Originally posted by carver9
Lol. What do you want to battlezone?
Don't play stupid homie.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Ya know what? You claim bullshit that I'm afraid to debate you. Let's do it somewhere that you have no chance of doing mental gymnastics to pin it in your head that you won. Le's take it to the Battlezone. I challenge you to two debates. This topic(Superman vs Wonder Woman, Pre-FLASHPOINT) and New Earth(Pre-FLASHPOINT) Superman's powers being dynamic. Will you have the balls JBL doesn't?
Oh look, even a girl is calling you out. Well, she can kick your ass, but, still. You gotta pretend to have some pride and balls. sneer
Originally posted by carver9
Why would I battlezone Diana vs Superman when we are currently debating in a WW vs Superman thread? Debate the topic here.
Don't play dumb homie. I want judges so you KNOW you lost and can't use your mental gymnastics. Don't be scared homie. Or I'll send Ronda to kick your ass.
Originally posted by carver9
I believed you received a PM but it's ok. No Herald can kill WW in less than a minute. I don't think trans tier characters can do that either.
Well I really don't care if you believe it or not. One think is for sure Delta does not need cheerleaders.
In any case believe that IF Superman wants to kill Wonder Woman in less than a minute, he can. It was shown in sacrifice the fight that you use so much as a lowballing flag for superman. Have you even read the comic?... on a second thought that is a stupid question because it does not really matter if you read it or not, you probably didn't get it.
But let me guide trough and you can re check this if you want.
In the first minute of the sacrifice fight, superman wanted to kill Dd, that is up to the part where he decided to make dd SUFFER, not killing but SUFFER.
Before Superman punched diana to the sun (in less than a minute) the sun was on dianas back, right when superman punched diana the sun moved behind superman.
So it is not a matter if you believe it or not. Superman can kill wonder woman in less than a minute, he is that powerful, is one of the "heralds" that can do that also how many heralds you know that can push braniacs ships and lift solar system busters black holes with one hand?
Because of this and many other feats I laugh at the notion that dc strength levels are the same as marvel strength levels is like saying that DC cosmic hierarchy is coller than Marvel's cosmic hierarchy.
Anyhow, you need scans again of how superman almost killed ww in less than a minute while I explain each panel to you?
I would like to see a scan of Superman saying he wasn't holding back against BA and that BA was holding back. If it's the fight I'm thinking about that happened in Metropolis in a comic from many years ago then I'm pretty sure he was holding back up until the end. At the end, I remember a civilian being nearly killed because of BA's actions and Superman getting very angry at BA. BA saw the anger in Superman's eyes and knew he was about to let loose on him. BA didn't want to fight an enraged Superman. So when Superman came at him BA turned his back on him and put his arms in the air as if conceding and letting Clark know he wouldn't fight him any longer. He knew Superman would not hit someone who wouldn't fight him and he made a wise move it turns out because Superman stopped his charge just at the last moment. Superman told him he did the right thing because that last punch would've broke the moon in half or something similar. So, if that's the fight the guy's referring to I don't see hopw in the hell that proves BA is superior to Superman. Superman was holding back like he nearly always does until the end. BA did not fight a Superman who was going all out. At least, not on that occasion.
I have been coming in and out of this thread and have been reading a lot of post. Just wondering, I see a lot of arguments going on against Carver and want to know what exactly happened? Is it due to Carvers stance on the victor of this thread? Or did he make a bizarre claim? There are so many pages on this thread that I don't feel like fully back tracking. Just wondering what's going on.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well I really don't care if you believe it or not.
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Really? You respond to a lot of things you don't care about?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
One thin[g] is for sure ... Delta does not need cheerleaders.
Indeed.
He might be better served to issue his challenges via private messaging.
I'll be surprised if Pr doesn't say something to him if he keeps posting the way he's been going on for the last two pages or so.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
In any case believe that IF Superman wants to kill Wonder Woman in less than a minute, he can. It was shown in sacrifice the fight that you use so much as a lowballing flag for superman.
The reverse was shown as well. In fact, if we're going by Sacrifice, Wonder Woman can kill Superman even faster, even after being punched millions of miles away, choked, burned, frozen, down to the use of one strong hand, and with scarcely more than a flick of her wrist.
Assuming she's wearing her standard outfit, at least.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
In the first minute of the sacrifice fight, superman wanted to kill Dd, that is up to the part where he decided to make dd SUFFER, not killing but SUFFER.
There is no mention of that in the issue in which the actual fight takes place.
And Greg Rucka, in an interview which Pr confirmed as legit, himself says that Superman was going all out, trying to kill Doomsday, period.
What you're talking about is a follow up issue where Superman relates untrustworthy memories to Lois. Interestingly, people who want to take that issue as gospel seldom relate that Superman himself thinks "I can't even save myself", as he finds his throat being slashed open by Wondy's tiara.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Before Superman punched diana to the sun (in less than a minute) the sun was on dianas back, right when superman punched diana the sun moved behind superman.Anyhow, you need scans again of how superman almost killed ww in less than a minute while I explain each panel to you?
Your skill with images is impressive, Salsa.
Rightly did I praise you for them.
However, what you're saying doesn't make sense in the context of the scene, and certainly not, if we want to adopt Delta's supposed "real life" stance, going by common sense logic.
If you're of the mind that Superman flew Diana to the sun, and you've said you are, then you're assuming Superman was flying with Diana at the rate of several million miles per second.
That's a LOT of forward momentum.
We're shown Superman lose his grip as he is turned aside by Diana's eye gouge;
presumably he gets doubled over by a quick strike to the groin or something similar in the process.
He was traveling like a rocket a millisecond before that gouge and presumed strike and during it at the rate of several million miles a second.
Does it make sense to assume he just stopped dead in his tracks at that point, or that he kept going aways?
No matter how much you protest, the only that makes good sense is the latter; that the momentum of several million miles per second thrust kept him going for at least a few yards past Diana. And his target was the sun. So he's closer to the sun than she was.
So the position when she then rushes him is:
Earth --> Diana --> Superman --> Sun
... and when he punches her with all his might sending her back from the direction she came, it's:
Earth <-- Diana <-- Superman <-- Sun.
Which is exactly what we see.
And, more importantly, the thing that actually makes good common sense.
In fact, to speed Delta's own reply to this thread, we can illustrate in "real life" human terms what happens when an attacker, barreling forward, is turned aside from their rush.
They DON'T just stop dead in their tracks:
The only way she can possibly "hang" with him is if he's holding back even more than he usually does and she's going all-out. Even then, she'd be lucky to get 1/10 against him. It's more likely that that scenario would just mean the fight lasts more than a few panels... and I'm sorry but there's no way she's getting the lasso around him considering he's much faster than her. That's also one of the main reasons why her superior fighting skills won't get her any wins either. Being a more skilled fighter doesn't do much good against someone who's immensely more powerful.
Black Adam can hang with him. Captain Marvel can hang with him. Thor can hang with him. Silver Surfer can hang (and probably win more often than not) with him. But, Wonder Woman? Only if he's holding back more than usual.
I'd be interested in seeing how much people think it takes to knock Superman out.
Certainly it doesn't take more than Wondy has to bloody Clark,
or knock him away ... as a herald of lesser caliber than Diana herself proved:
Source: Justice Society of America #13, Volume 3
Writer: Geoff Johns
Pencillers: Dale Eaglesham & Alex Ross
Date: February 2008