Feats far outwigh statements.
Ofcourse i can if i feel its relevant. In a standard fight her enery output is nothing. Or is everyone else rating thor's strength as his WM levels???
Combat speed is how fast you attack & react to attacks. He has both on her. Again feats far outweigh statements.
Originally posted by khazra
In matches between just them he's shown himself to be too fast for her. Outside of the zoom feat cap, sabretooth & gambit have feats comparable to her top speed feats. Slade has dodge superman more easily than her.His best strength feat is moving a ship 16x the mass of earth under a red sun....
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I guess Superman>TOAA 🙄That's flawed.
If you are judging how strong the output of USA is, you don't judge it by what they used, you judge by what they are capable of. Just because she doesn't use it often does NOT mean you get to set aside her ability. What is even more ridiculous is that you even deduct point just because she doesn't use it often.Good! He is faster in terms of attack as shown which I did not deny, but her reaction is better as stated
trusting mcduffie's opinion 👇
Originally posted by khazraSo Gambit and Sabertooth have deflected Thousands of light speed particles flying in an omnidirectional attack pattern and not let one slip thru? This is what you are saying?
In matches between just them he's shown himself to be too fast for her. Outside of the zoom feat cap, sabretooth & gambit have feats comparable to her top speed feats. Slade has dodge superman more easily than her.His best strength feat is moving a ship 16x the mass of earth under a red sun....
Also Diana's reflexes are based upon perception of Danger to others. Her warrior instinct kicks in. Why am I debating with someone who thinks Sabertooth is as fast as A character who has the Speed of hermes?
Gambits blocked multimachine gun fire from multiple angles with his staff.
Sabretooth has dodge machine gun fire whilst blind after its been shot.
Cap has dodge lasers in zero gravity.
Outside of the zoom fights thats pretty much her fight speed.
So your saying that you are judging thor at his WM levels because its what he's capable of? Should superman be judged at sundipped levels too?
Id much rather judge characters as their normally presented.
ok, when was this? because i honestly don't remember it...
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Mcduffie is good. He gave superman really good feats against an energy moon and he had Superman fighting an amped Amazo at Crazy Speeds. He even showed us that Superman can resist Being drained at Flash like speeds with firestorm's powers.
the energy moon was a low showing. mcduffie even got the damned math wrong. his speed wasn't shown that well, imo, and he was put down by a single blast of red sun.
plus, he got the character terribly wrong.
Originally posted by khazrayou compare cap dodging lasers to THOUSANDS of Lightspeed projects being DEFLECTED? not at all the same or even the same. Actually almost tacky to even suggest.
Gambits blocked multimachine gun fire from multiple angles with his staff.
Sabretooth has dodge machine gun fire whilst blind after its been shot.
Cap has dodge lasers in zero gravity.Outside of the zoom fights thats pretty much her fight speed.
So your saying that you are judging thor at his WM levels because its what he's capable of? Should superman be judged at sundipped levels too?
Id much rather judge characters as their normally presented.superman #167
Originally posted by -Pr-How was it a low showing? We have no idea what Dark energy is composed of? He did the math wrong but we know the real math so we know what it really is. Superman also resist the red sun blast. how can you say it was a single blast when Amazo was operating at Flash plus Speeds? The narration clearly said Superman wasn't going down easy. He was fighting and resisting. How ever we feel about mcduffie, what he wrote is canon.
the energy moon was a low showing. mcduffie even got the damned math wrong. his speed wasn't shown that well, imo, and he was put down by a single blast of red sun.plus, he got the character terribly wrong.
So Gambit and Sabertooth have deflected Thousands of light speed particles flying in an omnidirectional attack pattern and not let one slip thru?
Originally posted by Zeuodin
How was it a low showing? We have no idea what Dark energy is composed of? He did the math wrong but we know the real math so we know what it really is. Superman also resist the red sun blast. how can you say it was a single blast when Amazo was operating at Flash plus Speeds? The narration clearly said Superman wasn't going down easy. He was fighting and resisting. How ever we feel about mcduffie, what he wrote is canon.
it's either a low showing or unquantifiable.
where did he resist it? he shot him once and superman went down, only to be fixed by zatanna later.
yes, canon, but still regarded as some of the weaker superman writing of the past few years.
Originally posted by khazra
superman #167
and where is the size stated? cos i read that issue, and i must have missed it...
Originally posted by khazra
You mean the OE? That doesnt travel at lightspeed, supermans flown away from it and he cant travel at lightspeed in earth's atmosphere because it would destroy it. And she was standingthere ready for it. Its like Slade tagging flash, it doesnt make him as fast as flash.
She's clearly moving far in excess of C. The pieces are literally coming in from around the universe and she's blocking and MOVING in the way of them all in a random pattern.
Originally posted by khazra
sorry i thought you meant blocking the OE.What suggests to you their moving at light speed? There not just light cause there making noise when they impact with her bracers.