Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So alternate reality versions count now? 👆
Originally posted by -Pr-
And you think that he couldn't have possibly been speaking about solely in-universe, canon appearances in which at least one of the characters is in their right mind?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Those were the main universe characters. DC doesn't follows the same rules as marvel where changing the past creates an alternate reality. Everyone was the same, just their origins were changed.
He never specified. Anyway, Absolute Power is totally usable as it was the same wonder woman stated by Superman.
No, it really isn't, because it's not the same Superman that would be in this fight.
Originally posted by -Pr-
First of all, want to say welcome back to the three guys that were banned. While I do feel like the ban was justified, that doesn't mean we all can't move past this. At least, that would be my hope.Secondly, I'm going to clear up a few things about the mod stance on Sacrifice, and some of the rules of the board. First, I need to restate this:
Superman was mentally compromised. That alone is enough to rule out any argument that he was operating at even close to his best. The comic is very clear about this, and if that wasn't enough, then Rucka's interview in which he states Superman's lack of mental togetherness is the final nail in the coffin.
People like Carver might go on and on about it, but it doesn't change FACTS. Yes, FACTS.
The next point, is the one that I shouldn't have to bring up AT ALL. Characters with the same powers or powerset ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE. You cannot use examples of what Batman did with Superman's powers as an argument for Superman's sake. It should be common sense by now, but apparently I need to keep repeating myself.
As far as the whole "one-shot" thing goes? Don't be ridiculous. This isn't Superman operating at anything remotely close to his best. This is Superman on an average day, in an average mood, at his average power level being dropped in to a match with Diana. Do people actually read Superman comics? Or do you just see "Superman vs" and jump on it like some kind of deranged, starving zombie?
Stop lowballing. Diana's a herald.
The sad part? Superman doesn't NEED to one-shot her to win. He doesn't NEED to use examples from other characters using his own power. He has enough for himself, but that's not enough for some people, is it.
You have to take the Carver/Quan route and shit all over the opponent like they ran over your dog, or something. You're Superman fans; you're supposed to be BETTER THAN THAT.
Just be happy with him winning, ffs. That should be enough.
I will address the actual fight shortly, but I needed to get this post out first.
That sounds really pretty -Pr- and I agree with you in a lot of things, but seriously have you seen the Kurse threads?
He is "4 times" stronger than Thor, since Thor can destroy a planet, that transfers to Kurse too, even though Under his creator Thor was never displayed at that power level and that display of power level is not even average for Thor, but lets says that for the sake of the argument he is, then you bring feats of other heroes pulling 50 planetary masses and still Kurse is 4 times stronger. Even though Thor does cannot defeat a merged Hulk with pure strength, Still Kurse is 4 times stronger therefore he is 4 times stronger than any other HH.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That would be right but it is a fight which is countable in fights between Superman and Wonder Woman and it was totally onesided. I didn't say that Superman would do that against wonder woman HERE, did I?
So we're going around in circles now, are we?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That sounds really pretty -Pr- and I agree with you in a lot of things, but seriously have you seen the Kurse threads?He is "4 times" stronger than Thor, since Thor can destroy a planet, that transfers to Kurse too, even though Under his creator Thor was never displayed at that power level and that display of power level is not even average for Thor, but lets says that for the sake of the argument he is, then you bring feats of other heroes pulling 50 planetary masses and still Kurse is 4 times stronger. Even though Thor does cannot defeat a merged Hulk with pure strength, Still Kurse is 4 times stronger therefore he is 4 times stronger than any other HH.
That logic doesn't seem sound at all.
As for the rest of the thread IMO
Under average normal circumstances Superman will win, he has been portrayed by a lot of writers as physically superior and more than capable to handle Diana and or threats that Diana could not handle.
He is stronger relatively speaking if you compare a man of his size vs a woman of her size under normal circumstances.
The instance of Diana and Kal on Batman/ Superman comic is part of the NE universe and it was just an alternative timeline, it is canon for Superman and Diana as He know he killed HER. Writer made this clear at the end of the arc.
Both of them were trying to kill each other and when Superman ramp up the strength it was game over for Diana and Uncle Sam, who put a fight before Superman went all out.
Note: Diana could win at the percentage a Woman of her size will defeat a Man of his size under average portrayals
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
👆 I agree, maybe is just my english 🙂oh and I forgot, you are on ignore 😄
I meant the kurse logic. we still go by feats after all.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Lizard is wise to fear the RULER of The House of El!
me?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. We both say Superman wins here, disagree on the degree of difficulty for him.
Well yeah, I don't consider it the equivalent of some sort of rape.