Superman's throat could even SCRATCH Superman, let alone cause him enough damage to worry about. Does he really think Doomsday could even land a finger on Superman against his will?
But I guess that's just how it is for some readers. They look at something like Doomsday landing blow after blow on Superman and Superman collapsing afterwards and think Superman can be hit and seriously hurt by someone on Doomsday's level. Can you even imagine how someone could trust what they see printed in comic books that way? I bet they don't even realize the reason people say Superman once lost to Doomsday is that Superman fell asleep from boredom fighting someone so insignificant to him.
In fact, didn't Doomsday die from that blow Superman gave him? Superman probably didn't even mean to hurt Doomsday. He just wanted to sleep before going back to work at the Daily Planet.

For a couple days.

Or maybe a couple of weeks.

I forget.

That's what you call a "power nap". Just that Superman's version is more powerful than most people realize. Am I not right? You'd be forgiven for thinking Superman was beaten into a coma, though. Writers fool readers like Q by writing stories like that. They fool them badly, and it's a crying shame. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Q told us Doomsday could beat Superman down singly and bare-handed at this rate ...

Originally posted by carver9
That's Diana worse showing and Superman best fight. The rest of his fights isn't close to being as impressive and he has far more losses than wins. His track record isn't so great. Do you have any fights with him that he has won without it involving some type of plot vs a Herald. Doomsday IS his best showing and Diana track record against Heralds far outweigh his. She just looks better in combat...especially against him.

So you're just going to ignore it because it doesn't looks good for her?

But what about Darkseid? Or H'el? Or Wraith?

What Herald has she beaten?

Originally posted by carver9
You can bring up the Doomsday fight all you want because that is literally his best showing in combat where he actually defeated someone.

Yes, because he hasn't beaten the likes of Hal. Or Wraith. Or nearly matched Darkseid. Or brought H'el to his knees.

What heralds Diana beat without an external amp of GOW?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...she made him stop you numnut. He couldn't break free. He loss bro...anyone with eyes can see that. He couldn't even touch her.

😂

You're just repeating yourself now. Already lost, eh?

Originally posted by Q99
Ok, now you're just making stuff up 🙂 Nothing indicated he was giving Superman mid-fight directions like 'dodge now' (nor is Maxwell Lord exactly fast enough to do so), plus he wasn't even present at that section of the fight to do so, he was well back at Checkmate base many miles away.

Sure, the illusion was on... but the illusion didn't drop when the lasso went on, it was when Diana told him to drop it, explicitly.

Also, if the illusion was dropped the moment the lasso went around him, that'd hurt your argument, since it'd mean there's nothing preventing Superman from seeing the tiara.

You're trying to argue that the illusion was down and up at the same time, but only in a way that benefits your argument.

Well, considering no illusions were dropped yet... it's literally the same scenario.

You're arguing that the illusion is still up but now suddenly working different *completely* unmentioned or hinted at in the comic.

So? Ranged attacks coming from DD are not something that'd thrown him or would conflict with his visions.

Considering he shows awareness of both the location of weapons and where Diana actually is- remember he tried strangling her too- you're reaching really far.

Or to be more precise, it goes a few inches to the side of her head while she's moving rapidly, right after she dodged a different one of his attacks that was aimed at her head level and well below DD's head, right after he successfully pulls her wrist back to break it, which also makes no sense on DD's frame, yet he knew where to grab just fine.

And you're still making up 'Max micromanaging' to begin with. Like Maxwell Lord could even hope to keep up with a fight between those two, putting aside we were told that Max doesn't need to actively control Superman, he conditioned him so all he has to do is trigger it- the first time he did so was over the phone and had no nosebleed, after all.

Face it, you got nothing. You're having to make up several things clearly not in the fight, and ignore some things that are in the fight, to try and twist things around.

But you agree that it absolutely makes no sense for Superman to see a tiara or a lasso. The lasso is basically a rope in which can be seen but the Tiara is part of Diana's costume and it is top priority he doesn't see DD wearing it. So it's possible he sees the rope (not thinking it's a lasso) and not the tiara. Because, really, neither makes sense for him to actually see. Maybe it's a writer's mistake (the lasso scene).

Originally posted by Q99
Note, he responded to the lasso earlier, he was *not* ignoring attacks even when they were ones DD doesn't have.

Also, Doomsday does have a thrown cutty attack anyway as-of H/P, the bone spikes.

'He thought he was fighting Doomsday' doesn't change that he was aiming where stuff should hurt on Diana, not DD- he went for her wrist, not DD's gargantuan wrist. He dodged the lasso, which doesn't remotely correspond to any of DD's attacks. He never aimed anywhere except right at her.

Can you post the scan? Again, it can be writer's mistake. He's not supposed to see a lasso or a tiara. It makes no sense. Assuming he saw bony spikes instead of a tiara is making stuff up.

Edit: I just saw the scan. He did not try to avoid a lasso. He simply was flying.

It needs to be noted that I can't recall Doomsday ever using those bone spike projectiles outside of the H/P storyline.

Oh, and he beats down Wonder Woman. Especially since people seem to be talking about post crisis versions..and post crisis Supes has blitzed and bitchslapped WW away before she had enough time to bring down her weapon onto a machine she was standing right in front of. Superman was across the room when he told her not to touch it. She went to try anyways. She learned that when Superman tells you not to touch some shit you don't touch it and if you do touch it be prepared for one epic b*tch slap.

It's the same story where he destroys one of her magical weapons by *flicking his blood at it*.

The guy is just plain better then Wonder Woman in every way that matters, save for fighting skill. Oh she has a nicer set of boobies too. That is something, right guys? She looks better in a bikini then Superman does. These are all solid victories for WW.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you're just going to ignore it because it doesn't looks good for her?

But what about Darkseid? Or H'el? Or Wraith?

What Herald has she beaten?
Yes, because he hasn't beaten the likes of Hal. Or Wraith. Or nearly matched Darkseid. Or brought H'el to his knees.

What heralds Diana beat without an external amp of GOW?
😂

You're just repeating yourself now. Already lost, eh?

So he defeated H'el? Scans.

Scans of him beating Darkseid. Darkseid one shot koed him.

PLOT with Wraith. Major plot. 2 things of plot. I'm asking you to name fights he has WON without any circumstances involved. Is this hard for you to do.?

She defeated Supergirl and Mongul (who was borderline helpless against her). She also defeated an amped Superman, Ares, and First Born.

She worked both Faora and Zod and Zod individually had an advantage over Superman. Then look at the scan I just posted of her vs a God. The same God Supes couldn't stop.

Forgetting of course that Gods are plot devices against Superman, and not against the God of War....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Forgetting of course that Gods are plot devices against Superman, and not against the God of War....

Interesting.

Originally posted by Surtur
It needs to be noted that I can't recall Doomsday ever using those bone spike projectiles outside of the H/P storyline.

That was the only time, yes.

Doomsday Wars, he was just a really tough brick. And most showings since haven't been at that level (World of Krypton Kryptonians would have been slaughtered by Doomsday Wars or Hunter/Prey Doomsday).

Originally posted by h1a8
But you agree that it absolutely makes no sense for Superman to see a tiara or a lasso. The lasso is basically a rope in which can be seen but the Tiara is part of Diana's costume and it is top priority he doesn't see DD wearing it. So it's possible he sees the rope (not thinking it's a lasso) and not the tiara. Because, really, neither makes sense for him to actually see. Maybe it's a writer's mistake (the lasso scene).

The writer obviously meant to convey that Max gave Superman a mental command to avoid the lasso. That was implied in the comic when Diana said "It looks like he knows what I'm going to do before I do it." He had control of Clark's mind. As was stated earlier, Clark didn't know to dodge the tiara because he didn't realize that's what it actually was (and he tanks stuff all the time so why dodge?) AND Max was under the control of the lasso at the time. Regardless, Clark was severly handicapped in that battle and he still showed that even with the disadvantage he was way above Diana. If he knew who he was actually fighting then he would've been well prepared to dodge the tiara because he would've had the full extent of his senses and speed. They wouldn't have been dulled as they were in that fight.

Oh, and LMFAO @ Carver's "that was Diana's worst showing and Superman's best fight". It's clear he's just trolling now and should be reported. He has it ass backwards, obviously. That was her best and Superman was severely handicapped.