Delta1938
True King of House of El
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Name a thread in the comics versus forum that isn't.None of us are dealing with serious graphic novel works like "Maus" here, after all.
Actually, THAT kind of fight, I'd expect Diana to win, not Kal.
I think, deep down, outside of PIS, most people would agree with that.
Absolute, must-win, put-opponent-down-with-finality ... ?
You're describing what Diana, not Kal, was trained to do from a young age.
NOT to the extent of the current DCnU Wonder Woman, mind you.
Pre-Flashpoint Wondy is not nearly so martial as the present incarnation.
But she's still inherently far more lethal than Kal.
I give Superman fight advantage under more ordinary, less serious circumstances, though.
Superman has far more of the claim to winning when it counts than Wonder Woman. Including a number of examples where Wonder Woman was there but not the one to save the day. No, Superman is not the one you want to get into a "saving the day when it most counts" contest, regardless of your opinion on Diana's training and upbringing compared to Clark's.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Like Superman in the engagement with Darkseid on Kara's behalf, or even Superman's engagement with Diana in Rucka's sacrifice,
Batman had the benefit of sunboosting before dropping the shoe.I actually don't mind overmuch if people want to post showings like that, but there should be some space devoted to explaining WHY things occur/occurred the way they do/did.
Batman with Superman's powers would be a relatively poor argument for Superman's sake, for instance, not just because Batman started off soaking up energy at the sun itself before engaging the JLA, but also because Batman, one of comicdom's greatest martial artists, is known for throwing arguably THE most effective punches relative to his strength level, of any hero around.
Of COURSE he's going to do major damage to Wonder Woman with his skill, newly suncharged strength, and Wonder Woman's lack of kryptonian-level invulnerability
It's worth pointing out, too, even with Clark's powers and Bruce expecting resistance from Earth's heroes, and being just come from the sun, he nearly got rocked by Wonder Woman's opening "greeting" ...
http://s228.photobucket.com/user/bluewaterrider/library/kmc?sort=3&page=1
(links to images of Superman/Batman #56, part 2 of the so-called "Superbat" storyline)
No, it's really an assumption that Superman was amped in SACRIFICE. There is some reason to believe it, but there's nothing conclusive, there's evidence against it, and apparently the writer says that's not in the script. But you're also wrong about SuperBat being amped in the team fight.
First off, SuperBat had been avoiding sunlight through the prior issue, Hell it even showed(although not highlighted) him avoiding sunlight in SUPERMAN/BATMAN #54 too. Anyways, he was weakened. Unless the writer forgot about Superman's protective aura, how else would Catwoman scratch his costume(although not him)?
Or Nightwing put-up something of a fight and effect SuperBat? I'm pretty sure Dick didn't have Bruce's jobber aura we see on occasion of him against Top-Tiers. In fact, SuperBat is surprised he felt Nightwing's first attack.
In fact, you look at when SuperBat asks Nightwing if he thought it would work, Nightwing brings-up Superman's powers are fueled by the Sun, and he's stayed in the dark, meaning he thought he'd have a chance. And, we see, he DID effect SuperBat, with Bruce stating surprise he felt the first attack, despite getting owned in the end.
